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Yo my surprise, I saw a Pace New Flyer EB on 95th in Oak Lawn arout 330p this afternoon    i will admit it possibly could've been a 20500 series Eldorado, but I think it was a New Flyer.   Does Oace Erst handle ALL UPS runs, or all UPS runs except 395?  It seemed yo be sn odd time to see that bus EB on 95th regardless of which type. Especially since it came about 5 minutes after an EB 381 

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37 minutes ago, artthouwill said:

Yo my surprise, I saw a Pace New Flyer EB on 95th in Oak Lawn arout 330p this afternoon    i will admit it possibly could've been a 20500 series Eldorado, but I think it was a New Flyer.   Does Oace Erst handle ALL UPS runs, or all UPS runs except 395?  It seemed yo be sn odd time to see that bus EB on 95th regardless of which type. Especially since it came about 5 minutes after an EB 381 

395 is shared between South and Southwest, so you probably saw a 20500.

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For those who are into dates I cross referenced all the first dates in service and put them in a list. I guess I'll link it to the Pace roster.

  • #20400 - 3/23/20
  • #20401 - 3/23/20
  • #20402 - 3/23/20
  • #20403 - 3/23/20
  • #20404 - 3/23/20
  • #20405 - 3/23/20
  • #20406 - 3/23/20
  • #20407 - 3/23/20
  • #20408 - 4/1/20
  • #20409 - 4/3/20
  • #20410 - 4/3/20
  • #20411 - 4/3/20
  • #20412 - 5/4/20
  • #20414 - 4/15/20
  • #20415 - 4/3/20
  • #20416 - 4/3/20
  • #20417 - 5/4/20
  • #20418 - 4/9/20
  • #20419 - 4/9/20
  • #20420 - 4/21/20
  • #20421 - 4/21/20
  • #20422 - 4/19/20
  • #20423 - 4/28/20
  • #20424 - 5/4/20
  • #20425 - 5/4/20
  • #20426 - 5/11/20
  • #20427 - 5/11/20
  • #20428 - 5/11/20
  • #20429 - 5/11/20
  • #20430 - 6/2/20
  • #20431 - 6/4/20
  • #20432 - 6/10/20
  • #20433 - 6/10/20
  • #20434 - 6/15/20
  • #20435 - 6/12/20
  • #20436 - 6/15/20
  • #20437 - 6/13/20
  • #20438 - 6/25/20
  • #20439 - 6/18/20
  • #20440 - 6/29/20
  • #20441 - 6/25/20
  • #20442 - 6/25/20
  • #20443 - 7/1/20
  • #20444 - 6/26/20
  • #20445 - 7/2/20
  • #20446 - 7/2/20
  • #20447 - 7/9/20
  • #20448 - 7/22/20
  • #20449 - 7/9/20
  • #20450 - 7/15/20
  • #20451 - 7/15/20
  • #20452 - 7/18/20, delivered 7/4/20
  • #20453 - 7/23/20
  • #20454 - 7/23/20
  • #20455 - 7/28/20
  • #20456 - 7/31/20
  • #20457 - 8/26/20
  • #20458 - 7/31/20
  • #20459 - 7/30/20
  • #20460 - 7/30/20
  • #20461 - 9/23/20
  • #20462 - 8/3/20
  • #20463 - 8/4/20
  • #20464 - 8/6/20
  • #20465 - 8/7/20
  • #20466 - 8/11/20
  • #20467 - 8/16/20
  • #20468 - 8/16/20
  • #20469 - 8/16/20
  • #20470 - 8/16/20
  • #20471 - 8/16/20
  • #20472 - 8/26/20
  • #20473 - 8/27/20
  • #20474 - 8/28/20
  • #20475 - 9/16/20
  • #20476 - 9/28/20
  • #20477 - 10/21/20
  • #20478 - 11/3/20
  • #20479 - 11/2/20
  • #20480 - 11/2/20
  • #20481 - 11/2/20
  • #20482 - 11/11/20
  • #20483 - 11/11/20
  • #20484 - 11/25/20
  • #20485 - 12/18/20

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21 minutes ago, BusHunter said:

For those who are into dates I cross referenced all the first dates in service and put them in a list. I guess I'll link it to the Pace roster.

  • #20400 - 3/23/20
  • #20401 - 3/23/20
  • #20402 - 3/23/20
  • #20403 - 3/23/20
  • #20404 - 3/23/20
  • #20405 - 3/23/20
  • #20406 - 3/23/20
  • #20407 - 3/23/20
  • #20408 - 4/1/20
  • #20409 - 4/3/20
  • #20410 - 4/3/20
  • #20411 - 4/3/20
  • #20412 - 5/4/20
  • #20414 - 4/15/20
  • #20415 - 4/3/20
  • #20416 - 4/3/20
  • #20417 - 5/4/20
  • #20418 - 4/9/20
  • #20419 - 4/9/20
  • #20420 - 4/21/20
  • #20421 - 4/21/20
  • #20422 - 4/19/20
  • #20423 - 4/28/20
  • #20424 - 5/4/20
  • #20425 - 5/4/20
  • #20426 - 5/11/20
  • #20427 - 5/11/20
  • #20428 - 5/11/20
  • #20429 - 5/11/20
  • #20430 - 6/2/20
  • #20431 - 6/4/20
  • #20432 - 6/10/20
  • #20433 - 6/10/20
  • #20434 - 6/15/20
  • #20435 - 6/12/20
  • #20436 - 6/15/20
  • #20437 - 6/13/20
  • #20438 - 6/25/20
  • #20439 - 6/18/20
  • #20440 - 6/29/20
  • #20441 - 6/25/20
  • #20442 - 6/25/20
  • #20443 - 7/1/20
  • #20444 - 6/26/20
  • #20445 - 7/2/20
  • #20446 - 7/2/20
  • #20447 - 7/9/20
  • #20448 - 7/22/20
  • #20449 - 7/9/20
  • #20450 - 7/15/20
  • #20451 - 7/15/20
  • #20452 - 7/18/20, delivered 7/4/20
  • #20453 - 7/23/20
  • #20454 - 7/23/20
  • #20455 - 7/28/20
  • #20456 - 7/31/20
  • #20457 - 8/26/20
  • #20458 - 7/31/20
  • #20459 - 7/30/20
  • #20460 - 7/30/20
  • #20461 - 9/23/20
  • #20462 - 8/3/20
  • #20463 - 8/4/20
  • #20464 - 8/6/20
  • #20465 - 8/7/20
  • #20466 - 8/11/20
  • #20467 - 8/16/20
  • #20468 - 8/16/20
  • #20469 - 8/16/20
  • #20470 - 8/16/20
  • #20471 - 8/16/20
  • #20472 - 8/26/20
  • #20473 - 8/27/20
  • #20474 - 8/28/20
  • #20475 - 9/16/20
  • #20476 - 8/28/20
  • #20477 - 10/21/20
  • #20478 - 11/3/20
  • #20479 - 11/2/20
  • #20480 - 11/2/20
  • #20481 - 11/2/20
  • #20482 - 11/11/20
  • #20483 - 11/11/20
  • #20484 - 11/25/20
  • #20485

20476 entered service on 9/28 not 8/28

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5 hours ago, Erin Mishkin Jr. said:

20485 is now on the 322. All XD40 deliveries have officially been completed and all 85 are at West! 20476-85 are still awaiting license plates too if any of y’all been wondering,

Didnt even notice the tags. Now we can ask where are the eldorkos? 

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20 hours ago, BusHunter said:

Didnt even notice the tags. Now we can ask where are the eldorkos? 

That's a great question.  With all of the eoute cuts, Pace doesn't need 164 EZ Riders.  I wonder if Pace contemplated or changed the order to get some Axxess CNGs for the Wheeling facility?  

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On 12/18/2020 at 12:43 PM, Erin Mishkin Jr. said:

20485 is now on the 322. All XD40 deliveries have officially been completed and all 85 are at West! 20476-85 are still awaiting license plates too if any of y’all been wondering,

I saw 20479 today and it did have plates but I didn't see the plate #.

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10 hours ago, artthouwill said:

That's a great question.  With all of the eoute cuts, Pace doesn't need 164 EZ Riders.  I wonder if Pace contemplated or changed the order to get some Axxess CNGs for the Wheeling facility?  

Well maybe they will soon have a need. With the vaccine rolling out maybe things can get back to normal this summer. I heard something about a new strain in London. So the future is still uncertain. 

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On 12/20/2020 at 1:07 AM, BusHunter said:

Well maybe they will soon have a need. With the vaccine rolling out maybe things can get back to normal this summer. I heard something about a new strain in London. So the future is still uncertain. 

FV buses 2605-2629 are definitely showing their age, I've seen a lot of 2700, 01, 04-06 lately.   2676 has also been out a lot, it was sidelined for months and just recently came back to service.  I'm sure Joliet and Elgin buses probably are tired too.  But with so many buses on the sidelines because of COVID from Naperville, Westmont, and the north suburbs, I'm shocked they are not replacing them right now until newer buses come, whenever that ends up being.  

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8 minutes ago, rotjohns said:

FV buses 2605-2629 are definitely showing their age, I've seen a lot of 2700, 01, 04-06 lately.   2676 has also been out a lot, it was sidelined for months and just recently came back to service.  I'm sure Joliet and Elgin buses probably are tired too.  But with so many buses on the sidelines because of COVID from Naperville, Westmont, and the north suburbs, I'm shocked they are not replacing them right now until newer buses come, whenever that ends up being.  

I think they will replace those buses once rhe Pace service cuts become official   i don't know the status of the new order of EZ Riders.

What I do know is Pace agreement with Wheeling was that when that new garage opens, it has to be 100 percent CNG. In other words, no diesel tanks.  Perhaps Pace will have to temporarily continue to fuel in Des Plaines or send a fuel truck nightly to Wheeling,  but at the end of the day, they need more CNG buses.  That's why I wondered if Pace has or has considered changing that order from 164 EZ Riders to 100 Axxess CNGs.  The 27xx EZ RZIDERS should last another 2 years.  I think the new Wheeling facility is slated to open summer of 2021.

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On 12/22/2020 at 11:32 AM, artthouwill said:

I think they will replace those buses once rhe Pace service cuts become official   i don't know the status of the new order of EZ Riders.

What I do know is Pace agreement with Wheeling was that when that new garage opens, it has to be 100 percent CNG. In other words, no diesel tanks.  Perhaps Pace will have to temporarily continue to fuel in Des Plaines or send a fuel truck nightly to Wheeling,  but at the end of the day, they need more CNG buses.  That's why I wondered if Pace has or has considered changing that order from 164 EZ Riders to 100 Axxess CNGs.  The 27xx EZ RZIDERS should last another 2 years.  I think the new Wheeling facility is slated to open summer of 2021.

I don't think they would run a fuel truck, cause that's the whole idea of the garage to be CNG. If word got out to the press that was going on they would probably end up explaining their situation to the feds. They received fed money to do something and they are doing something else with it. They have no choice but to run both garages. Are CNG Pulse buses coming this summer? They could always take half of souths cngs, they do have a fuel tank for diesel but the precedent is the same. Probably best to wait until the buses show up to open the garage. The way corona has gone they might only have three quarters of a garage left. Transit funding is unstable right now.

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11 hours ago, BusHunter said:

I don't think they would run a fuel truck, cause that's the whole idea of the garage to be CNG. If word got out to the press that was going on they would probably end up explaining their situation to the feds. They received fed money to do something and they are doing something else with it. They have no choice but to run both garages. Are CNG Pulse buses coming this summer? They could always take half of souths cngs, they do have a fuel tank for diesel but the precedent is the same. Probably best to wait until the buses show up to open the garage. The way corona has gone they might only have three quarters of a garage left. Transit funding is unstable right now.

Maybe the best option is for S and NW to swap fleets.   I think S still has their diesel tanks there.  Future CNGs. If any, can always go to S.  Also, NW and NS can swap some routes with 290, 226, 215, 250, and 270 and Oulse going to Evanston with 213, 234, 626 going to Wheeling.   With routes like 241 disappearing. Wheeling may only need 200 buses for the immediate future.

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2 hours ago, artthouwill said:

Maybe the best option is for S and NW to swap fleets.   I think S still has their diesel tanks there.  Future CNGs. If any, can always go to S.  Also, NW and NS can swap some routes with 290, 226, 215, 250, and 270 and Oulse going to Evanston with 213, 234, 626 going to Wheeling.   With routes like 241 disappearing. Wheeling may only need 200 buses for the immediate future.

Question is does NS have the capacity for that? That's a small garage. They do have Pulse buses at south that are CNG. The problem with Pulse that comes to my mind is that once NW is CNG, the #6510's are diesel, so they are obsolete, so they will have a problem. They can't really run diesel Pulse buses on the Halsted corridor cause that's CNG. And 95th isn't coming for years. I think the only solution is to do as you say but maybe run Dempster Pulse out of NS with diesel #6510's. The newer Pulse CNG's could run the Milwaukee Pulse, but there's not enough of them. They need like 5 more Pulse CNG's.

Pace doesn't really do what CTA does. They don't give new buses to garages and then take them away. There's not an instance of that yet other than a couple buses but that's understandable.

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1 hour ago, BusHunter said:

Question is does NS have the capacity for that? That's a small garage. They do have Pulse buses at south that are CNG. The problem with Pulse that comes to my mind is that once NW is CNG, the #6510's are diesel, so they are obsolete, so they will have a problem. They can't really run diesel Pulse buses on the Halsted corridor cause that's CNG. And 95th isn't coming for years. I think the only solution is to do as you say but maybe run Dempster Pulse out of NS with diesel #6510's. The newer Pulse CNG's could run the Milwaukee Pulse, but there's not enough of them. They need like 5 more Pulse CNG's.

Pace doesn't really do what CTA does. They don't give new buses to garages and then take them away. There's not an instance of that yet other than a couple buses but that's understandable.

6510-21 can move to sw when nw becomes full cng and operate them along route 381 until pulse service begins. 

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19 hours ago, John7 said:

6510-21 can move to sw when nw becomes full cng and operate them along route 381 until pulse service begins. 

I think the Halsted Pulse is closer to fruition, though i still don't know the exact timetable.  I also can't seem to find in the 2021 budget any allocations for new buses, be it CNG or diesel.  I do know if Pace deferred or changed (or canceled) the 2020 order for new EZ Riders.

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On 11/26/2020 at 7:33 PM, BusHunter said:

For those who are into dates I cross referenced all the first dates in service and put them in a list. I guess I'll link it to the Pace roster.

  • #20400 - 3/23/20
  • #20401 - 3/23/20
  • #20402 - 3/23/20
  • #20403 - 3/23/20
  • #20404 - 3/23/20
  • #20405 - 3/23/20
  • #20406 - 3/23/20
  • #20407 - 3/23/20
  • #20408 - 4/1/20
  • #20409 - 4/3/20
  • #20410 - 4/3/20
  • #20411 - 4/3/20
  • #20412 - 5/4/20
  • #20414 - 4/15/20
  • #20415 - 4/3/20
  • #20416 - 4/3/20
  • #20417 - 5/4/20
  • #20418 - 4/9/20
  • #20419 - 4/9/20
  • #20420 - 4/21/20
  • #20421 - 4/21/20
  • #20422 - 4/19/20
  • #20423 - 4/28/20
  • #20424 - 5/4/20
  • #20425 - 5/4/20
  • #20426 - 5/11/20
  • #20427 - 5/11/20
  • #20428 - 5/11/20
  • #20429 - 5/11/20
  • #20430 - 6/2/20
  • #20431 - 6/4/20
  • #20432 - 6/10/20
  • #20433 - 6/10/20
  • #20434 - 6/15/20
  • #20435 - 6/12/20
  • #20436 - 6/15/20
  • #20437 - 6/13/20
  • #20438 - 6/25/20
  • #20439 - 6/18/20
  • #20440 - 6/29/20
  • #20441 - 6/25/20
  • #20442 - 6/25/20
  • #20443 - 7/1/20
  • #20444 - 6/26/20
  • #20445 - 7/2/20
  • #20446 - 7/2/20
  • #20447 - 7/9/20
  • #20448 - 7/22/20
  • #20449 - 7/9/20
  • #20450 - 7/15/20
  • #20451 - 7/15/20
  • #20452 - 7/18/20, delivered 7/4/20
  • #20453 - 7/23/20
  • #20454 - 7/23/20
  • #20455 - 7/28/20
  • #20456 - 7/31/20
  • #20457 - 8/26/20
  • #20458 - 7/31/20
  • #20459 - 7/30/20
  • #20460 - 7/30/20
  • #20461 - 9/23/20
  • #20462 - 8/3/20
  • #20463 - 8/4/20
  • #20464 - 8/6/20
  • #20465 - 8/7/20
  • #20466 - 8/11/20
  • #20467 - 8/16/20
  • #20468 - 8/16/20
  • #20469 - 8/16/20
  • #20470 - 8/16/20
  • #20471 - 8/16/20
  • #20472 - 8/26/20
  • #20473 - 8/27/20
  • #20474 - 8/28/20
  • #20475 - 9/16/20
  • #20476 - 9/28/20
  • #20477 - 10/21/20
  • #20478 - 11/3/20
  • #20479 - 11/2/20
  • #20480 - 11/2/20
  • #20481 - 11/2/20
  • #20482 - 11/11/20
  • #20483 - 11/11/20
  • #20484 - 11/25/20
  • #20485

#20485 has been released since Christmas 

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