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  1. Pace Bus Moves

    Well this is odd....6708 on a shuttle bug???
  2. What's Left for Pace's Orion VI's 6000s?

    Like Garmon said, they're not going away real soon, but they might be out of service by Thanksgiving at the rate the 6700s and the 17500s are coming out.
  3. Pace Bus Moves

    My question is does ridership demand 40 footers on the Shuttle bugs (outside of Allstate)? I'm curious as to why more 2600s aren't up there? I do see some 40 foot Nabis on some of those routes so I didn't know if the demand was there for them. I can't see 6262s heading to North to replace the 6600s unless it's for school runs, which some 6200s run those routes normally, unless demand is higher. The 6262s are coming up on 12 years old and even though the magic number is 13, Pace could be accelerating retirement of NABIs as a whole and replacing the entire fleet with El Dorado sooner than later.
  4. New Eldorados?

    They aren't gone yet. 6183, 6192, and 6194 are out right now on Webwatch as far as the early Nabis.
  5. Pace Bus Moves

    Sounds like NS is dumping their white wrapped Nabis at the very least to make room for the 6700s and allows West to lose the Orions for good. The blue ones may also head to West if needed once South finishes dumping the remaining ones they have. 6262 is out today on #215, which to me is a surprise if the above pans out. There are no Orions out today at West; a bunch of 6600s are out instead. Meaning the 6600s aren't going anywhere anytime soon, but the Orions are probably heading for retirement by the end of this month.
  6. New Eldorados?

    Well some of the white wrapped ones have already been moved to West. Maybe the blue ones follow?
  7. Random Pace

    Growing popularity would be my guess on these routes.
  8. New Eldorados?

    Wouldn't it be wild if 2696 ended up at North? Start a trend of taking out the 6600s eventually? They'll have to retire at some point, but there's no sensible replacement for them right now. I doubt that move happens, but Pace is unconventional so who knows?
  9. And that's the thing, if the bus operators are not using it, then that's on Pace for letting them get away with it. I don't see any logical reason to terminate the end routes for these buses away from the mall other than the fact there some sort of issue with the pavement and it's costing them money. Now, publicly, the real reason isn't given. But more malls are starting to stop these buses from staying in the malls for extended periods of time for various reasons. As far as the concrete payment making it harder for passengers to board when the buses are idle, nothing to do with the pavement. I think the drivers sit in a certain spot, let everyone off, and lock the doors when they leave for fear of passengers getting on without paying among other reasons. Not saying that's truth, just my two cents.
  10. Hmmm, I hadn't been up there in a while and I remembered that Westfield owned Old Orchard, thought they owned Golf Mill too. I do remember the buses that the buses were right by the JCPenney entrance, don't know if that's still the case. That is to prevent passengers getting on the bus while the bus drivers went inside the mall for bathroom breaks and eating. I gotta believe that the mall operators complained in some sort of fashion.
  11. So these buses will still serve the bus stop by the Sears entrance, they just won't terminate there? Basically the same as Yorktown Mall? "To Improve The Traffic Flow Of Orland Square Mall". No, these mall operators don't want any of their buses on their property standing because they tear up the pavement. Woodfield Mall in Schaumburg has been that way for many years, to which I assume the reason for the NW Transportation Center being built, which has been there as long as I've been in Chicago (at least 17 years) if not longer. If these mall operators had their way, none of the buses would enter malls at all. But that isn't feasible without a public outcry (like Yorktown was) due to the walking distance to most of these malls. I'll say it again, I still don't understand why the bus operators can't turn off the buses when they terminate at public places such as malls, like Seattle did. Especially if you're going to be there longer than 15 minutes. Or Pace needs to work with some of these villages and build some sort of turnaround area near the mall. This is nothing more than the same concept as Downers Grove at Branding/Finley. Golf Mills Mall could be next, Westfield owns that mall too, last I remember. I guess none of these malls are big enough to go underground like Mall of America
  12. What's Left for Pace's Orion VI's 6000s?

    It's rush hour and at this point, there are no Orions showing up at NW on Webwatch on any it's routes. Sounds like R.I.P. at NW.
  13. What's Left for Pace's Orion VI's 6000s?

    As of right now, only the following Orions are at West currently running: 6041, 6058, 6067, 6099, 6103, 6125, 6132, 6156-6158. And the majority of these buses are on lighter routes so that's a telling sign also. Remember when route 301 (and the previous 747) were loaded with Orions back in the day? None are there at this moment. No sign of 6159-6161 as of now either. Rush hour could change things.
  14. Pace Bus Moves

    #6240 is at West too now.
  15. Pace Bus Moves

    Unless rush hour shows anything different, the only 2006 Nabis still showing up on Webwatch at South are 6274, 6317, and 6318. So it sounds to me that the priority is to send 06 Nabis back to West first as more 17500s show up. After that, the 6162s that are at South can either head to West or retire. I don't envision them heading anywhere else.
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