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Tribune article that the city received a $56.9 million CMAQ grant (in addition to $5.5 million in design money) toward the cost of rebuilding the State-Lake L station, although design work hasn't started yet. Part of the planning is to connect it with the Red Line subway.

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1 hour ago, Busjack said:

Tribune article that the city received a $56.9 million CMAQ grant (in addition to $5.5 million in design money) toward the cost of rebuilding the State-Lake L station, although design work hasn't started yet. Part of the planning is to connect it with the Red Line subway.

About time. State/Lake is one stop that actually needed an upgrade years ago. The south side has had the good connections all this time at Roosevelt/Red and Green/Orange lines while the north and west sides don't really have a loop connection other than Clark/Lake which doesn't access the Red line or State/Lake Red to the blue line, but still for a tourist or even a skiddish person that doesn't trust the free connection via turnstile connection method, this is lax and could be better. It's basically making the most out of a bad situation or connection. Me personally I've never connected there without a pass that I can trust I get the free connection so that shows how much I trust the free connection.

The station is old and with it being the 2nd busiest in the loop is a no brainer to develop. The State/Lake community deserves better. The ironic side of this is that the stop was slated for removal when Washington/Wabash was being drawn up. It was saved due to harsh criticism by the riding public and community.

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Good. I guess I'm kind of spoiled with only having to need to transfer at Clark/Lake for most of my life, but the one time I changed to the Red Line from the Loop lines, I was not fond of the out of system transfer.

48 minutes ago, BusHunter said:

...still for a tourist or even a skiddish person that doesn't trust the free connection via turnstile connection method, this is lax and could be better. It's basically making the most out of a bad situation or connection. Me personally I've never connected there without a pass that I can trust I get the free connection so that shows how much I trust the free connection...

Was never a fan of the setup, and I'm not even a tourist. As much as I don't like it, the same setup exists at Jackson/State/Dearborn and Harold Washington Library. I guess the old looking State/Lake makes it worse though...

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13 hours ago, MTRSP1900-CTA3200 said:

Was never a fan of the setup, and I'm not even a tourist. As much as I don't like it, the same setup exists at Jackson/State/Dearborn and Harold Washington Library. I guess the old looking State/Lake makes it worse though...

Which brings up:

  • The State-Lake station has to be the ugliest thing possible to block the view from Chicago's main street. I would put it on the level of the Stony Island station, and Wilson Shops, but both of those are now gone. At least the Harold Washington Library station is new, and isn't over State.
  • The "free transfer" (originally a paper transfer check, or now a Ventra card) was always the official way to transfer between the two State-Lake stations. I believe it always worked to or from Library, but was publicized only as a result of some other construction project.

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4 hours ago, Busjack said:

Which brings up:

  • The State-Lake station has to be the ugliest thing possible to block the view from Chicago's main street. I would put it on the level of the Stony Island station, and Wilson Shops, but both of those are now gone. At least the Harold Washington Library station is new, and isn't over State.

Yeah, I'm not a fan of its design either, and the itty bitty platforms bother me. I just ran down to the subway platforms when I transferred there. I heard that they expanded the platforms a bit a few years back, but that obviously didn't fix the fare area aesthetics.

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5 minutes ago, MTRSP1900-CTA3200 said:

and the itty bitty platforms bother me

Obviously, the platforms would have to be expanded to ADA specifications. Since there hasn't been planning, I don't know how they would do it, but obviously it would have to be something similar to what is at Washington-Wabash.

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With both State and lake stops getting a direct free connection really library state van buren could use a direct connection too. You could argue that the red line already does that at Roosevelt but the blue line connection is weak. If they could transfer straight to the red line platform they could actually transfer via Jackson red lines transfer tunnel. It would be like Clark and lake south. The forest pk riders need a better connection and I don't like fighting for a seat on an outbound blue line train at Clark/lake blue. It would be a smart move I think and take away all the hoards of people who use Clark lake as a transfer point. 

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On 10/14/2017 at 3:52 PM, BusHunter said:

With both State and lake stops getting a direct free connection really library state van buren could use a direct connection too. You could argue that the red line already does that at Roosevelt but the blue line connection is weak. If they could transfer straight to the red line platform they could actually transfer via Jackson red lines transfer tunnel. It would be like Clark and lake south. The forest pk riders need a better connection and I don't like fighting for a seat on an outbound blue line train at Clark/lake blue. It would be a smart move I think and take away all the hoards of people who use Clark lake as a transfer point. 

Personally the biggest issue I saw was when they closed Washington/State, taking out the transfer tunnel in the process. I remember when it was open seeing everyone in that tunnel with suitcases heading to/from the Blue Line, and the Jackson transfer tunnel being OK to navigate. Now with Washington/State closed, there’s only the Jackson tunnel  and the Loop lines to change between the Red and Blue lines (I don’t count the Lake - Washington/Dearborn tunnel because it is out of system). My thought is that a Clark/Lake south would make Jackson/Dearborn more crowded than it is already.

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About adding elevators.

I expect it will just be like all the other elevators to L stations, with the free transfer still being external?

Which means that the person who absolutely needs the elevators will have to go to the other end of the Red line station at street level to make the transfer.

A nicer solution would be elevators that go straight from the L to the subway. No chance of that I suppose.

 

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11 hours ago, Passenger said:

A nicer solution would be elevators that go straight from the L to the subway. No chance of that I suppose.

You don't know, but I bet there would be a stink if there weren't. CTA says all stations will be accessible, eventually.

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