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Bus lanes will only work on N Michigan with prepayment. There are so many routes, that the buses end up delaying each other. 

If they do go through with bus lanes, they should be in the median to prevent conflicts with other turning vehicles. A set up like Loop Link won't work.

In the short term, leap frog stop patterns should be pursued. 

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7 hours ago, Tcmetro said:

Bus lanes will only work on N Michigan with prepayment. There are so many routes, that the buses end up delaying each other. 

If they do go through with bus lanes, they should be in the median to prevent conflicts with other turning vehicles. A set up like Loop Link won't work.

In the short term, leap frog stop patterns should be pursued. 

If lower Michigan stretched far enough I'd go Seattle style and have all the buses underground 😎😎

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19 hours ago, NewFlyerMCI said:

More like without dedicated patrol & enforcement, they'd be effectively useless since everyone uses it to get on Norf LSD. Bus lanes on Clark probably wouldn't work that well either, only 2 buses. Dearborn, and at least SB State (5 regular service buses vs NB State's 3), however, are excellent ideas. 

After all, anything is better than the PM rush LaSalle Express crawl on Wacker, with all the buses essentially forcing their own bus lane ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

It hasn't been too bad actually whenever I've ridden the PM 136. But I will admit that the repaving work being done on LSD between Monroe and North Avenue has really mucked things up in recent weeks. I remember the Friday of that first week that work started caused traffic to back up so bad, that it took 20 mins for the bus to crawl from Upper Wacker/Columbus to the entrance ramp that LaSalle Express buses of either route usually take to enter the Drive. It was just our luck that supervisors had ended the detour up Michigan Avenue that was in place that day. The previous detour that was in place that experienced, the bus I was one breezed up Michigan by using the left lane the whole way through up to Delaware. 

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28 minutes ago, XE NewFlyer said:

155 Devon Should go west to Cumberland or should get taken over by pace after Kedzie

Demonstrate how this isn't fantasy. Ridership needed to comply with Community Guidelines, especially given prior failures by both CTA and Nortran.

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 The 143 and 148 should run both ways AM rush to PM rush and run on the weekends. In other words run in a similar pattern to the 146 and 147. I can't say this will work but i don't see how it will cause too much extra cost. as the 143 could be interlined with the Belmont+Halsted 151's and the 148 with the 22 on weekends and 146 or Devon+Clark 151's on weekdays.

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2 hours ago, XE NewFlyer said:

 The 143 and 148 should run both ways AM rush to PM rush and run on the weekends. In other words run in a similar pattern to the 146 and 147. I can't say this will work but i don't see how it will cause too much extra cost. as the 143 could be interlined with the Belmont+Halsted 151's and the 148 with the 22 on weekends and 146 or Devon+Clark 151's on weekdays.

More fantasy and redundant routes.

Instead of playing, why don't you tell us what passenger demand would be met?  Are there that many potential passengers going from Tribune Tower to the zoo at 8 a.m.? If so, they can take 151.

Seriously, there are obvious reasons why you are not employed by the CTA planning department.

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2 hours ago, XE NewFlyer said:

 The 143 and 148 should run both ways AM rush to PM rush and run on the weekends. In other words run in a similar pattern to the 146 and 147. I can't say this will work but i don't see how it will cause too much extra cost. as the 143 could be interlined with the Belmont+Halsted 151's and the 148 with the 22 on weekends and 146 or Devon+Clark 151's on weekdays.

Um as @Busjack mentioned with your idea about running 155 to Cumberland, explain to us how and why this would be needed passenger-wise and not simply ideas you're pulling up from thin air and just proposing them just for the sake of proposing them.

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5 hours ago, XE NewFlyer said:

 The 143 and 148 should run both ways AM rush to PM rush and run on the weekends. In other words run in a similar pattern to the 146 and 147. I can't say this will work but i don't see how it will cause too much extra cost. as the 143 could be interlined with the Belmont+Halsted 151's and the 148 with the 22 on weekends and 146 or Devon+Clark 151's on weekdays.

Passengers wishing to get to the areas served by 143/148 outside of rush hour can use the 

  • 36 Broadway
  • 146 Inner Drive/Michigan Express
  • 151 Sheridan
  • The Red Line (and/or connecting E-W route)
  • The Brown Line (and/or connecting E-W route)

Honestly, outside of downtown, if there is any area of the city saturated with bus service, its the section btwn Foster, Clark, Diversey & the lake.

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2 hours ago, jajuan said:

Um as @Busjack mentioned with your idea about running 155 to Cumberland, explain to us how and why this would be needed passenger-wise and not simply ideas you're pulling up from thin air and just proposing them just for the sake of proposing them.

there are passengers during rush hour who still live and work along the routes and still go downtown at a time other than rush hour. someone who lives on Barry and Sheridan can either take the 151 downtown which could take as much as 30 minutes or walk two blocks north and take 146 which would be at most 8 minutes. if you can't tell already most people would go for the 146 and those 146's get packed and the the stop that's the most crowded is Belmont and Lake shore. same thing goes for the 146 vs. 147 at Foster. The main point is to reduce crowding and to provide faster service.

Honestly what is the downside. there are so many 151's that usally come at two at a time surely some of those buses could be used on the 143 or 148

3 hours ago, Busjack said:

  Are there that many potential passengers going from Tribune Tower to the zoo at 8 a.m.? If so, they can take 151.

there actually may be. some tourists going out for the day or some kids going on a day off school. even if there was not demand there are still not in service buses going up north which some or all could go up Michigan rather than LSD and accept passengers without too much delay.

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11 minutes ago, XE NewFlyer said:

there are passengers during rush hour who still live and work along the routes and still go downtown at a time other than rush hour. someone who lives on Barry and Sheridan can either take the 151 downtown which could take as much as 30 minutes or walk two blocks north and take 146 which would be at most 8 minutes. if you can't tell already most people would go for the 146 and those 146's get packed and the the stop that's the most crowded is Belmont and Lake shore. same thing goes for the 146 vs. 147 at Foster. The main point is to reduce crowding and to provide faster service.

Honestly what is the downside. there are so many 151's that usally come at two at a time surely some of those buses could be used on the 143 or 148

there actually may be. some tourists going out for the day or some kids going on a day off school. even if there was not demand there are still not in service buses going up north which some or all could go up Michigan rather than LSD and accept passengers without too much delay.

The main point of the north side peak expresses are to get the 9 to 5 people to their jobs quicker/add capacity by splitting the zones up which would be overloaded and bogged with high dwell times since beefing up the 146, 147, 151 and red line already run every 2-3 min at rush and thus can't really add any more service to them.  That's the reason the LaSalle corridor doesn't have weekend service as it's mainly for west loop,  financial place and Wacker drive commuters.  It would be different if there was a case similar to 6 and 14 where the 20 block deviation through Hyde park on the 6 was deemed problematic enough to make Jeffery it's own route and use the 6 for mainly hyde park and end it in south shore but for these which are pretty much an 8 block express zone difference those midday/reverse peak riders are good with what they have. I doubt they'd leave that hour wait between Devon/Clark runs in the morning if the demand was that heavy

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3 hours ago, XE NewFlyer said:

there are passengers during rush hour who still live and work along the routes and still go downtown at a time other than rush hour. someone who lives on Barry and Sheridan can either take the 151 downtown which could take as much as 30 minutes or walk two blocks north and take 146 which would be at most 8 minutes. if you can't tell already most people would go for the 146 and those 146's get packed and the the stop that's the most crowded is Belmont and Lake shore. same thing goes for the 146 vs. 147 at Foster. The main point is to reduce crowding and to provide faster service.

Honestly what is the downside. there are so many 151's that usally come at two at a time surely some of those buses could be used on the 143 or 148

there actually may be. some tourists going out for the day or some kids going on a day off school. even if there was not demand there are still not in service buses going up north which some or all could go up Michigan rather than LSD and accept passengers without too much delay.

Adding on to @Sam92's point, you also have not demonstrated that the demand is even that high during the weekends. If weekend riders were feeling that hard up for extra service, they would have pressed for it. But they have not, so the routes in question should remain as they are. 

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4 hours ago, jajuan said:

Adding on to @Sam92's point, you also have not demonstrated that the demand is even that high during the weekends. If weekend riders were feeling that hard up for extra service, they would have pressed for it. But they have not, so the routes in question should remain as they are. 

And with the 143 and 148 being a bit more costly to operate than the routes they overlap and shadow,  you'd really have to have a situation where like the 6 and metra where the red line has so many issues that everyone flocks to 146, 147 and 151, drive demand to the point where even running at 2-3 minutes apart those 3 routes still can't handle the loads at which point someone will figure ok NOW might be a good time to bring more 148 hours cause we're maxed out on being able to add to 146.

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20 hours ago, XE NewFlyer said:

 The 143 and 148 should run both ways AM rush to PM rush and run on the weekends.... I can't say this will work but i don't see how it will cause too much extra cost. as the 143 could be interlined with the Belmont+Halsted 151's and the 148 with the 22 on weekends and 146 or Devon+Clark 151's on weekdays.

To take these two peak direction only routes and turn them into bidirectional, all day routes 7 days a week would constitute a huge service increase. Probably the biggest service increase ever embarked by CTA just to improve two routes. It would take more than simply interlining trips with other routes, you'd for sure need more drivers and buses than the current baseline. The cost would be astronomical and probably give the budget and finance staff ulcers.

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17 hours ago, XE NewFlyer said:

there are passengers during rush hour who still live and work along the routes and still go downtown at a time other than rush hour. someone who lives on Barry and Sheridan can either take the 151 downtown which could take as much as 30 minutes or walk two blocks north and take 146 which would be at most 8 minutes. if you can't tell already most people would go for the 146 and those 146's get packed and the the stop that's the most crowded is Belmont and Lake shore. same thing goes for the 146 vs. 147 at Foster. The main point is to reduce crowding and to provide faster service.

Thanks for providing a justification. Personally, I don't think that would do it, certainly not north of Belmont, but that's a matter of opinion.Otherwise, I tend to agree with @orionbuslover.

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