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1 hour ago, andrethebusman said:

The purpose of preservation is to save an example of something that is no longer around. What is wrong with saving a South Shore NS car? In a few years they will all be gone. Why not keep one around? The time will come when the last CTA 5000's will be facing the s rapper. Would you oppose saving a set because you "saw them in service"?

 

I didn't say I was opposed to saving one. I said I didn't get off on it. As far as riding a 2200 or 2400 in a museum, it isn't any different than having ridden one 3 years ago, or essentially riding a 2600 or 3200 now. And by the time comes for the 5000s,* none of us will be around, and it is more likely that any of us will come up with the $10 billion to take Elon Musk's spaceship to Mars than ride a 5000 in a museum.

*2054?, and note the consensus that it was now too early to discuss a 3200 for 2026, which is how @Rhys Pate started this discussion.

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13 minutes ago, Busjack said:

I didn't say I was opposed to saving one. I said I didn't get off on it. As far as riding a 2200 or 2400 in a museum, it isn't any different than having ridden one 3 years ago, or essentially riding a 2600 or 3200 now. And by the time comes for the 5000s,* none of us will be around, and it is more likely that any of us will come up with the $10 billion to take Elon Musk's spaceship to Mars than ride a 5000 in a museum.

*2054?, and note the consensus that it was now too early to discuss a 3200 for 2026, which is how @Rhys Pate started this discussion.

How would they run an AC propelled train anyway at a museum? I don't know the way cta goes through equipment they might be replaced in 35-40 years, what's that 2048. I might be still around myself, I'd be 73. People like Garmon would only be in their 50's!! It's probably these chinese csr's I won't see in a museum!! But you never know we thought the NABI's would still be around, didn't we. xD  

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14 minutes ago, BusHunter said:

How would they run an AC propelled train anyway at a museum?

The 5000s still pick up DC from the third rail and invert it to AC in the car borne equipment. However, that essentially gets down to that since a museum set up like IRM with people roaming the grounds can't safely have a third rail, a phony trolley pole would have to be installed to get any of the modern L cars running. Maybe the 5000s have the additional problem that one would have to kill the electronics in the cab signals, too, but I don't know.

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4 minutes ago, Busjack said:

The 5000s still pick up DC from the third rail and invert it to AC in the car borne equipment. However, that essentially gets down to that since a museum set up like IRM with people roaming the grounds can't safely have a third rail, a phony trolley pole would have to be installed to get any of the modern L cars moving. Maybe the 5000s have the additional problem that one would have to kill the electronics in the cab signals, too, but I don't know.

Yeah but didn't cta upgrade all their 3rd rails before they showed up. You are right about the cab signals but they probably don't use atc anyway so why would you need them? Seems their atc is a walkie talkie!! xD

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6 minutes ago, BusHunter said:

But you never know we thought the NABI's would still be around, didn't we. xD  

Given @pace2322's constant statements "the NABIs are junk" and "the only good NABI is on the scrap line" (and those were the Pace ones), no. Heck, one of them theoretically could have been saved as the only operational 60LFWs ever manufactured,but obviously no one was interested in that. Similarly, I don't get off on the call to ride the last of the Orion VIs.

Basically, the only reason any buses around were saved was guys like 2322 and 5750 and others at CHBM, which folded. 2322 hasn't been around here to say what he did with his Orion I.

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2 minutes ago, Busjack said:

Given @pace2322's constant statements "the NABIs are junk" and "the only good NABI is on the scrap line" (and those were the Pace ones), no. Heck, one of them theoretically could have been saved as the only operational 60LFWs ever manufactured,but obviously no one was interested in that. Similarly, I don't get off on the call to ride the last of the Orion VIs.

Basically, the only reason any buses around were saved was guys like 2322 and 5750 and others at CHBM, which folded. 2322 hasn't been around here to say what he did with his Orion I.

They'd (#7500's) probably be too scary to use at a museum anyway. With the problems they had they just be inviting litigators incorporated into their front yard!! Those buses were tainted goods and tainted goods you dispose of, sorry to say even if it is a one of a kind. 

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Here are some pictures from the 1st Annual Bus Day at IRM yesterday, October 1.

Seattle MAN Articulated 4020:

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Seattle Gillig 4123:

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Chicago Motor Coach 605:

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Janesville RTS 412:

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CTA Marmon-Herrington 9553:

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Visiting privately owned buses:

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Other miscellaneous photos:

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That looks interesting. Thanks for sharing. I've never rode an electic bus with the overhead wires in my life. I didnt know they had a bus with an amber destination . Thats getting in the 2000's era. 

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1 hour ago, Pace831 said:

Visiting privately owned buses:

We now know where @pace2322's bus (8723) is.

29 minutes ago, BusHunter said:

. I've never rode an electic bus with the overhead wires in my life.

As depicted by the Marmon-Herrington, that's about all that operated in your neighborhood (53, 54, 77, 78, 80) until 1973 (81 and 85 were killed about when Jefferson Park opened). For instance, I remember a wedding reception somewhere around Irving Park and Austin, and had to ride a trolley bus back to the Blue Line.

Basically, it was like riding a bus that sounded like an L car.

BTW, while the light poles on Elston were recently replaced, the rusty steel poles on Armstrong were obviously for trolley bus wires.

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2 hours ago, Pace831 said:

Dayton Flyer 925

I forgot that my sister lived near a Dayton trolley bus route (about all  city service was trolley bus in the early 80s), and they sure messed up radio reception.

That type of bus was also prevalent in Cambridge, MA (also had doors on the left side to deal with the Harvard Station terminal).

The orange bus is from Milwaukee.

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On 10/2/2016 at 9:16 PM, Busjack said:

I forgot that my sister lived near a Dayton trolley bus route (about all  city service was trolley bus in the early 80s), and they sure messed up radio reception.

That type of bus was also prevalent in Cambridge, MA (also had doors on the left side to deal with the Harvard Station terminal).

The orange bus is from Milwaukee.

Back in 2007 I visited Boston and rode the #71 from the Harvard Station terminal (see below):

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The low floor Neoplan sounded somewhat like a manual transmission car in reverse.

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1 hour ago, geneking7320 said:

The low floor Neoplan

I forgot what replaced the Flyers. Thanks.

CPTDB indicates that Dayton replaced theirs with ETi/Skoda, but more recently acquired something on a Gillig BRT body.

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