trainman8119 Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 I have a question to throw out. If part (note I said part) of the reason that we can't have roll signs anymore is ADA related, is a bus that has a destination sign non functional considered not ADA compliant, and should it be ???? And if that is the case, should a bus with this problem be held in similar to not having a working lift ??? Just curious. tm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T8H5307A Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 I have a question to throw out. If part (note I said part) of the reason that we can't have roll signs anymore is ADA related, is a bus that has a destination sign non functional considered not ADA compliant, and should it be ???? And if that is the case, should a bus with this problem be held in similar to not having a working lift ??? Just curious. tm Yes and the interior display and announcements not working is a ADA no-no. CTA's answer... call out the stops and put a paper sign in the windshield. We write up these buses day in and out and the next day or same afternoon they are back out on the streets. Same goes with other defects. That's right, who needs mechanics! We have new buses, they don't have or develop defects! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainman8119 Posted March 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 Yes and the interior display and announcements not working is a ADA no-no. CTA's answer... call out the stops and put a paper sign in the windshield. We write up these buses day in and out and the next day or same afternoon they are back out on the streets. Same goes with other defects. That's right, who needs mechanics! We have new buses, they don't have or develop defects! I guess my point, though, is that if it is a no-no, what good is the paper sign do. I mean, if functional rolls are not good enough, what makes anyone think harder yet paper is sufficient. Where is that ADA police when you need them??? :angry: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T8H5307A Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 Well, when your only concern is making pullout, it seems some things can be overlooked! One of my retired Pace drivers told me once his bus wouldn't start, so the mechanics pushed the bus out the door so it could be counted as making pullout, and there he sat since now it was out the door it was considered a road call! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajuan Posted March 7, 2009 Report Share Posted March 7, 2009 I'm more annoyed with buses which, regardless of model, have both a paper sign and full functioning destination sign or those (a good number of the 6000s at Kedzie ) with no working sign and no paper sign acknowledging the defective destination sign, which is a pain when you're at a stop served by more than one route like most of those downtown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 Instead of speculating about this, why not look at the regulations at 49 CFR Part 38: Sec. 38.35 Public information system. (a) Vehicles in excess of 22 feet in length, used in multiple-stop, fixed-route service, shall be equipped with a public address system permitting the driver, or recorded or digitized human speech messages, to announce stops and provide other passenger information within the vehicle. ____________________ Sec. 38.39 Destination and route signs. (a) Where destination or route information is displayed on the exterior of a vehicle, each vehicle shall have illuminated signs on the front and boarding side of the vehicle. (b ) Characters on signs required by paragraph (a) of this section shall have a width-to-height ratio between 3:5 and 1:1 and a stroke width-to-height ratio between 1:5 and 1:10, with a minimum character height (using an upper case ``X'') of 1 inch for signs on the boarding side and a minimum character height of 2 inches for front ``headsigns'', with ``wide'' spacing (generally, the space between letters shall be 1/16 the height of upper case letters), and shall contrast with the background, either dark-on-light or light-on-dark. Nothing there saying you have to use automated systems. However, CTA has been sued because drivers did not call out the stops. Hence, why you DO HAVE automated systems. On the other hand, it could be argued that the paper windshield sign is not ADA compliant unless there is also one on the side and both meet the font tests. Maybe they do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PACE 834 Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 Instead of speculating about this, why not look at the regulations at 49 CFR Part 38: Nothing there saying you have to use automated systems. However, CTA has been sued because drivers did not call out the stops. Hence, why you DO HAVE automated systems. On the other hand, it could be argued that the paper windshield sign is not ADA compliant unless there is also one on the side and both meet the font tests. Maybe they do. How does one go about obtaining a copy of these regulations?(Is that even a possibilty?) :mellow: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibebobo Posted March 8, 2009 Report Share Posted March 8, 2009 On the other hand, it could be argued that the paper windshield sign is not ADA compliant unless there is also one on the side and both meet the font tests. Maybe they do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted March 9, 2009 Report Share Posted March 9, 2009 How does one go about obtaining a copy of these regulations?(Is that even a possibilty?) They are all public information. In the old days, you would have to go to a library that was a public document depository, but, thanks to the Internet, that is no longer necessary. All regulations are in the Code of Federal Regulations, available on the Internet at http://www.gpoaccess.gov/cfr/index.html. You could do a search on that site, or click browse. I know that Transportation is Title 49 and click from there, but the Table of Contents on the Browse page tells you as much. Browsing at the next screen, you have to choose whether to take Office of the Secretary, or Federal Transportation Administration. In this case, the regulations were under Office of the Secretary. You keep clicking and eventually get to what you want. If you want to do a thorough job of playing lawyer, you have to search for updates in the Federal Register. Again that is on the GPO site, http://www.gpoaccess.gov/fr/. In this case, since the CFR says that Title 49 was updated as of October 1, 2008, you would probably use the advanced search, entering the 49 CFR # number to see if anything changed in the past approximately 6 months. You can eventually get to the same place by going to www.dot.gov, and click on Regulations, then select Title 49. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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