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2 hours ago, BusHunter said:

What #206 changes? #206 is gone?

It's kind of weird but as many times as I've drove the edens I never saw a bus on shoulder yet. I think the traffic is pretty good north of Dempster and they don't really need a bus on shoulder. Usually the edens starts getting issues at Touhy sb.

The Tri state has consistently bad traffic especially up by O'Hare. How in the heck #895 keeps on schedule I don't know.

Only change to #206 is that some school trips now operate via the Church/Chicago routing of the now discontinued #205

http://www.pacebus.com/pdf/initiatives/NSCP/Route-by-Route_Summary_of_Changes.pdf

http://www.pacebus.com/pdf/initiatives/NSCP/NSCP_Final_Report.pdf

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I heard a rumor that phase 2 of the North Shore Transit Coordination Plan will be put into effect in September. If so, then we should be getting information regarding Pace Routes 210, 215, 225, 226 & CTA Route 54A sometime during the summer.

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On 6/13/2019 at 8:04 AM, TaylorTank1229 said:

I heard a rumor that phase 2 of the North Shore Transit Coordination Plan will be put into effect in September. If so, then we should be getting information regarding Pace Routes 210, 215, 225, 226 & CTA Route 54A sometime during the summer.

Well that would line up with the body of the final report stating that phase 2 was targeted for mid to late 2019 (even though interestingly enough the diagrams summarizing the implementation schedule targets state early to mid-2019). 

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On 6/13/2019 at 8:04 AM, TaylorTank1229 said:

I heard a rumor that phase 2 of the North Shore Transit Coordination Plan will be put into effect in September. If so, then we should be getting information regarding Pace Routes 210, 215, 225, 226 & CTA Route 54A sometime during the summer.

Looking at the 210 ridership it seems to average over 330 passengers monthly so I am curious on why service would be cut. I mean it's doing better than the 304 and 326, which will be discontinued after Friday August 9th, 2019 with averages in the 60s and 130s passenger range, respectively. I'm surprised there wasn't any uproar about the cut or is it still under consideration?

Edited by renardo870
Added numbers of ridership of the 304 and 326.

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On 7/13/2019 at 11:19 PM, renardo870 said:

Looking at the 210 ridership it seems to average over 330 passengers monthly so I am curious on why service would be cut. I mean it's doing better than the 304 and 326, which will be discontinued after Friday August 9th, 2019 with averages in the 60s and 130s passenger range, respectively. I'm surprised there wasn't any uproar about the cut or is it still under consideration?

210 has been historically dismal since the 2004 restructuring (and even more with the cut from the Brown Line). That’s 330 passengers spread against 13 hours a day (still 16.5 passengers/revenue hour) where ridership is spread with no clear objective or destination (crosstown services and whatever is in glenview can make it up)...not to mention if you compared 210 to the route classification (with the rest of the routes OR within Northwest/North Shore), it still ranks badly. 

Pulling resources from the 210 to cover better service (Crawford and 225/226) where markets justify it would be a better trade off. 

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On 7/14/2019 at 2:19 AM, renardo870 said:

Looking at the 210 ridership it seems to average over 330 passengers monthly so I am curious on why service would be cut. I mean it's doing better than the 304 and 326, which will be discontinued after Friday August 9th, 2019 with averages in the 60s and 130s passenger range, respectively. I'm surprised there wasn't any uproar about the cut or is it still under consideration?

 

8 hours ago, MetroShadow said:

210 has been historically dismal since the 2004 restructuring (and even more with the cut from the Brown Line). That’s 330 passengers spread against 13 hours a day (still 16.5 passengers/revenue hour) where ridership is spread with no clear objective or destination (crosstown services and whatever is in glenview can make it up)...not to mention if you compared 210 to the route classification (with the rest of the routes OR within Northwest/North Shore), it still ranks badly. 

Pulling resources from the 210 to cover better service (Crawford and 225/226) where markets justify it would be a better trade off. 

Reading this makes me wonder why the 210 hasn't been cut. I always assumed it was Glenview and Oakton-Skokie keeping the line alive

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2 hours ago, NewFlyerMCI said:

 

Reading this makes me wonder why the 210 hasn't been cut. I always assumed it was Glenview and Oakton-Skokie keeping the line alive

I remember when the 210 ran downtown as a NORTRAN ( pre Pace).  Then it was cut back to Western Brown Line and again to Lincolnwod Mall.  Seemed like a matter of time before it would bite the dust. 

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1 hour ago, artthouwill said:

I remember when the 210 ran downtown as a NORTRAN ( pre Pace).  Then it was cut back to Western Brown Line and again to Lincolnwod Mall.  Seemed like a matter of time before it would bite the dust. 

Yeah, I was still living in Chicago when it went to Bryn Mawr, I think? Although this would've been right as my memory started to work. I always personally thought the 210 would be useless without a proper CTA connection (i.e. not the Yellow line) and it looks like I was right. Probably should've been one of the few Pace routes to continue into the city 

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On 7/13/2019 at 11:19 PM, renardo870 said:

Looking at the 210 ridership it seems to average over 330 passengers monthly so I am curious on why service would be cut. I mean it's doing better than the 304 and 326, which will be discontinued after Friday August 9th, 2019 with averages in the 60s and 130s passenger range, respectively. I'm surprised there wasn't any uproar about the cut or is it still under consideration?

From a planning and evaluation. standpoint (and I also wrote the standards), comparing 210 with 304 and 326 may not be in the best interests of comparison.

Different markets, same terrible ridership. Doesn’t detract from your thesis (or mine) that the routes have to go.

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9 hours ago, NewFlyerMCI said:

 

Reading this makes me wonder why the 210 hasn't been cut. I always assumed it was Glenview and Oakton-Skokie keeping the line alive

Lincolnwood and the McCormick/Lincoln transfer point were the logical points for folks going south/east or to the mall (Glenview/Golf stations were for those North and Northwest), and CTA would take the passengers to the respective transit stations. 

The terminal changed as a result of the 2009-10 recession and pruning the routes made more sense then (as opposed to cutting everything to the bone).

Edited by MetroShadow
Going off of 10 year old memories when I first started working there.

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Looks like Phase 2 of the NSCP is beginning. On Sunday August 11th, #215 is having its route realigned between Golf/Skokie & Crawford/Church, which will beginning running via Golf Rd, Skokie Blvd, Church Ave, Crawford Ave. At the moment, it’s southbound terminus point is still at Howard Terminal, not yet Jefferson Park. That’s probably come later in the fall.

http://pacebus.com/sub/schedules/route_notice_detail.asp?Notice_ID=1603

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on the CTA bus page a new post mentions 54A discontinuation later this fall replaced by 215 and new 641.  anyone know details of 641?

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10 minutes ago, west towns said:

on the CTA bus page a new post mentions 54A discontinuation later this fall replaced by 215 and new 641.  anyone know details of 641?

It’s the new Pace route that cover service of the 54A between the Skokie Courthouse and Cicero/Touhy.

And where did you see this on the CTA website?

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2 minutes ago, west towns said:

it was on this site cta bus page fall pick

Oh, you meant on here. I thought you mean on the official CTA website. But yeah, I posted the forum.

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