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7 hours ago, andrethebusman said:

So if 55 needs a fill-in, pulling an electric off 63 might not be too good an idea.

They both lay over at Midway, so what's the big deal? Same theory as that any route out of Navy Pier could go electric. Also, CTA demonstrated on route 21 that they can go 8 hours between recharges, and the batteries now have 3 times the capacity.

7 hours ago, andrethebusman said:

the plan is to have "mixed service" with both electrics and diesels on the route. Kind of hedging your bets? 

The "first to arrive by the end of [last] year" didn't happen, and it was supposed to be gradual delivery of the base order of 20 Proterras, plus rebuilding 2 NFs. 66 needs about 23 buses, and 63 19 buses (at 8 a.m., per @maths22's tracker). Whatever the motivation, you do the math.

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Haven’t seen this mentioned elsewhere on the forum, thought it was worth a mention.

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How does this affect my trip? 
Buses in both directions will operate via Ogden between Western and California.

Buses will no longer operate on 16th.

Note: The #18 bus stops on 16th Street at California, Washtenaw, Rockwell, and Western, and on Washtenaw at 15th and at Ogden will be eliminated. Customers can board buses on Western at 16th and 14th, and on Ogden at Western, Rockwell, Washtenaw, and California. 

Allow extra time.

Why is service being changed? 
Service is being changed due to the permanent closure of the intersection at 16th/Washtenaw to thru traffic.

https://www.transitchicago.com/travel-information/alert-detail/?AlertId=55216

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6 hours ago, KedziePink said:

Haven’t seen this mentioned elsewhere on the forum, thought it was worth a mention.

Full Description:

How does this affect my trip? 
Buses in both directions will operate via Ogden between Western and California.

Buses will no longer operate on 16th.

Note: The #18 bus stops on 16th Street at California, Washtenaw, Rockwell, and Western, and on Washtenaw at 15th and at Ogden will be eliminated. Customers can board buses on Western at 16th and 14th, and on Ogden at Western, Rockwell, Washtenaw, and California. 

Allow extra time.

Why is service being changed? 
Service is being changed due to the permanent closure of the intersection at 16th/Washtenaw to thru traffic.

https://www.transitchicago.com/travel-information/alert-detail/?AlertId=55216

So is 16th becoming one-way? Or is the intersection literally disappearing? I ask because the 157 also uses that intersection and I see no notice.

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13 minutes ago, NewFlyerMCI said:

So is 16th becoming one-way? Or is the intersection literally disappearing? I ask because the 157 also uses that intersection and I see no notice.

It looks like it will become a  cul de sac, which means no thru traffic. The 157 doesn't use 16th between Wester and Washtenaw.  It uses Ogden, so the 18 will share the 157 routing in that area.   

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5 minutes ago, artthouwill said:

It looks like it will become a  cul de sac, which means no thru traffic. The 157 doesn't use 16th between Wester and Washtenaw.  It uses Ogden, so the 18 will share the 157 routing in that area.   

Ah, so the cul-de-sac is at 16th & Western? I thought it was at 16th & Washtenaw, which would've affected the 157's turnaround.

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18th was just too attractive a shortcut... Ever since the 90's the city has had a program to force as much traffic as possible onto arterials and off secondary streets.

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This could be the reason, based on this article

Cinespace Studios (which have bought property from the old Ryerson steel plant in that vicinity) have leased portions of 16th street east of Washtenaw, after the City Council last year approved its latest expansion plan. That includes rerouting the #18 bus.

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According to Crain's, the city is facilitating the 60-acre backlot by closing a one-block section of Rockwell Street between 15th and 16th streets as well as a one-block section of 15th Street east of Rockwell Street. Cinespace will also lease a two-block section of 16th Street east of Washtenaw Avenue from the city and shell out $250,000 for new signage and the rerouting of the 16th Street bus.

And from Crain's:

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The agreement calls for the city to vacate a one-block stretch of Rockwell Street between 15th Street and 16th Street, and a one-block section of 15th from Rockwell east to the viaduct. A two-block stretch of 16th from Washtenaw Avenue to the viaduct adjoining Webster will be leased to Cinespace for five years at a time, Pissios said.

The production company at this point is not paying the city to close off and fence in the streets involved. But, Pissios said, it is paying about $250,000 for new street signs and other signals, and Chicago Transit Authority costs in rerouting its 16th Street bus.

 

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On 1/28/2019 at 12:12 AM, Shannon CVPI said:

My question is what is the point of swapping buses for the same buses in some cases like when C sent there 13's 14's to 77th&74th just to get 18's from K 

I think it has a lot to do with mileage on the buses. 

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On 2/2/2019 at 9:50 PM, Shannon CVPI said:

Wow they all still getting city miles the worst mileage 

Not all garages have the same number of heavier serviced routes. For example, K's Lake Shore express routes only run during rush hour, and its artics only run on those routes in the PM rush as service on those routes in AM rush are serviced more by 40 footers. K's artics get more of their use and therefore mileage on the 151 and 156. NP by contrasts runs artics daily on Lake Shore Drive on both the 146 and 147 while also running artics daily on the 22 and NP's share of the 151. So in this case, artics from NP get more mileage put on them than those at K. But your example given in your original question had a lot to do with CTA bus operations wanting to try to get garage assignments of the 1000 series based primarily on numerical sequence. 

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6 hours ago, jajuan said:

Not all garages have the same number of heavier serviced routes. For example, K's Lake Shore express routes only run during rush hour, and its artics only run on those routes in the PM rush as service on those routes in AM rush are serviced more by 40 footers. K's artics get more of their use and therefore mileage on the 151 and 156. NP by contrasts runs artics daily on Lake Shore Drive on both the 146 and 147 while also running artics daily on the 22 and NP's share of the 151. So in this case, artics from NP get more mileage put on them than those at K. But your example given in your original question had a lot to do with CTA bus operations wanting to try to get garage assignments of the 1000 series based primarily on numerical sequence. 

Yea cuz like I seen how K 7 & C did back in16 C sent it's 13' to 7 & 14's to 6 in return they get 18's from K & NP along with a Few 19's from NP which they sent back North like at least trade for a different model tho lol 

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On 3/2/2019 at 1:06 AM, Shannon CVPI said:

Yea cuz like I seen how K 7 & C did back in16 C sent it's 13' to 7 & 14's to 6 in return they get 18's from K & NP along with a Few 19's from NP which they sent back North like at least trade for a different model tho lol 

Unlikely since bus operations managers also want the least number of different models at any one garage possible to cut down on that individual garage's costs from what it would cost them if they had to stay stocked in parts from a lot of different models. Add to that that we're talking about over 1000 NF diesels buses compared to one, 100, 200, and 450 each of the other existing models with all models having to be divvied between only seven bus garages. So the options of what to trade for is going to be severely limited still. So you're not going to see a trade for a model a garage doesn't already have or for a model that it already might have too many of from the start. K already has 80 some artics it doesn't know how to reduce its high spare ratio for (which is also the case for NP and 103rd with their artics btw), and it's not going to see any Novas of any generation. So the only choice is NF 1000 for NF 1000. 

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5 hours ago, jajuan said:

Unlikely since bus operations managers also want the least number of different models at any one garage possible to cut down on that individual garage's costs from what it would cost them if they had to stay stocked in parts from a lot of different models. Add to that that we're talking about over 1000 NF diesels buses compared to one, 100, 200, and 450 each of the other existing models with all models having to be divvied between only seven bus garages. So the options of what to trade for is going to be severely limited still. So you're not going to see a trade for a model a garage doesn't already have or for a model that it already might have too many of from the start. K already has 80 some artics it doesn't know how to reduce its high spare ratio for (which is also the case for NP and 103rd with their artics btw), and it's not going to see any Novas of any generation. So the only choice is NF 1000 for NF 1000. 

Yea I get that but it's kinda dumb imo open for kedize just to trade buses that they already have guess bus management only like the NF must have some against the Nova's lol 

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5 hours ago, Shannon CVPI said:

Yea I get that but it's kinda dumb imo open for kedize just to trade buses that they already have guess bus management only like the NF must have some against the Nova's lol 

What are you trying to say here?

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6 hours ago, NewFlyerMCI said:

What are you trying to say here?

He thinks Kedzie should get Novas whenever it trades out NFs during change of season reassignments and that K has something against Novas.

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