sw4400 Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 All buses are marked at their assigned garages... for now. But this can(and will) probably change as the days/weeks/months, and even years change. If buses have been moved or retired early for whatever reason and I don't notice it, PM me here and I'll update the list(s) that need to be. *Note*: Lists are generally not updated on Weekends/Holidays as some garages run fewer buses than on weekdays. Bus #800-809,#900-909 were from the Base Order Of New Flyer D40LF's from 2006 Bus #4000-4149 were from a contract originally belonging to Seattle King County Metro Bus #4150-4207 were purchased through Federal Stimulus Dollars #4000-4038&4041 built in 2008. #4039,4040,4042-4207 built in 2009 North Park Garage: 4000-Series DE60LF: 4103,4104,4105,4106,4107,4108,4109,4110,4111,4112,4113,4114,4115,4116, 4117,4118,4119,4120,4121,4122,4123,4124,4125,4126,4127,4128,4129,4130, 4131,4132,4133,4134,4135,4136,4137,4138,4139,4140,4141,4142,4143,4144, 4145,4146,4147,4148,4149 4150,4151,4152,4153,4154,4155,4156,4157,4158,4159,4160,4161,4162,4163, 4164,4165,4166,4167,4168,4169,4170,4171,4172,4173,4174,4175,4176,4177, 4178,4179,4180,4181,4182,4183,4184,4185,4186,4187,4188,4189,4190,4191, 4192,4193,4194,4195,4196,4197,4198,4199,4200,4201,4202,4203,4204,4205, 4206,4207 800-Series DE40LF: No New Flyer DE40LF's Are Assigned To This Garage 900-Series DE40LF: No New Flyer DE40LF's Are Assigned To This Garage Updated: 9/26/11 Fleet Status: In Service North Park Garage Hybrids Out Of Service/Retired: No Buses Out Of Service New Flyer Hybrid Transmission Key: New Flyer DE60LF #4000-???? are equipped with a GM/Allison Hybrid Drive New Flyer DE40LF #800-809 are equipped with a GM/Allison Hybrid Drive New Flyer DE40LF #900-909 are equipped with a ISE/Siemens Hybrid Drive New Flyer Hybrid Engine Key: New Flyer DE60LF #4000-???? are equipped with a Cummins ISL Engine New Flyer DE40LF #800-809 are equipped with a Cummins ISL Engine New Flyer DE40LF #900-909 are equipped with a Cummins ISL Engine New Flyer Hybrid Seat Layout New Flyer DE60LF #4000-4149 have Standard Seat Layout New Flyer DE60LF #4150-4207 have Wall Mounted Side Seats New Flyer DE40LF #800-809 have Standard Seat Layout New Flyer DE40LF #900-909 have Standard Seat Layout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sw4400 Posted October 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 *Note*: Lists are generally not updated on Weekends/Holidays as some garages run fewer buses than on weekdays. Bus #800-809,#900-909 were from the Base Order Of New Flyer D40LF's from 2006 Bus #4000-4149 were from a contract originally belonging to Seattle King County Metro Bus #4150-4207 were purchased through Federal Stimulus Dollars #4000-4038&4041 built in 2008. #4039,4040,4042-4207 built in 2009 Forest Glen Garage: 4000-Series DE60LF: No New Flyer DE60LF's Are Assigned To This Garage 800-Series DE40LF: No New Flyer DE40LF's Are Assigned To This Garage 900-Series DE40LF: No New Flyer DE40LF's Are Assigned To This Garage Updated: 2/19/10 Fleet Status: N/A Forest Glen Garage Hybrids Out Of Service/Retired: No Buses Out Of Service New Flyer Hybrid Transmission Key: New Flyer DE60LF #4000-???? are equipped with a GM/Allison Hybrid Drive New Flyer DE40LF #800-809 are equipped with a GM/Allison Hybrid Drive New Flyer DE40LF #900-909 are equipped with a ISE/Siemens Hybrid Drive New Flyer Hybrid Engine Key: New Flyer DE60LF #4000-???? are equipped with a Cummins ISL Engine New Flyer DE40LF #800-809 are equipped with a Cummins ISL Engine New Flyer DE40LF #900-909 are equipped with a Cummins ISL Engine New Flyer Hybrid Seat Layout New Flyer DE60LF #4000-4149 have Standard Seat Layout New Flyer DE60LF #4150-4207 have Wall Mounted Side Seats New Flyer DE40LF #800-809 have Standard Seat Layout New Flyer DE40LF #900-909 have Standard Seat Layout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sw4400 Posted October 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 *Note*: Lists are generally not updated on Weekends/Holidays as some garages run fewer buses than on weekdays. Bus #800-809,#900-909 were from the Base Order Of New Flyer D40LF's from 2006 Bus #4000-4149 were from a contract originally belonging to Seattle King County Metro Bus #4150-4207 were purchased through Federal Stimulus Dollars #4000-4038&4041 built in 2008. #4039,4040,4042-4207 built in 2009 Chicago Garage: 4000-Series DE60LF: No New Flyer DE60LF's Are Assigned To This Garage 800-Series DE40LF: No New Flyer DE40LF's Are Assigned To This Garage 900-Series DE40LF: No New Flyer DE40LF's Are Assigned To This Garage Updated: 10/6/09 Fleet Status: N/A Chicago Garage Hybrids Out Of Service/Retired: No Buses Out Of Service New Flyer Hybrid Transmission Key: New Flyer DE60LF #4000-???? are equipped with a GM/Allison Hybrid Drive New Flyer DE40LF #800-809 are equipped with a GM/Allison Hybrid Drive New Flyer DE40LF #900-909 are equipped with a ISE/Siemens Hybrid Drive New Flyer Hybrid Engine Key: New Flyer DE60LF #4000-???? are equipped with a Cummins ISL Engine New Flyer DE40LF #800-809 are equipped with a Cummins ISL Engine New Flyer DE40LF #900-909 are equipped with a Cummins ISL Engine New Flyer Hybrid Seat Layout New Flyer DE60LF #4000-4149 have Standard Seat Layout New Flyer DE60LF #4150-4207 have Wall Mounted Side Seats New Flyer DE40LF #800-809 have Standard Seat Layout New Flyer DE40LF #900-909 have Standard Seat Layout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sw4400 Posted October 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 *Note*: Lists are generally not updated on Weekends/Holidays as some garages run fewer buses than on weekdays. Bus #800-809,#900-909 were from the Base Order Of New Flyer D40LF's from 2006 Bus #4000-4149 were from a contract originally belonging to Seattle King County Metro Bus #4150-4207 were purchased through Federal Stimulus Dollars #4000-4038&4041 built in 2008. #4039,4040,4042-4207 built in 2009 Kedzie Garage: 4000-Series DE60LF: 4000,4001,4002,4003,4004,4005,4006,4007,4008,4009,4010,4011,4012,4013, 4014,4015,4016,4017,4018,4019,4020,4021,4022,4023,4024,4025,4026,4027, 4028,4029,4030,4031,4032,4033,4034,4035,4036,4037,4038,4039,4040,4041, 4042,4043,4044,4045,4046,4047,4048,4049,4050,4051,4052,4053,4054,4055, 4056,4057 800-Series DE40LF: 800,801,802,803,804,805,806,807,808,809 900-Series DE40LF: 900,901,902,903,904,905,906,907,908,909 Updated: 10/15/11 Fleet Status: In Service Kedzie Garage Hybrids Out Of Service/Retired: No Buses Out Of Service New Flyer Hybrid Transmission Key: New Flyer DE60LF #4000-???? are equipped with a GM/Allison Hybrid Drive New Flyer DE40LF #800-809 are equipped with a GM/Allison Hybrid Drive New Flyer DE40LF #900-909 are equipped with a ISE/Siemens Hybrid Drive New Flyer Hybrid Engine Key: New Flyer DE60LF #4000-???? are equipped with a Cummins ISL Engine New Flyer DE40LF #800-809 are equipped with a Cummins ISL Engine New Flyer DE40LF #900-909 are equipped with a Cummins ISL Engine New Flyer Hybrid Seat Layout New Flyer DE60LF #4000-4149 have Standard Seat Layout New Flyer DE60LF #4150-4207 have Wall Mounted Side Seats New Flyer DE40LF #800-809 have Standard Seat Layout New Flyer DE40LF #900-909 have Standard Seat Layout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sw4400 Posted October 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 *Note*: Lists are generally not updated on Weekends/Holidays as some garages run fewer buses than on weekdays. Bus #800-809,#900-909 were from the Base Order Of New Flyer D40LF's from 2006 Bus #4000-4149 were from a contract originally belonging to Seattle King County Metro Bus #4150-4207 were purchased through Federal Stimulus Dollars #4000-4038&4041 built in 2008. #4039,4040,4042-4207 built in 2009 74th Garage: 4000-Series DE60LF: No New Flyer DE60LF's Are Assigned To This Garage 800-Series DE40LF: No New Flyer DE40LF's Are Assigned To This Garage 900-Series DE40LF: No New Flyer DE40LF's Are Assigned To This Garage Updated: 10/6/09 Fleet Status: N/A 74th Garage Hybrids Out Of Service/Retired: No Buses Out Of Service New Flyer Hybrid Transmission Key: New Flyer DE60LF #4000-???? are equipped with a GM/Allison Hybrid Drive New Flyer DE40LF #800-809 are equipped with a GM/Allison Hybrid Drive New Flyer DE40LF #900-909 are equipped with a ISE/Siemens Hybrid Drive New Flyer Hybrid Engine Key: New Flyer DE60LF #4000-???? are equipped with a Cummins ISL Engine New Flyer DE40LF #800-809 are equipped with a Cummins ISL Engine New Flyer DE40LF #900-909 are equipped with a Cummins ISL Engine New Flyer Hybrid Seat Layout New Flyer DE60LF #4000-4149 have Standard Seat Layout New Flyer DE60LF #4150-4207 have Wall Mounted Side Seats New Flyer DE40LF #800-809 have Standard Seat Layout New Flyer DE40LF #900-909 have Standard Seat Layout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sw4400 Posted October 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 *Note*: Lists are generally not updated on Weekends/Holidays as some garages run fewer buses than on weekdays. Bus #800-809,#900-909 were from the Base Order Of New Flyer D40LF's from 2006 Bus #4000-4149 were from a contract originally belonging to Seattle King County Metro Bus #4150-4207 were purchased through Federal Stimulus Dollars #4000-4038&4041 built in 2008. #4039,4040,4042-4207 built in 2009 77th Garage: 4000-Series DE60LF: No New Flyer DE60LF's Are Assigned To This Garage 800-Series DE40LF: No New Flyer DE40LF's Are Assigned To This Garage 900-Series DE40LF: No New Flyer DE40LF's Are Assigned To This Garage Updated: 2/19/10 Fleet Status: N/A 77th Garage Hybrids Out Of Service/Retired: No Buses Out Of Service New Flyer Hybrid Transmission Key: New Flyer DE60LF #4000-???? are equipped with a GM/Allison Hybrid Drive New Flyer DE40LF #800-809 are equipped with a GM/Allison Hybrid Drive New Flyer DE40LF #900-909 are equipped with a ISE/Siemens Hybrid Drive New Flyer Hybrid Engine Key: New Flyer DE60LF #4000-???? are equipped with a Cummins ISL Engine New Flyer DE40LF #800-809 are equipped with a Cummins ISL Engine New Flyer DE40LF #900-909 are equipped with a Cummins ISL Engine New Flyer Hybrid Seat Layout New Flyer DE60LF #4000-4149 have Standard Seat Layout New Flyer DE60LF #4150-4207 have Wall Mounted Side Seats New Flyer DE40LF #800-809 have Standard Seat Layout New Flyer DE40LF #900-909 have Standard Seat Layout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sw4400 Posted October 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 *Note*: Lists are generally not updated on Weekends/Holidays as some garages run fewer buses than on weekdays. Bus #800-809,#900-909 were from the Base Order Of New Flyer D40LF's from 2006 Bus #4000-4149 were from a contract originally belonging to Seattle King County Metro Bus #4150-4207 were purchased through Federal Stimulus Dollars #4000-4038&4041 built in 2008. #4039,4040,4042-4207 built in 2009 103rd Garage: 4000-Series DE60LF: 4058,4059,4060,4061,4062,4063,4064,4065,4066,4067,4068,4069,4070,4071, 4072,4073,4074,4075,4076,4077,4078,4079,4080,4081,4082,4083,4084,4085, 4086,4087,4088,4089,4090,4091,4092,4093,4094,4095,4096,4097,4098,4099, 4100,4101,4102 800-Series DE40LF: No New Flyer DE40LF's Are Assigned To This Garage 900-Series DE40LF: No New Flyer DE40LF's Are Assigned To This Garage Updated: 9/26/11 Fleet Status: In Service 103rd Garage Hybrids Out Of Service/Retired: No Buses Out Of Service New Flyer Hybrid Transmission Key: New Flyer DE60LF #4000-???? are equipped with a GM/Allison Hybrid Drive New Flyer DE40LF #800-809 are equipped with a GM/Allison Hybrid Drive New Flyer DE40LF #900-909 are equipped with a ISE/Siemens Hybrid Drive New Flyer Hybrid Engine Key: New Flyer DE60LF #4000-???? are equipped with a Cummins ISL Engine New Flyer DE40LF #800-809 are equipped with a GM/Allison Hybrid Drive New Flyer DE40LF #900-909 are equipped with a ISE/Siemens Hybrid Drive New Flyer Hybrid Seat Layout New Flyer DE60LF #4000-4149 have Standard Seat Layout New Flyer DE60LF #4150-4207 have Wall Mounted Side Seats New Flyer DE40LF #800-809 have Standard Seat Layout New Flyer DE40LF #900-909 have Standard Seat Layout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 If any of the 4208-4347 ever show up and with the gasoline series hybrid, I'm sure you'll be the first to know.:) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedracer1407 Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 I suppose it's worth noting that, for the engine key, the 4000s indeed have the "GM/Allison Hybrid drive. A silly distinction, perhaps, but it's really a transmission with integrated electric motors. The engine is a Cummins ISL diesel that, according to New Flyer's literature, is rated at 330 HP. I'm pretty sure the Diesel on the 800s is the smaller Cummins ISB, but I'm not totally sure about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sw4400 Posted October 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 *Note*: Lists are generally not updated on Weekends/Holidays as some garages run fewer buses than on weekdays. Bus #800-809,#900-909 were from the Base Order Of New Flyer D40LF's from 2006 Bus #4000-4149 were from a contract originally belonging to Seattle King County Metro Bus #4150-4207 were purchased through Federal Stimulus Dollars #4000-4038&4041 built in 2008. #4039,4040,4042-4207 built in 2009 Archer Garage:[CLOSED] 4000-Series DE60LF: No New Flyer DE60LF's Are Assigned To This Garage 800-Series DE40LF: No New Flyer DE40LF's Are Assigned To This Garage 900-Series DE40LF: No New Flyer DE40LF's Are Assigned To This Garage Updated: 10/6/09 Fleet Status: N/A Archer Garage Hybrids Out Of Service/Retired: No Buses Out Of Service New Flyer Hybrid Transmission Key: New Flyer DE60LF #4000-???? are equipped with a GM/Allison Hybrid Drive New Flyer DE40LF #800-809 are equipped with a GM/Allison Hybrid Drive New Flyer DE40LF #900-909 are equipped with a ISE/Siemens Hybrid Drive New Flyer Hybrid Engine Key: New Flyer DE60LF #4000-???? are equipped with a Cummins ISL Engine New Flyer DE40LF #800-809 are equipped with a Cummins ISL Engine New Flyer DE40LF #900-909 are equipped with a Cummins ISL Engine New Flyer Hybrid Seat Layout New Flyer DE60LF #4000-4149 have Standard Seat Layout New Flyer DE60LF #4150-4207 have Wall Mounted Side Seats New Flyer DE40LF #800-809 have Standard Seat Layout New Flyer DE40LF #900-909 have Standard Seat Layout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MT0851 Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 I suppose it's worth noting that, for the engine key, the 4000s indeed have the "GM/Allison Hybrid drive. A silly distinction, perhaps, but it's really a transmission with integrated electric motors. The engine is a Cummins ISL diesel that, according to New Flyer's literature, is rated at 330 HP. I'm pretty sure the Diesel on the 800s is the smaller Cummins ISB, but I'm not totally sure about that. The 800s have the Parallel system, so they have the 280HP ISL. The 900s most likely have the ISB, being a Series Hybrid and what not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daerah Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 I was just about to say .... I thought the 800s had ISM or something other than ISL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 I was just about to say .... I thought the 800s had ISM or something other than ISL. Since I am not a engine guru, is there any real difference, except for having an L or M in the model number? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedracer1407 Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 Since I am not a engine guru, is there any real difference, except for having an L or M in the model number? On a spec sheet for transit bus duty, they look pretty similar, but they actually don't share any design lineage with each other, so it's not like one is a bigger/smaller version of the other. The ISM is a 10.8 Liter Inline 6 rated at 280HP and 925 lb/ft of torque in the 40 footers. It's also available with 330HP and 1150 lb/ft of torque, presumably for 60ft artics. The ISL is a 8.9 Liter Inline 6 that's also rated at 280 HP and a slightly lower 900 lb/ft of torque. Again, 330HP and 1100 lb/ft torque rating is avaiable for larger buses, and according to New Flyer's literature, the Hybrid artics have the 330hp version. The ISL is simply a modernized and slightly enlarged version of the C8.3, which itself received modern electronics, emissions, and common rail direct fuel injection to become the ISC. I recall seeing on this forum that the Nova's use the C series engine. All three engines are capable of delivering similar HP and Torque, so it begs the question: why offer three engines all capable of doing the same thing? Well all of these engines are capable of, and are rated at, much higher HP and torque in heavier-duty applications, like fire trucks. And that's where the differences are apparent. The ISM can top 500HP, the ISL over 400, and the ISC up to 365. So essentially, they're all "detuned" substantially from their potential maximum output when used in transit buses, some more than others. I presume this for the sake of longevity; a fire truck engine that only covers a few miles a day can afford to blast out 500 HP when needed. But when it comes to a stop-and-go cycle all day every day for a decade, it makes sense to use that same engine, derated to 280HP, for easy, under-stressed running. So the CTA seems to have settled on the ISL, which intuitively makes sense. The too-big ISM is wasteful, the ISC might be overstressed for the long-haul, so the ISL is just right. I donno if any of that is true, but it makes sense to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 Thanks for some help. My impression, at least with respect to the ISE hybrids, is that they ran something similar to a Dodge truck, which currently appears to be a 6.7 liter (although 5.9 l was previously quoted). The smaller engine was justified because all it does in that application is charge the batteries. But. I suppose someone in the garage could pull the cover and give us the answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MT0851 Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 Thanks for some help. My impression, at least with respect to the ISE hybrids, is that they ran something similar to a Dodge truck, which currently appears to be a 6.7 liter (although 5.9 l was previously quoted). The smaller engine was justified because all it does in that application is charge the batteries. But. I suppose someone in the garage could pull the cover and give us the answer. The TTC's and NYCT's Orion Hybrids which use a BAE Series hybrid system (Same thing as the ISE system) are both equipped the Cummins ISB, which are also used on Dodge pickup trucks. I'm not sure about NYCT, but the TTC's old style Orion hybrids from 2006 are equipped with the 5,9 liter ISB and the "Next Generation" Hybrids from 2007 on have the 6.7 liter ISB in them. I don't know why they upgraded to the 6.7 liter engine though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. Badaraco Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 The TTC's and NYCT's Orion Hybrids which use a BAE Series hybrid system (Same thing as the ISE system) are both equipped the Cummins ISB, which are also used on Dodge pickup trucks. I'm not sure about NYCT, but the TTC's old style Orion hybrids from 2006 are equipped with the 5,9 liter ISB and the "Next Generation" Hybrids from 2007 on have the 6.7 liter ISB in them. I don't know why they upgraded to the 6.7 liter engine though. For their 2007-compliant ISB, Cummins increased the displacement of the ISB to 6.7 litres from 5.9 litres. The same was done for their Euro 4 ISBe. MTA's old styled VII HEVs probably don't have the 2007 engines as well, and would thus have a 5.9 litre ISB. According to ISE literature, diesel-electric hybrid buses equiped with the ISE system use the Cummins ISB. So I would imagine the CTA's 900 series would use the ISB as some have mentioned earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daerah Posted October 10, 2009 Report Share Posted October 10, 2009 Personally..my favorite engines by cummins were L+Gas. and L10..which are used in LA Metros fleet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedracer1407 Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 The smaller engine was justified because all it does in that application is charge the batteries. While the diesel in a series hybrid like the ISE system does indeed spend much of its time charging the batteries, it's capable of more than that. Unlike a parallel hybrid, the engine doesn't directly interface the drive wheels via a mechanical transmission, which you probably already know. Instead, it turns a generator that can either charge batteries or energize the electric drive motor(s). Ideally, the batteries will never have the change to discharge enough that the engine is left to do all the work, but should that happen, all of the generator's power, generated by the engine, will go directly to the electric drive motors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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