hankmorris Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 Found a photo of 8010 traveling west on Devon taken circa 1960. No info on this series in your on-line roster. Data? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted January 12, 2012 Report Share Posted January 12, 2012 Found a photo of 8010 traveling west on Devon taken circa 1960. No info on this series in your on-line roster. Data? Why do you keep posting these, as this roster is only of buses around since this site went up? Go to Chicago Transit and Railfan. Apparently CTA had about 2500 buses before the about 1968 and newer model buses listed here. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrethebusman Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 Why do you keep posting these, as this roster is only of buses around since this site went up? Go to Chicago Transit and Railfan. Apparently CTA had about 2500 buses before the about 1968 and newer model buses listed here. 8010 was one of 150 Flx propanes series 8000-8149. Spent most of their lives at North Park, but low numbers later went to Forest Glen and Kedzie garages. All gone by 1975. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 8010 was one of 150 Flx propanes series 8000-8149. Spent most of their lives at North Park, but low numbers later went to Forest Glen and Kedzie garages. All gone by 1975. This was the group of buses in which one of them was diesel powered. Which bus was that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankmorris Posted January 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 Why do you keep posting these, as this roster is only of buses around since this site went up? To me, your group is the only game in town. Also, most of the folks who replied to my prior query were very helpful and willing to answer my question. I got much more than I expected. Kudos to them. I guess you're not among those nicer people. Your reply suggests that I should keep away from this group in the future as my search for knowledge seems to offend you. It's a shame you feel this way. How else do people get information than to ask where they perceive the answer may reside? When I get a question at our Historical Society, I bend into a pretzel to help the inquirer: even if the info resides elsewhere. As to why do I ask? It's because the members of this group have, collectively, far more knowledge about buses and their history in Chicago before the start date of this group. The world existed before then and will after it's a part of history, itself. I'm glad that other members of your group are gracious and helpful. A clue--if you can't help, don't reply. All you're doing is alienating me. I'm glad you don't represent the other members of this group. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 To me, your group is the only game in town. My point is that it isn't. I pointed out another site that has the way more historical information. So, you can use Internet resources, or, as you seem willing to do, start a new thread here for each bus that has a picture on the Internet that was acquired by the CTA or CSL before 1968. And, as far as other games in town, there are also the Yahoo groups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hankmorris Posted January 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 Thanks for the directions to the other on-line source. I will use it as frequently as it is needed. BTW--This was not a photo on the internet! We have a photo archives of 4,000+ pictures which have been either poorly annotated or not annotated at all. I've been going through these trying to pin down what we're looking at. It's been out-of-control for too long and I'm trying to get things with their proper "I.D." Providing the type of rail car, or locomotive, or bus is just providing details to otherwise unknown photos. Having 4,000 photos that have no proper information sort of negates the reason to collect them in the first place. As a historical society, we should make every effort to identify our physical artifacts as well as our photos. People turn to us for help and information. If we don't do our due diligence, we're not very helpful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 Thanks for the explanation. My reference to web pictures were to some such as Tom's Trolley Bus, which, while hard to find valid links these days, still has its Propanes and Diesels page up. I had also corresponded with someone who had a Photobucket of, essentially pre-Pace suburban buses, and while I did not get a response from him, did find other sites that explained what was going on. The web isn't always reliable, but it does have clues. Chicago Transit and Railfan is the best place to get the historical data, although I have had questions whether it has been adequately maintained for the past about 10 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Railwaymodeler Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 Bill's Chicago Transit and Railfan site, is indeed a great place for information. Sadly, the site itself is not done terribly well. I suppose this is common among these kinds of enthusiast sites, where it's basically done for fun (As opposed to a business site), and as such, done by someone with little or no web development experience. As a web dev myself, I've found that a well laid out and finished site will "appear" to have better content than an amateur site. Granted what Busjack said is very true, that Bill's site has the info, but Chicagobus here, looks more professional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 ... Sadly, the site itself is not done terribly well. I suppose this is common among these kinds of enthusiast sites, where it's basically done for fun (As opposed to a business site), and as such, done by someone with little or no web development experience. As a web dev myself, I've found that a well laid out and finished site will "appear" to have better content than an amateur site.... That essentially gets down to that the site was developed in the mid 90s. While he has been forced to change hosts several times, the basic coding I'm sure hasn't changed. That gets one into the question of esthetics vs. content, and I'm on the side of content. My comment is more directed to that the site, as originally constructed, was based on information that Andre could get, as opposed to continuous sightings reported on forums, and Andre's sources are not what they once were. For instance, I once wrote Bill about how I remembered Hammond's Chicago & Calumet District Transit Co's routes, and while he forwarded it to Andre, he never changed his site on the basis of that, since I guess I was not a confirmable source. Which, of course, gets us into the inherent problem with Wikipedia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRCTA Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 This was the group of buses in which one of them was diesel powered. Which bus was that? I think you're referring to Old-look propane/diesel # 8499 bulit in 1960 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRCTA Posted January 15, 2012 Report Share Posted January 15, 2012 If you can find Old Flxible 8010, where's Old Flxible 8011? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 I think you're referring to Old-look propane/diesel # 8499 bulit in 1960 No, that wasant the bus I was referring to, I know #8499 ran with many different propane engines and finally fitted with a diesel. There was a Flxible #8100 series bus which was diesel powered, possibly #8149!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busfan2847 Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 No, that wasant the bus I was referring to, I know #8499 ran with many different propane engines and finally fitted with a diesel. There was a Flxible #8100 series bus which was diesel powered, possibly #8149!. 8149 was built with a Leyland diesel engine as FT2D-40, however in 1959, after two years, it was rebuilt with a propane engine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrethebusman Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 8499 is a VERY curious case. It was built as a diesel, with a Detroit and angle-drive tranny (a Flx first), but with a standard old look body (photos exist).Before being delivered, Flx got CTA to agree to a binch of body and internal mods, including a new front, melamine instead of fiberboard interior walls, fluorescent lights instead of incandescent. This was apparently so Flx could try out these features, which were new to them. In the early 60's CTA on its own behalf started trying out different engines on this bus, including at least two different propane engines. By the late 60's the bus was back to "normal" and has been so ever since. So it was the victim of two separate modification programs, one by Flx and one by CTA. 8149 was a different matter. Flx was pushing Leyland underfloor diesels at the time, and got CTA to try one. CTA did not like (too noisy as I undertand) and Flx put a standard FTC180 back. CTA has always been given to tinkering with engines. Other known cases include 8849 having a GMC motor gas engine modified for propane for a while, 8765 (I think) with a Hercules diesel, 3239 and 3695-3699 with Cummins for a few years, 7100 with a GM diesel, and in recent times 5745-5764, 5800-5801, 6305-6329 with Cummins. These last three went to scrap with the odd engines. Oh, and 5800-5801 were in fact delivered with 6V92TA's and were retroed with Cummins when brand new. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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