Electric Buses in the US

[Busjack]

Not looking good for Lion, which suspended operations in Channahon. CBS 2. Also, the the president resigned and the bank has its claws into it.

 

[Mr.Transit]

They couldn't compete with Thomas Built BUS and Blue Bird, and all other US school bus manufacturers

[Busjack]

3 hours ago, Mr.Transit said:

They couldn't compete with Thomas Built BUS and Blue Bird, and all other US school bus manufacturers

1. Lion is a Canadian company and its financial problems arose in Canada.
2. While the conventional school bus companies have an electric bus,* they are not exclusively electric.**
3. Do you have any source of statistics  to back your bald assertions?

The ball is back in your court, @Mr.Transit.

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*TBB says it works with Proterra, which itself is problematic.

**By your logic, you don't have an explanation for another story in the same publication that Ford is reducing workers on the F-150 EV, but is increasing production of gasoline Broncos.

[Mr.Transit]

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[Mr.Transit]

• Well Lion may be a Canadian company, it's pretty oblivious its financial difficulties have trickled down to its US operations.. Secondly, more school districts are buying electric school buses. Lastly, I believe Lion can't competitively bid on US school bus contracts because they may be too high.
• PS, Lion also builts trucks, which may not be profitable for them.

[Busjack]

5 hours ago, Mr.Transit said:

• Well Lion may be a Canadian company, it's pretty oblivious its financial difficulties have trickled down to its US operations.. Secondly, more school districts are buying electric school buses. Lastly, I believe Lion can't competitively bid on US school bus contracts because they may be too high.
• PS, Lion also builts [sic] trucks, which may not be profitable for them.

• First sentence is correct, but as this article indicates, the complex financial mess is entirely Quebecois. "More" may still be infinitesimal, and you don't have a source of numbers. "I believe" has no value because you have nothing to substantiate it. As I indicated in my prior post, you haven't given a reference to how many electric buses TBB and BB build vs. diesels.
• From the article to which I just linked above,

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Following the latest layoffs, Lion said it would have around 300 employees “who will focus on the company’s bus manufacturing, sales and delivery operations.”

Nothing was said about its battery-electric truck production, and a spokesman did not respond to multiple requests for comment.

In short, it's not clear whether it is still manufacturing trucks, but it sure looks like they are not profitable enough to overcome the financial problems noted in the article, and if the employees will be focusing on bus, the inference is that they are not.

In short, you have nothing except speculation shooting out your patootie. My only point, which appears unrefuted, is that exclusive or small electric bus manufacturers (Proterra, VMC, and Lion) were or are in trouble.  Your uninformed rationalizations don't change that.

[Mr.Transit]

I found two sources about the US diesel/electric school bus manufacturers. The first from a website called the Electric Bus Initiative says that only 10 % of school buses built are electric--statics from 2023-2024.

The second website called Mordor Intelligence lists the top 5 US manufacturers--Blue Bird, Collins Bus, Thomas Built Bus, Navistar and Starcraft.

The industry is expected to grow buy 2029, Mordor claims.

[Busjack]

3 hours ago, Mr.Transit said:

I found two sources about the US diesel/electric school bus manufacturers. The first from a website called the Electric Bus Initiative says that only 10 % of school buses built are electric--statics from 2023-2024.

The second website called Mordor Intelligence lists the top 5 US manufacturers--Blue Bird, Collins Bus, Thomas Built Bus, Navistar and Starcraft.

The industry is expected to grow buy 2029, Mordor claims.

Thanks. 10% isn't much.

Collins Bus illustrates the fallacy of your prior comment that Lion's (apparently not very existent) truck business should subsidize the school bus business. The general management rule is that each business unit should support itself. In this case, REV Group, besides shutting down ENC, sold Collins. Apparently, the bus business was a drag on its emergency vehicles and RV units.