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Speaking of Cicero, is the 54A still being discontinued? I'd hate to see the only way to Old Orchard being taken away. đ
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Why canât kimball yard do like the blue line and keep 2600s and 3200s separate, when the 2600s are sent to kimball yard, theyâre sent in consists of 4 cars, sometimes 8 cars. Have one side of the yard 2600s and the other side 3200s. With the brown line getting 50 more 2600s that puts it at 72 2600s and 102 3200s. Thatâs 9 8 car 2600s and 12 8 car 3200s. Only run 2600s during rush period and sit them at the garage at off peak times.
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The school opened before the station did, which is perhaps an example of failure to plan for transit before construction, but not what you described. According to the Will County Supervisor of Assessments, your claim that "all the land around the station is state owned" is false.
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The sole reason the 53 Pulaski doesn't go north of Peterson were the grade crossings at Granville/Pulaski & at Devon/Springfield of the C&NW's Evanston/Mayfair cutoff. Those two grade crossings have been gone for almost 25 years & yet the CTA has apparently never even though of extending the 53 to Devon/Kedzie, to at least give part of Devon from McCormick west to Pulaski service, since they long ago canceled the 155A. Even doing every other 53 to Devon/Kedzie would be a vast improvement! And I totally agree with extending the 54 Cicero to Devon.
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There's a far bigger problem with the University park station & Governor's State U. The university is not near the station, even though all the land around the station is state owned land. What dimbulb thought putting the school a long distance from the station was a good idea? When I was there 25 years ago, it was a long & bizarre bus ride to & from the school to the station.
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Years ago Humboldt Park had an L toutw. It encompassed part of the Blue Line but after Damen it ran south on Paulina over to Van Buren, then into the Loop. I believe that was shut down when the Congress/Douglas/Milwaukee subway to Logan Square and Kimball was built. If you ride the Green or Pink Line you will see a standalone bridge over the UP/MD tracks. That bridge is the last remnant of the Humboldt Park route. There used to be pillars you could see when the Blue Line descended into the subway between Damen and Division, but those are gone. Like I said before, CTA missed an opportunity to somewhat bring back Humboldt Park service by building a route on what is now the 606 trail . The current California portion of the 52 is 3/4 mile from Kimball as opposed to 1/4 mile between Kedzie and Kimball. By moving the California portion to Kedzie, you create a 1 mile gap between Western and Kedzie. California fills that gap. The 53 doesn't need to serve the Orange Line. If serves Pink and Blue .
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The *new* 52 Kedzie route should operate from 63rd to Logan Square Blue Line station, at least during rush periods, since terminating at Chicago doesn't even give a connection to nearby Metra trains! Is it really that hard to have buses run on Kedzie's boulevard section? Is that why the 89 route failed? Someone said it would be too close to the 82, while that is true, the 52 in itself is close to Kimball for a majority of the route, this even makes me question why it has been called Kedzie/California in the first place, considering it barely runs on California. Also, California Blue Line station is always crowded, so I really hope people will be willing to use the Green Line instead, though the gap is kind of big. This also makes me wonder why Humboldt Park (and many many other Chicago neighborhoods) lack rapid transit. Oh well, it's not like the city can afford to extend any lines anytime soon. Someone also said that 52 & 52A should be merged into one route, while I agree, it'd be too long but we do have Ashland so it might work. If that were to happen maybe CTA can finally have Pulaski run from Devon to at least the Orange Line. This is one thing in the system that really frustrates me because, why have 53 terminate at 31st (not serving Orange Line) while 52A duplicates 52 and serves the Orange Line? This THEN ALSO makes me think about how Cicero terminates at Montrose & not Devon. CTA really needs to reevaluate their routes. A lot of routes go too beyond the city limits, and some terminate to far away from the city limits. Oh, and the 157 should be renamed Ogden/Taylor. Why name a route after a neighborhood? And it should be extended to Cicero, I said what I said! Lol
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I'm not against it either, under the condition the available number of cars for both lines somehow increases. What bothered me about the Green Line when I rode it on a regular basis was that 6 car trains just didn't seem to be enough during rush hour. Although I never regularly rode the Pink Line, from what I've heard the same seems to apply to their 4 car trains. I completely agree with the points you bring up, however one thing I remember is that when the 2400s started appearing on the Red Line before they ended their service lives on the Orange Line, they were mixed in with the 2600s. Maybe mechanical reliability wasn't expected to be as big of an issue with the somewhat newer 2400s (compared to the 2200s), but since we are talking about the busy Red Line, I would still expect it to be important. Or some other factor I didn't think about had led to mixed consists.
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The goal isnât necessarily as simple as âbuild sidewalks on every street within 1/2 mile to boost ridershipâ. Rather, they want to fill in gaps between the station and popular destinations. For example, University Park is listed as a high opportunity station. The main attraction there is Governors State University, which already has a path to the edge of the campus near the station. It would not be difficult or expensive to install a crosswalk and a walkway that connects the existing path with the station entrance. Another consideration is, as you noted, potential future developments which should be designed to minimize car dependency. Thereâs also a social justice aspect, as the sidewalks would increase independence for people who cannot easily access cars due to low income, age, disabilities, etc.
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Most definitely agree with you bro cuz as we all seen in the last few years blue line was having alot of breakdowns
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Yea they are
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it used to be like that with 1000 but they fixed it they keeping 1000 in VERY good shape
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Yeah it's true Ravenswood does mix their consists. The way they work is very different than the Blue Line however because of the line's needs. Brown Line is a much less heavy line in contrast to the Blue Line. They don't have to worry about constant failures because the railcars don't take much of a beating. The Blue Line's goal is to strategically make the trains break down less and cause less delays, since it's a very heavy line.
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Too bad RTA didn't order the New Flyers that Pace ordered. The RTA might have been able to order enough for Pace and CTA. I think the 8000s and 9600s is the only order RTA ever made for CTA and the suburban agencies simultaneously. Also unfortunate that Pace didn't add any options that it could use itself or transfer to CTA.
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I understand what you are saying. But I have personally seen a mixed consist on the Brown Line, although it was 6 3200s and 2 2600s (3457/8 weren't in this consist). Because of the lack of space in Kimball Yard. they may not be able to make 2600s belly cars, but I still won't be surprised to see some more mixed consists there. It is different in that the 2200s weren't ADA accessible so each 3200 series pair had to have a 2600 series pair coupled with them.
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That's a bad idea and something Blue Line supervision does not want to do because in the event of a 2600 in that consist breaking down, there's no point in having 3200s on the Blue if they're not running by themselves. Keep the two fleets separate!
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CMAP Regional Sidewalk Inventory
artthouwill replied to Pace831's topic in Regional Transit Planning
A lot of suburban stations have ample parking. Also, a lot of stations are in the downtown area of the suburbs while other (the Highlands on the BNSF) are kind of neighborhood stops. If the neighborhood doesn't have sidewalks, apparently the people in the neighborhood are okay with that. I get that possibly some of the suburbs have major streets without sidewalks limiting safe access to buses and trains. A lot of the Metra stations I've seen on the majority of Metea Lines have good sidewalk access. I just don't think that building sidewalks out to 1/2 miles of every station that is deemed inaccessible will somehow increase ridership significantly. The majority of Metra riders drive to their stations ( or taxi, Uber, or get a ride) with others linking by Pace. When building new housing near a train station, municipalities and builders should incorporate sidewalks to access the station. One glaring example to support that is the O'Hare Transfer Station. The City didn't consider linking the station to the Consolidated Rental Facility and ATS station (although I think that's being rectified). Outside of that. I believe there are other factors besides sidewalks. -
So youâre using one personal anecdote as âproofâ that the correlation between sidewalks and transit use is imaginary? There are other influences affecting ridership on the MED (by which I assume you mean the in-city segment), allegedly including expensive fares, preference for buses, outdated system, personal safety concerns, etc. All of these deterrents combined can easily overcome the relative advantage of a sidewalk. Youâll note the report generally names city stations as having the least opportunities for investment in sidewalks. The issues described are mainly in the suburbs, where traffic volume and speed are the main deterrents to walking.
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CMAP Regional Sidewalk Inventory
artthouwill replied to Pace831's topic in Regional Transit Planning
Supposedly, there's a correlation between sidewalks and transit use. If there were more sidewalks closer to the Metra stations. people would be more inclined to walk to those stations. Hogwash. With no sidewalks (unless I took the long way), I walked to the Belmont station on the BNSF. Though Belmont had sidewalks. it was quicker for me to cut through the residential streets. Sidewalk access isn't helping the MED. -
I would think the game plan would be to make the 2600s belly cars with the 3200s on the ends, similar to what the Blue Line did with the 2200s. Plus, if you make the Brown Line 5000s (which they won't), you would also have to make the Orange Line 5000s. The Pink and Green 5000s don't have enough cars to swap with Brown and Orange. While Brown is a busier Line passenger wise, the 2600s would be doing more work on the Pink and Green Lines. Brown can ru some 2600 series consists during Rush hour only, giving those cars ample rest during midday. Nights, and weekends, which couldn't happen on Pink or Green.
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This may be a dumb question, but if need be couldn't the roof boards just be removed? Didn't some cars already have them removed? I've heard they're looking at a contract for ~300 new diesel buses, which would replace the 6400s and the oldest of the 1000s. Not to mention upcoming electric test orders that are almost certain to happen.
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That seems like the logical thing to do, send all of the green and pink lines 5000s to the brown line and make green and pink all 2600s. The busier line deserves the newest cars. Put every 3200 with the exception of 3441-3458 on the blue line since thatâs the second busiest line. People forget the brown line is the third busiest line in the system. Idk why pink and green line got 5000s in the first place, with them being longitudinal seating you would put those cars on the two busiest lines. If the blue lines infrastructure was better quality, the CTA shouldâve made red and blue all 5000s and still left the brown line all 3200s, orange 3200s and 2600s and pink, green, purple and yellow with 2600s.
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Right they is light compared to blue red & brown just gotta see where it all goes
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I wouldnt be against it since green and pink are light lines. Red would still have 5000s so it wouldnt be all ran down
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