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Another advantage is they give people on this forum something to argue about.
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It's interesting that I can't find the original news articles for either of those, as it's my understanding that Mass Transit Mag just regurgitates other newspapers' transit articles
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When I was a child I'd always be happy about seeing Thermo King on the roof
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Flyers are competing with the 6400’s I love my flyers
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Gary Public Transit GPTC's fleet
RTS Bus Fan replied to TMC-RTS-08's topic in General Transit Discussion
One correction...NIRPC never owned the Opus Low-Floor buses used by GPTC. There was no decal by the door. -
They have the best A/Cs in the entire fleet in my opinion.
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Progress is moving forward! They are set to start building the first prototypes soon, with the first 10 cars being completed by the end of the year.
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The mask has come off! Look at what Uber states in its initial public offering document. [url=https://jalopnik.com/uber-finally-admits-its-directly-competing-with-publi-1834009027]Jalopnik[/url] [url=https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/25/tech/uber-public-transportation/index.html]C N N {!}[/url] [url=https://48hills.org/2019/05/ubers-plans-include-attacking-public-transit/]48 Hills [San Francisco][/url] [url=https://prospect.org/article/ridesharing-versus-public-transit]Prospect .org[/url] Uber (& by extension, Lyft) are attacking public transportation. If I can temporarily set to abeyance the element about persons earning lower income being crumpled by increasing 'rideshare' operations; what would happen if public transportation ceased operation on the routes where rideshare operators literally and physically slowed down the operation of transit vehicles on that avenue and at that time? I believe more single (or dual) occupancy vehicles is not a valid transit alternative. In Chicago's case, the Authority should bellow, "Riding a #22 Clark bus costs $2.25 regardless of when and where you board it. Can Uber or Lyft give a more definitive price on what it will cost at a specific time of day {or night}?"
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One 'advantage' the old, junky Novas have is, as I (and you) can read on this forum, their air conditioning almost always works. So perhaps the Authority does not want to retire these buses this soon.
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Thanks! Also hope to see you more active on here when possible.
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Not necessarily but we'll find out
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I'm actually not sure the electric buses will be a total replacement either. I'm not saying the fleet has to make up the exact difference, but there would still be about a 10 bus difference. Also, there's no guarantee Chicago, or eventually 74th, would give up buses or that they would even go to FG when the Proterras come in, its not like the garages are bursting at the seams afaik. Happy to be wrong though.
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We have Electric buses coming in 3 months so that will get rid of some 6400’s because Chicago will get electric and another garage so that means those 2 garages will send FG flyers to replace the 6400’s you get the pattern?
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To add on to @YoungBusLover, CTA still needs some of these buses, to some extent. The 7900s were not a blanket replacement for the 6400s (iirc, there is a ~35 bus difference in favor of the 6400s). I suspect we won't truly be rid of them until the next order of buses comes in.
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That's 6360 they wrapped, and I hope to see it and even better, ride it soon!
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There's a budgeted order for 50 units and an option for 50 more, with the purpose of replacing the last of the 6400s. No clue on when this purchase is supposed to be executed, but it is planned by CTA.
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If it were that simple the CTA would have done it a long time ago but its not.
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Why is this retirement taking so long? CTA has enough new flyer 1000s and nova 7900s to where buses can be swapped and moved around to retire the old novas. I’m pretty sure every garage has about 15-20 flyers they can send to FG and pull the old novas out of service. I hope one day the old novas fall apart on route like the Nabis did that way CTA has to be forced to pull them out of service. Is it going to hurt to up and pull every nova 6400 out of service? It’s only like 80 buses left.
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West Division finally wrapped one of their El Dorados! I caught it on the 301 minutes ago but unfortunately since I was driving on Roosevelt I only got a glance of it and couldn't see the bus number. Be on the lookout for it!
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If I ran Transit for one day...
MetroShadow replied to TripleTransit1's topic in General Transit Discussion
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Thinking about the 6400 situation at FG, it reminded me of when WMATA did something similar with their Metrobus Virginia operations. Important to note, while CTA routes tend to be longer than WMATA ones, WMATA has a much bigger service area (almost 3 times the size if my rough calculations were correct) Years ago (before 2008, I believe), WMATA had three VA garages, Four Mile Run (F), Arlington (A) and Royal Street (R) (which are all about as close together as 74th, 77th & 103rd). Together, these garages served every Metrobus route in VA and they were all served exclusively by Orion VIIs. Now, the Orion VIIs Metrobus had weren't that old, certainly not as old as CTA's 6400s, but bar a small amount based out of Bladensburg (B), the only other CNG garage in the system in DC, every single Orion VII would serve in VA. Some might make it out, only to get sent right back next pick. This was the system for quite a while; things didn't change until 2008, when Arlington closed and West Ox (V) opened (think closing Chicago and then opening a garage out in Downers Grove). Still, the Orion VII dominance, persisted; it wasn't until some people in DC got fed up with how the DE35LFA's were allocated that they got sent to West Ox and Shepard Pkwy (DC garage that deals with a lot of small, windy, neighborhood routes). This became the system, from about 2008-2014. Meanwhile, older Orion VIIs in DC got sent to VA as WMATA had the C40LFs rehabbed and Orion Vs started the retirement process. Around 2015-2017, the C40LFs and some Orion VIIs are replaced with XN40s. This is about where CTA is with the 6400s, as not all of the Orion VIIs are gone. They've been consolidated between Bladensburg and the last original VA garage, Four Mile Run. Royal Street closed in 2014 and it's replacement, Cinder Bed Rd opened this year (think closing 103rd and opening a a garage in Homewood or Flossmoor. Funnily enough, the Orion Vs were being retired during this time, the only ones left were at garages with heavy maintenance shops, Bladensburg & Landover, until after a while, a bunch got reactivated and sent to Cinder Bed Rd. Cue complaints about VA having the oldest buses in the fleet (nevermind that some of the Orion VIIs were being replaced with fresh out the shops XN40s). For posterity, here are the buses in VA as of this point in time (circa 2016-2017ish) DE35LFA / West Ox (VA), Shepard Pkwy (DC) / 8-9 years old Orion VII (35ft/40ft) / Four Mile Run (VA), Bladensburg (DC) / 10-12 years old Orion V / Cinder Bed Rd (VA), Bladensburg (DC), Landover (MD) / 16-17 years old Now, in modern times, more XN40s have come, and WMATA has also been able to expand the fleet in general, and also make some managerial decisions to alleviate concerns: A significant amount of MD buses, primarily DE40LFAs and a few XDE40s, from Landover & Montgomery garages, got relocated to West Ox and/or Cinder Bed Rd Shepard Pkwy, a DC garage, is located fairly close to where the southern portion of the Beltway crosses from MD into VA and vice versa. Some VA routes that end/begin near the Beltway on the VA side got transferred there. Metroway (our BRT) was even even run from here temporarily). Shepard Pkwy has Xcelsiors (both 40 & 60 ft), some of the last NABIs ever made and older Restyled BRT flyers. The relocation of garages in VA. Before 2008, all 3 VA garages were located fairly close to DC and urban centers in VA, but WMATA routes ran much farther than that. Aside from cheaper land, WMATA was able to dramatically reduce deadhead costs, as many routes were/are peak-directional, and would now end near a garage instead of having to return half of the way back. 4MR is still centrally located, but Cinder Bed Rd & West Ox (a weekday only garage incidentally) are at the far end of WMATA's service area, making it easier to dispatch and accept buses. Eventually, the 6400s will be gone (or maybe even moved to 77th) and then we'll speculate on what'll replace the 1000s, which I do believe is the largest single order of buses in the US, except maybe something from NY? It'll be interesting to see if we get 1000 of the same bus or many different manufacturers (especially since CTA will put out a bid that all 4 manufacturers can bid on) Thanks for coming to my TED talk!
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Gary Public Transportation Corporation
RTS Bus Fan replied to andrethebusman's topic in General Transit Discussion
Unfortunately no. They were after I was let go from the company. - Last week
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1197 and 98 were from 77th 👍🏽👍🏽
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Gary Public Transportation Corporation
andrethebusman replied to andrethebusman's topic in General Transit Discussion
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1052-1053 103rd>K 1054-1055 103rd>C 1197-1198 103rd>K 1791-1792 FG>NP 1800 FG 1801-1803 FG>C
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