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The one thing to add to this swapping speculation is that the buses at the outdoor "garages" are supposed to get battery boost capacitors, which would limit what you could swap into or out of those two. (Reference)

Possibly true for the short-term. After reading the link, I got the impression that the kits would ultimately be installed in additional buses at other garages as well; the 460 buses at North Park and Forest Glen would be done first.

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Possibly true for the short-term. After reading the link, I got the impression that the kits would ultimately be installed in additional buses at other garages as well; the 460 buses at North Park and Forest Glen would be done first.

Come to think of it, the total fleet size of North Park and Forest Glen combined is about 525. So I guess not every bus at those two barns would get the capacitors initially.

My hunch is that the intent is to skip installation in the 6000s --- which leads me to believe that by the time they're installed, FG will have about 65 of the Flxibles remaining in its fleet as opposed to slightly over 100 at present. Could a swap with Archer be in the cards? I wouldn't be surprised.

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Come to think of it, the total fleet size of North Park and Forest Glen combined is about 525. So I guess not every bus at those two barns wouldn't get the capacitors initially.
The hybrids are unlikely, given the different kind of battery pack. That might make up the difference.

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I live around 103rd routes and I'm glad that 103rd got some High floors back, they should've kept the 6000s that they had since Novas came in service at 2001 in the first place. But I'm tired of this Bus moves.

But yes, Archer and Glen does need some Flyers badly, Return Novas to Chicago Ave for Flyers and trade NP-Flyers for Glen-Novas.

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I live around 103rd routes and I'm glad that 103rd got some High floors back, they should've kept the 6000s that they had since Novas came in service at 2001 in the first place. But I'm tired of this Bus moves.

But yes, Archer and Glen does need some Flyers badly, Return Novas to Chicago Ave for Flyers and trade NP-Flyers for Glen-Novas.

I vote for zero bus moves. Keep em where they are until they fall apart, then replace them in order as they fall apart....no more silly swaps for the sake of silly swaps !!!!!!!!!!!

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I vote for zero bus moves. Keep em where they are until they fall apart, then replace them in order as they fall apart....no more silly swaps for the sake of silly swaps !!!!!!!!!!!

I second that vote.

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Send all the Chicago flyers to fg. So we can get the 6000s from fg.

Or why not transfer to FG. It's much cheaper than another wasteful bus swap. ;)

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Or why not transfer to FG. It's much cheaper than another wasteful bus swap. ;)

Because we cant do that to we have a pick to move, Also fg puts 25 to 30 mins more to drive to work! How about that!

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Because we cant do that to we have a pick to move, Also fg puts 25 to 30 mins more to drive to work! How about that!

Then looks like your stuck with those big bad NFs.

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...but I'd vote for no more bus moves (at least until the July Artics come in).
The parenthetical phrase is the essence of it. The 58 are probably on the 150's heels, and then there are the state capital bill 175 to 200 or so, probably for the purpose originally indicated for the 150.

While there was speculation when the 80 6000s were transferred from 74 to K and C that they were placeholders for 4000s, that wasn't the case. No one figures that the predominant garages to get 4000s will be 74th and FG, although I did make an argument for sending some there.

Nonetheless, the trading of 1000s for other 1000s makes little sense.

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If only u drove them............

Maybe you should be specific of your complaints, same as we asked of pace2322 who said NABIs were junk. I know you mentioned the wheel wells leaking. If the drivers spoke up, we could avoid taxpayer debacles like the 7500 series NABIs.

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Maybe you should be specific of your complaints, same as we asked of pace2322 who said NABIs were junk. I know you mentioned the wheel wells leaking. If the drivers spoke up, we could avoid taxpayer debacles like the 7500 series NABIs.

On that I can agree. Give specific complaints instead of just repeating over and over 'this bus is junk' or 'you don't know because you don't drive them' so that I and other taxpayers can be assured we don't get another NABI 7500 spectacle. Also a more specific complaint would be appreciated given other operators have not given many such complaints driving a 1000 series NF. Otherwise, I'm going to be of the impression that these are complaints from an operator upset that he has to now drive a model bus that replaced a retired one that he did like driving, in light of a comment you made months ago to a statement I made that learning new equipment was the nature of your job if I and the rest of the riding public is supposed to have reasonable confidence that you know what you're doing behind the wheel regardless of model. I say reasonable confidence because the NABI spectacle shows that you could still be in an unsafe vehicle despite how much experience the operator has.

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On that I can agree. Give specific complaints instead of just repeating over and over 'this bus is junk' or 'you don't know because you don't drive them' so that I and other taxpayers can be assured we don't get another NABI 7500 spectacle. Also a more specific complaint would be appreciated given other operators have not given many such complaints driving a 1000 series NF. Otherwise, I'm going to be of the impression that these are complaints from an operator upset that he has to now drive a model bus that replaced a retired one that he did like driving, in light of a comment you made months ago to a statement I made that learning new equipment was the nature of your job if I and the rest of the riding public is supposed to have reasonable confidence that you know what you're doing behind the wheel regardless of model. I say reasonable confidence because the NABI spectacle shows that you could still be in an unsafe vehicle despite how much experience the operator has.

I'm sure every driver has a preference for what make/model vehicle they want to drive. A professional driver can drive any vehicle. For a long time I wanted to drive MCIs because I was most familiar with those coaches. I was scared when I first drove a Prevost H3 - 45, but once I got accustomed to it, I actually PREFERRED driving those to the MCIs. I drove Vanhools and Setras before (not a big fan of either) and I have driven Eagles (those were nice). I absolutely hated Dinas. To me, those were junk. They felt cheaply put together. I am amazed that there are still a couple on the road.

As far as transits, I do like NF as well as the RTS. Never drove a Nova or NABI or Flx. I did like the GMC fishbowls.

It is a bit different with coaches in that most coach companies assign drivers the same vehicles.

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I'm sure every driver has a preference for what make/model vehicle they want to drive. A professional driver can drive any vehicle. For a long time I wanted to drive MCIs because I was most familiar with those coaches. I was scared when I first drove a Prevost H3 - 45, but once I got accustomed to it, I actually PREFERRED driving those to the MCIs. I drove Vanhools and Setras before (not a big fan of either) and I have driven Eagles (those were nice). I absolutely hated Dinas. To me, those were junk. They felt cheaply put together. I am amazed that there are still a couple on the road.

As far as transits, I do like NF as well as the RTS. Never drove a Nova or NABI or Flx. I did like the GMC fishbowls.

It is a bit different with coaches in that most coach companies assign drivers the same vehicles.

I'm not knocking anyone having a preference, but when it gets to the point of an attitude of not wanting to get used to a particular model that does become an issue because regardless of a driver's preference the riding public still needs to have confidence in his capability. That's why I'm inclined to agree with the point of asking for specific complaints so that there can be confidence that CTA isn't getting another lemon (I'm doubting here given NF's track record compared to NABI).

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1627 showing up on the 145 so apparently there were some minor moves from NP to K.

Yes- 1621-1629 odds to join their even twins (1622-1628 evens) transfered a while ago from 03.

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Yes- 1621-1629 odds to join their even twins (1622-1628 evens) transfered a while ago from 03.

Thanks. That answers my other question I forgot to ask regarding what went from NP to K.

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I'm not knocking anyone having a preference, but when it gets to the point of an attitude of not wanting to get used to a particular model that does become an issue because regardless of a driver's preference the riding public still needs to have confidence in his capability. That's why I'm inclined to agree with the point of asking for specific complaints so that there can be confidence that CTA isn't getting another lemon (I'm doubting here given NF's track record compared to NABI).

What is junk? To me, it is something poorly put together or something very worn. A new bus could be considered junk as well as an old bus that was not properly maintained or abused by drivers or riding on very bad roads. Even in the same mmake/model/year one bus could be pristine and the next one could be junk. Each bus is different. Some have fast take offs, some slow, some have great steering, some have loose play. I can't speak for the guy that hates NFs, but the bottom line is how safe the driver feels with the vehicle he is driving. I have never driven a NABI, but as a passenger on Pace buses, if I had ato drive one, the shocks on those would concern me to the point of writing those buses up consistently, though I think some buses are worse than others. If I felt ANY bus was unsafe, I would request another even to the point of refusing a bus that would endanger my passengers lives and my livelihood.

One time the leveling valve for the airbags on a bus had gone out, so the bus was leaning slightly to one side. Not a big deal until I drove the bus and I felt every crack (not potholes) in the road. I took the bus back to the garage to be fixed. The mechanic put the high side of the bus on a block (I guess to force the air down to balance the bus) and gave it back to me. I started driving and brought the bus back a second time. By this time, my bus was the only bus in the yard and I had to drive to downtown to do my commuter run. I still felt the bus was unsafe. One of the owners came out and said I had to drive that bus. I told him absolutely not. He said he would drive the bus himself and I told him go right ahead and I would go home. Of course he didn't drive that bus, but the mechanic actually had to replace that leveling valve which took about a 1/2 hour to do. My passengers were upset that I was late until I explained that I was not going to drive an unsafe vehicle.

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