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I was thinking,  if dwell time is a problem on artics the only sensible reason would be the fact that the back doors take a few seconds to close. To my knowledge both the 66 and 79 used just 4000's. As a frequent rider of artics i noticed 4300's doors close faster than the 4000's ones. Is it possible that 4000's are the only buses causing dwell time problems? If so almost all of the 4300's could move to 77th and Chicago which have the heaviest routes and the rest at the other garages where they might be needed.

Here is my idea of the garage assignments it could go down any way but this is one option I think would work

103rd: 4312-4316

NP: 4317-4322, 4324-4327, 4370-4379

Chicago: 4328-4332, 4334-4349  

77th: 4301-4311, 4350-4369, 4380-4399 

 

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46 minutes ago, XE NewFlyer said:

I was thinking,  if dwell time is a problem on artics the only sensible reason would be the fact that the back doors take a few seconds to close. To my knowledge both the 66 and 79 used just 4000's. As a frequent rider of artics i noticed 4300's doors close faster than the 4000's ones. Is it possible that 4000's are the only buses causing dwell time problems? If so almost all of the 4300's could move to 77th and Chicago which have the heaviest routes and the rest at the other garages where they might be needed.

Here is my idea of the garage assignments it could go down any way but this is one option I think would work

103rd: 4312-4316

NP: 4317-4322, 4324-4327, 4370-4379

Chicago: 4328-4332, 4334-4349  

77th: 4301-4311, 4350-4369, 4380-4399 

 

I don't think series made a difference cause 77th started with all 4300s and Chicago had half their artics made up of 4300 before they were sent north

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4/3 list:

4000-4066 K

4067-4070 P

4071 K

4072-4073 P

4074 K

4075-4079 P

4080-4116 103

4117-4166 P

4167 oos

4168-4171 P

4172-4195 103

4196-4207 K

4300 ood

4301-4320 103

4321-4322 P

4323 oos

4324-4325 P

4326-4327 103

4328-4332 P

4333 oos

4334-4399 P

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How come np doesn’t make the 148 and 151 an all artic route during  the morning rush period? Np has a sufficient enough number of artics between 4000s and 4300s to make the 22, 135, 136, 146, 147, 148, 151 and run a few artics on the 152 and 56 all at once, even run a few artics on the 50, sometimes the 50 gets really heavy in both rush periods. But even in the evening I’ll see 1000s on the 135 and 136 and why not just run all artics? Np should just utilize the artics as much as possible and run them. 

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12 hours ago, Manny018 said:

How come np doesn’t make the 148 and 151 an all artic route during  the morning rush period? Np has a sufficient enough number of artics between 4000s and 4300s to make the 22, 135, 136, 146, 147, 148, 151 and run a few artics on the 152 and 56 all at once, even run a few artics on the 50, sometimes the 50 gets really heavy in both rush periods. But even in the evening I’ll see 1000s on the 135 and 136 and why not just run all artics? Np should just utilize the artics as much as possible and run them. 

Because then you'll be using a chainsaw when you need a scalpel. Every crowding issue can't be solved by just throwing artics at it. Could CTA allocate them better than they are now? Yes. Are they using them extremely inefficiently as they are now? Not really.

  • The 151 uses about 23-26 buses during peak, of which maybe 3-6 will be non-artic. I think they got it covered
  • The 156 is higher priority for artics than the 148. In fact, every route you mentioned has a higher priority, bar the 50, the 56, the 152 and maybe the 22
  • 152 might benefit from artics, but doesn't need them.
  • Same thing with the 50. That said, the 50, much like the 82, does get artics occasionally, outside of school and/or united center runs.
  • The 56 will never need artics unless something happens to the Blue Line
  • The evening LaSalle Crawls have slightly less ridership than the morning ones, at least based on personal observations. Also a way to get buses stored downtown back north (happy to be wrong about that one)
    • Additionally, I can tell you that the 136 at least, is not consistently full all the way to the end of the line, a majority of the ridership from the few times I've taken it is off the bus between Foster and Thorndale

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On 5/14/2019 at 12:12 PM, NewFlyerMCI said:

 

  • The 151 uses about 23-26 buses during peak, of which maybe 3-6 will be non-artic. I think they got it covered

Not in the morning just in the afternoon

On 5/14/2019 at 12:12 PM, NewFlyerMCI said:

 

  • The 156 is higher priority for artics than the 148. In fact, every route you mentioned has a higher priority, bar the 50, the 56, the 152 and maybe the 22
  • 152 might benefit from artics, but doesn't need them.
  • Same thing with the 50. That said, the 50, much like the 82, does get artics occasionally, outside of school and/or united center runs.

There is a surplus of artics all of these routes can have them. not to mention other routes like the 2, 3, 4, 77 etc that need artics but don't have them.

yes this is a silly problem that can be solved without selling buses there are so many ways to do this. reduce stops on routes, get back doors to close faster etc.

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5 hours ago, XE NewFlyer said:

Not in the morning just in the afternoon

There is a surplus of artics all of these routes can have them. not to mention other routes like the 2, 3, 4, 77 etc that need artics but don't have them.

yes this is a silly problem that can be solved without selling buses there are so many ways to do this. reduce stops on routes, get back doors to close faster etc.

Pretty sure the 2 doesn't need artics. 3 and 4, sure, but I don't see 77th getting artics back anytime soon. Although you could make a case that the 4 and maybe the 3 could be shared with 103rd. It doesn't matter if there is a surplus of artics, not all of the routes the user mentioned need them. I'd rather see slightly underutilized artics on routes that already have them than have them completely underutilized on routes that don't need them. As for your last point, all of this has been discussed before. Nothing we can do until CTA shuffles buses around.

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1 hour ago, NewFlyerMCI said:

Pretty sure the 2 doesn't need artics. 3 and 4, sure, but I don't see 77th getting artics back anytime soon. Although you could make a case that the 4 and maybe the 3 could be shared with 103rd. It doesn't matter if there is a surplus of artics, not all of the routes the user mentioned need them. I'd rather see slightly underutilized artics on routes that already have them than have them completely underutilized on routes that don't need them. As for your last point, all of this has been discussed before. Nothing we can do until CTA shuffles buses around.

The 4 with artics would be a night mare in itself, the last time that route had artics the nabis were just about brand new. Now if the X4 was back then sure put some artics on it but artics on a local run is just as slow as a regular 40 foot run and slightly less packed with passengers during peak hours. 

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4 hours ago, YoungBusLover said:

The 4 with artics would be a night mare in itself, the last time that route had artics the nabis were just about brand new. Now if the X4 was back then sure put some artics on it but artics on a local run is just as slow as a regular 40 foot run and slightly less packed with passengers during peak hours. 

The 4 had artics when 77th last had artics, the 79 wasn't the only one to use them, the 2 and 3 got a few as well. Of course the buses are going to go the same speed, but they won't be as packed anymore as long as they don't reduce the frequency like they did for the 79. Now, the route doesn't need to be completely artic, but something like the 26, where there is often an even mix or slightly more artics than shoeboxes would be beneficial. It would especially help from the stretch from the Loop to 35th or 47th and then from 63rd to 79th, where it can often be standing room only or just a few seats left. The 3 would be worse off with artics than the 4, which CTA recognized last time they had some, since the 4 had more than the 3.

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