Amtrak41 Posted June 16, 2012 Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 I was doing a little station timetable analysis yesterday to figure out when they run. First I compared a Southport to Loop and Belmont to Loop schedule and looked for mismatches allowing for 3 minutes running time. The Howard Browns depart Belmont at 6:42am and 6:58am. Then I compared a Merchandise to Loop and Adams to Kimball and looked for mismatches allowing for 7 minutes running time. The Midway Browns departs Belmont at 7:55am. Now what if they killed two bird with one stone and ran a Howard-Midway RavensTonAge (or EvansWoodAge) ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted June 16, 2012 Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 ... Now what if they killed two bird with one stone and ran a Howard-Midway RavensTonAge (or EvansWoodAge) ? I've got the feeling that even if the equipment and switching issues worked, there would be too much deadhead time or crew away from its base terminal (i.e. overtime issues). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amtrak41 Posted June 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 I've got the feeling that even if the equipment and switching issues worked, there would be too much deadhead time or crew away from its base terminal (i.e. overtime issues). If you ran it based in Howard with Red Line equipment, as they are doing now, and run to Midway rather than 95th, it is probably a wash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted June 16, 2012 Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 If you ran it based in Howard with Red Line equipment, as they are doing now, and run to Midway rather than 95th, it is probably a wash. Even if it were, what would it accomplish as far as operational efficiency? Maybe it would make use of some Red Line cars when they aren't running to 95th during the construction project, but that's a short term issue, and besides that, there was a proposal cited on the CTA Tattler that because the north and south ends of the Red Line had become unbalanced (although not as unbalanced as the Howard-Englewood-Jackson Park), some Red Line trains should run only Roosevelt-Howard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
See Tea Eh Posted June 16, 2012 Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 I was doing a little station timetable analysis yesterday to figure out when they run. First I compared a Southport to Loop and Belmont to Loop schedule and looked for mismatches allowing for 3 minutes running time. The Howard Browns depart Belmont at 6:42am and 6:58am. Then I compared a Merchandise to Loop and Adams to Kimball and looked for mismatches allowing for 7 minutes running time. The Midway Browns departs Belmont at 7:55am. Now what if they killed two bird with one stone and ran a Howard-Midway RavensTonAge (or EvansWoodAge) ? That would be pointless. The purpose of these trips is to provide service on the Brown Line that Kimball Yard cannot accommodate due to lack of storage capacity. The Ravenstons use Howard equipment, and when they're done in the morning, the trains (and crews) go back to Howard. The "Brownage" trains use Midway equipment, and when they're done, the trains (and crews) go back to Midway. Taking the Howard equipment and running it to Midway (or vice versa) solves nothing, and introduces an extra layer of complexity to the system in exchange for the nothing that it solved. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amtrak41 Posted June 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 That would be pointless. The purpose of these trips is to provide service on the Brown Line that Kimball Yard cannot accommodate due to lack of storage capacity. The Ravenstons use Howard equipment, and when they're done in the morning, the trains (and crews) go back to Howard. The "Brownage" trains use Midway equipment, and when they're done, the trains (and crews) go back to Midway. Taking the Howard equipment and running it to Midway (or vice versa) solves nothing, and introduces an extra layer of complexity to the system in exchange for the nothing that it solved. Well anyway, I notice the Brownage this year is about a half hour earlier than it was the last 2 years. I have to check the Tracker some morning to see if I am right. Last year when I tried the train disappeared off the radar screen after Library. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fails the Turing Test Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 I know this is an old thread, but I've been curious about this for a while myself and I chose a more direct approach: I wrote a little program to sift through the CTA's published GTFS data and actually extract what I believe to be the current Brownage schedule. Current feed has service dates out to December 15, so it'll probably be good until then (although I set the pastebin to expire in a month). Check the disclaimer, though; this isn't my data and I don't work for the CTA, and it might be fantastically wrong. (It does match up perfectly with Amtrak41's observations, though.) It also has an expiration date, unknown as of right now, due to future schedule changes and so on. One interesting thing is I can't find the Orange Line half of these trips anywhere in the data. All Orange Line trips start and end at Midway and have precisely 25 stops. The Brown Line trips that I believe to be Brownage all follow one northbound and one southbound schedule, but the northbounds start at Adams and the southbounds terminate at Library. This isn't necessarily how I'd've written the GTFS data, but it's what the CTA provides. http://pastebin.com/bBJAN7x8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 ... One interesting thing is I can't find the Orange Line half of these trips anywhere in the data. All Orange Line trips start and end at Midway and have precisely 25 stops. The Brown Line trips that I believe to be Brownage all follow one northbound and one southbound schedule, but the northbounds start at Adams and the southbounds terminate at Library. This isn't necessarily how I'd've written the GTFS data, but it's what the CTA provides. http://pastebin.com/bBJAN7x8 That is sort of interesting that the Orange part doesn't show up. Is it correct that the trains are still in service on the Orange segment? If so, they probably aren't reflected in the schedule, either, since other than possibly in the "every 7 to 8 minute" blocks, all trains "end" and "start" again at Clark/Lake. Of course, the Brown Line segments don't show up in the schedule, either,* even though you found them in the GTFS data. Another thing someone could experiment with is whether the Brown portion shows up on Train Tracker (since it has GTFS data) but the Orange does not (since it does not). __________ *But there are trips starting at Belmont at 6:41 and 6:57. Trains from Howard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fails the Turing Test Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 That is sort of interesting that the Orange part doesn't show up. Is it correct that the trains are still in service on the Orange segment? If so, they probably aren't reflected in the schedule, either, since other than possibly in the "every 7 to 8 minute" blocks, all trains "end" and "start" again at Clark/Lake. I believe so, but that knowledge is secondhand from people talking about the Brownage. I've never been on one. *But there are trips starting at Belmont at 6:41 and 6:57. Trains from Howard? Probably. There is a train that goes by on the southbound Purple Line tracks with Brown Line marker lights and a brown Loop headsign, which gets to Bryn Mawr at 6:35-ish; I've seen that one with my own eyes. Eight cars, so not a Ravenston. EDIT: Here's the timetables for those runs with the trip IDs, for the sake of completeness. I did not see any more trips starting at Belmont, except for the Belmont-Kimball runs really late at night. See above for the disclaimer, CTA owns this data but are not responsible for it, no warranty, entertainment purposes only, yadda yadda. [33049928290, 34049928290, 35049928290, 36049928290]30258 Belmont 06:58:30 06:58:3030232 Wellington 06:59:30 06:59:3030104 Diversey 07:00:00 07:00:0030236 Fullerton 07:01:30 07:01:3030128 Armitage 07:03:00 07:03:0030156 Sedgwick 07:06:30 07:06:3030138 Chicago-Brown 07:10:30 07:10:3030091 Merchandise Mart 07:12:30 07:12:3030142 Washington/Wells 07:15:00 07:15:0030008 Quincy/Wells 07:16:00 07:16:0030030 LaSalle/Van Buren 07:17:30 07:17:3030165 Harold Washington Library 07:18:30 07:18:3030131 Adams/Wabash 07:20:00 07:20:0030123 Madison/Wabash 07:21:00 07:21:0030038 Randolph/Wabash 07:22:00 07:22:0030051 State/Lake 07:23:00 07:23:0030075 Clark/Lake (Elevated) 07:24:00 07:24:0030090 Merchandise Mart 07:26:30 07:26:3030137 Chicago-Brown 07:28:30 07:28:3030155 Sedgwick 07:31:00 07:31:0030127 Armitage 07:35:00 07:35:0030235 Fullerton 07:37:00 07:37:0030103 Diversey 07:38:30 07:38:3030231 Wellington 07:39:30 07:39:3030257 Belmont 07:41:00 07:41:0030070 Southport 07:43:00 07:43:0030253 Paulina 07:45:00 07:45:0030277 Addison-Brown 07:46:00 07:46:0030281 Irving Park-Brown 07:47:00 07:47:0030287 Montrose-Brown 07:48:00 07:48:0030018 Damen-Brown 07:49:30 07:49:3030283 Western-Brown 07:51:00 07:51:0030195 Rockwell 07:52:00 07:52:0030167 Francisco 07:53:30 07:53:3030225 Kedzie-Brown 07:54:30 07:54:3030249 Kimball 07:56:00 07:56:00[33049928281, 34049928281, 35049928281, 36049928281]30258 Belmont 06:42:00 06:42:0030232 Wellington 06:43:00 06:43:0030104 Diversey 06:43:30 06:43:3030236 Fullerton 06:45:00 06:45:0030128 Armitage 06:46:30 06:46:3030156 Sedgwick 06:50:00 06:50:0030138 Chicago-Brown 06:53:30 06:53:3030091 Merchandise Mart 06:55:30 06:55:3030142 Washington/Wells 06:58:00 06:58:0030008 Quincy/Wells 06:59:00 06:59:0030030 LaSalle/Van Buren 07:00:30 07:00:3030165 Harold Washington Library 07:01:30 07:01:3030131 Adams/Wabash 07:03:00 07:03:0030123 Madison/Wabash 07:04:00 07:04:0030038 Randolph/Wabash 07:05:00 07:05:0030051 State/Lake 07:06:00 07:06:0030075 Clark/Lake (Elevated) 07:07:00 07:07:0030090 Merchandise Mart 07:09:30 07:09:3030137 Chicago-Brown 07:11:30 07:11:3030155 Sedgwick 07:14:00 07:14:0030127 Armitage 07:18:00 07:18:0030235 Fullerton 07:20:00 07:20:0030103 Diversey 07:21:30 07:21:3030231 Wellington 07:22:30 07:22:3030257 Belmont 07:24:00 07:24:0030070 Southport 07:26:00 07:26:0030253 Paulina 07:28:00 07:28:0030277 Addison-Brown 07:29:00 07:29:0030281 Irving Park-Brown 07:30:00 07:30:0030287 Montrose-Brown 07:31:00 07:31:0030018 Damen-Brown 07:32:30 07:32:3030283 Western-Brown 07:34:00 07:34:0030195 Rockwell 07:35:00 07:35:0030167 Francisco 07:36:30 07:36:3030225 Kedzie-Brown 07:37:30 07:37:3030249 Kimball 07:39:00 07:39:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CURRENTZ_09 Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 Off topic for a moment, how about the Ravenstate Next March, Early April (when the Brown Line doesn't operate on the Loop for 9 days , 2 Times) before the Red Line South Shutdown in May, will these trains operate to Roosevelt or serve along the Dan Ryan to 95th, Making these trains Ryanwoods Trains (Trust me creating these names made me get a little crafty). As for when finding out when the Brownage is in operation, i would suggest doing it the old fashion way and look for Orange Line Markers at Kimball around the suggested times posted, that way we may get a clear sense of when this train operates. CTA might NEVER Reveal that this train exists, so i say get up early and do a little investigation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sht6131 Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 Off topic for a moment, how about the Ravenstate Next March, Early April (when the Brown Line doesn't operate on the Loop for 9 days , 2 Times) before the Red Line South Shutdown in May, will these trains operate to Roosevelt or serve along the Dan Ryan to 95th, Making these trains Ryanwoods Trains (Trust me creating these names made me get a little crafty). As for when finding out when the Brownage is in operation, i would suggest doing it the old fashion way and look for Orange Line Markers at Kimball around the suggested times posted, that way we may get a clear sense of when this train operates. CTA might NEVER Reveal that this train exists, so i say get up early and do a little investigation. Run#709 arrived at the Paulina station on the way to Midway approxametly 0750 this morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CURRENTZ_09 Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 Run#709 arrived at the Paulina station on the way to Midway approxametly 0750 this morning. Ok so now we have a schedule, how did you know this was a Brownage train? Any photos or observations Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 Ok so now we have a schedule, how did you know this was a Brownage train? Any photos or observations From the Run Number and that it was at Paulina. If you look at chicago-l.org, 700s are out of Midway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sht6131 Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 From the Run Number and that it was at Paulina. If you look at chicago-l.org, 700s are out of Midway. Thank you Busjack. Almost my exact answer as thats where it came from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajuan Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 *But there are trips starting at Belmont at 6:41 and 6:57. Trains from Howard? Those Ravenston trains spoken of apparently appear as Purple Lines to Kimball on the Belmont station Train tracker though those trains are indeed heading to Linden and not Kimball as I have boarded them on occasional Purple Line rides to the Davis station to get a 93 bus. One departs Belmont NB at approximately 7:44AM and a few minutes after 8AM. The fact that the Brown Line is now an eight-car operation and the Purple six cars would probably explain Busjack's noticing two southbound trips on the Brown Line schedule that start at Belmont. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CURRENTZ_09 Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 Run#709 arrived at the Paulina station on the way to Midway approxametly 0750 this morning. @sht6131 assuming that run 709 stops at Paulina at 7:50, it must leave Kimball at 7:35 & arrive at Midway at 8:40, i made a quick timetable for the trip with arrival times at the stations servedRUN 709 TO MIDWAY ORANGE LINE via KIMBALL BROWN LINE.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted November 1, 2012 Report Share Posted November 1, 2012 Those Ravenston trains spoken of apparently appear as Purple Lines to Kimball on the Belmont station Train tracker though those trains are indeed heading to Linden and not Kimball as I have boarded them on occasional Purple Line rides to the Davis station to get a 93 bus. One departs Belmont NB at approximately 7:44AM and a few minutes after 8AM. The fact that the Brown Line is now an eight-car operation and the Purple six cars would probably explain Busjack's noticing two southbound trips on the Brown Line schedule that start at Belmont. My noting was from the the published timetable pamphlet for the Brown Line. Otherwise, I am a bit confused. If they were 8 car trains, how could they go to Linden, unless they dropped off a couple of cars at Howard or overhung the platforms north of there? Also, the data harvested by Fails indicate that the runs end at Kimball, although obviously they would have to get back to Howard somehow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fails the Turing Test Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 @sht6131 assuming that run 709 stops at Paulina at 7:50, it must leave Kimball at 7:35 & arrive at Midway at 8:40, i made a quick timetable for the trip with arrival times at the stations served Kindly check post #7 in this thread; we have the schedule from the CTA's published data for at least the Brown Line half of that run. Your times are pretty close, though; one major difference is the run actually goes over Wells and Van Buren, rather than Lake and Wabash, on its way south. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fails the Turing Test Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 Updated hypothesized Brownage runs from the "decrowded" schedule. Hidden in the spoiler tag below to prevent this post from taking up an undue amount of vertical space by default. Found 6 Brownage (Kimball-Midway)Trip id=37055011974, days of week = Weekday30250 Kimball 07:23:00 07:23:0030226 Kedzie-Brown 07:25:00 07:25:0030168 Francisco 07:26:30 07:26:3030196 Rockwell 07:27:30 07:27:3030284 Western-Brown 07:29:00 07:29:0030019 Damen-Brown 07:30:30 07:30:3030288 Montrose-Brown 07:32:00 07:32:0030282 Irving Park-Brown 07:33:00 07:33:0030278 Addison-Brown 07:34:00 07:34:0030254 Paulina 07:36:30 07:36:3030071 Southport 07:37:30 07:37:3030258 Belmont 07:40:30 07:40:3030232 Wellington 07:41:30 07:41:3030104 Diversey 07:42:30 07:42:3030236 Fullerton 07:44:00 07:44:0030128 Armitage 07:45:30 07:45:3030156 Sedgwick 07:49:00 07:49:0030138 Chicago-Brown 07:53:00 07:53:0030091 Merchandise Mart 07:55:00 07:55:0030142 Washington/Wells 07:57:30 07:57:3030008 Quincy/Wells 07:59:00 07:59:0030030 LaSalle/Van Buren 08:00:30 08:00:3030165 Harold Washington Library 08:01:00 08:01:00Trip id=37055011810, days of week = Weekday30250 Kimball 07:33:30 07:33:3030226 Kedzie-Brown 07:35:30 07:35:3030168 Francisco 07:37:00 07:37:0030196 Rockwell 07:38:00 07:38:0030284 Western-Brown 07:39:30 07:39:3030019 Damen-Brown 07:41:00 07:41:0030288 Montrose-Brown 07:42:30 07:42:3030282 Irving Park-Brown 07:43:30 07:43:3030278 Addison-Brown 07:44:30 07:44:3030254 Paulina 07:47:00 07:47:0030071 Southport 07:48:30 07:48:3030258 Belmont 07:51:30 07:51:3030232 Wellington 07:52:30 07:52:3030104 Diversey 07:54:00 07:54:0030236 Fullerton 07:55:30 07:55:3030128 Armitage 07:57:00 07:57:0030156 Sedgwick 08:00:30 08:00:3030138 Chicago-Brown 08:04:30 08:04:3030091 Merchandise Mart 08:06:30 08:06:3030142 Washington/Wells 08:09:00 08:09:0030008 Quincy/Wells 08:10:00 08:10:0030030 LaSalle/Van Buren 08:11:30 08:11:3030165 Harold Washington Library 08:12:30 08:12:30Trip id=36049928094, days of week = Weekday30250 Kimball 07:37:00 07:37:0030226 Kedzie-Brown 07:39:00 07:39:0030168 Francisco 07:40:30 07:40:3030196 Rockwell 07:41:30 07:41:3030284 Western-Brown 07:43:00 07:43:0030019 Damen-Brown 07:44:30 07:44:3030288 Montrose-Brown 07:46:00 07:46:0030282 Irving Park-Brown 07:47:00 07:47:0030278 Addison-Brown 07:48:00 07:48:0030254 Paulina 07:50:30 07:50:3030071 Southport 07:52:00 07:52:0030258 Belmont 07:55:00 07:55:0030232 Wellington 07:56:00 07:56:0030104 Diversey 07:57:30 07:57:3030236 Fullerton 07:59:00 07:59:0030128 Armitage 08:00:30 08:00:3030156 Sedgwick 08:04:00 08:04:0030138 Chicago-Brown 08:08:00 08:08:0030091 Merchandise Mart 08:10:00 08:10:0030142 Washington/Wells 08:12:30 08:12:3030008 Quincy/Wells 08:13:30 08:13:3030030 LaSalle/Van Buren 08:15:00 08:15:0030165 Harold Washington Library 08:16:00 08:16:00Trip id=37055011835, days of week = Weekday30250 Kimball 07:43:00 07:43:0030226 Kedzie-Brown 07:45:00 07:45:0030168 Francisco 07:46:30 07:46:3030196 Rockwell 07:47:30 07:47:3030284 Western-Brown 07:49:00 07:49:0030019 Damen-Brown 07:50:30 07:50:3030288 Montrose-Brown 07:52:00 07:52:0030282 Irving Park-Brown 07:53:00 07:53:0030278 Addison-Brown 07:54:00 07:54:0030254 Paulina 07:56:30 07:56:3030071 Southport 07:58:00 07:58:0030258 Belmont 08:01:00 08:01:0030232 Wellington 08:02:00 08:02:0030104 Diversey 08:03:30 08:03:3030236 Fullerton 08:05:00 08:05:0030128 Armitage 08:06:30 08:06:3030156 Sedgwick 08:10:00 08:10:0030138 Chicago-Brown 08:14:00 08:14:0030091 Merchandise Mart 08:16:30 08:16:3030142 Washington/Wells 08:19:00 08:19:0030008 Quincy/Wells 08:20:30 08:20:3030030 LaSalle/Van Buren 08:22:00 08:22:0030165 Harold Washington Library 08:22:30 08:22:30Trip id=37055011870, days of week = Weekday30250 Kimball 07:55:00 07:55:0030226 Kedzie-Brown 07:57:00 07:57:0030168 Francisco 07:58:30 07:58:3030196 Rockwell 07:59:30 07:59:3030284 Western-Brown 08:01:00 08:01:0030019 Damen-Brown 08:02:30 08:02:3030288 Montrose-Brown 08:04:00 08:04:0030282 Irving Park-Brown 08:05:00 08:05:0030278 Addison-Brown 08:06:00 08:06:0030254 Paulina 08:08:30 08:08:3030071 Southport 08:10:00 08:10:0030258 Belmont 08:13:00 08:13:0030232 Wellington 08:14:00 08:14:0030104 Diversey 08:15:30 08:15:3030236 Fullerton 08:17:00 08:17:0030128 Armitage 08:19:00 08:19:0030156 Sedgwick 08:22:30 08:22:3030138 Chicago-Brown 08:26:30 08:26:3030091 Merchandise Mart 08:29:00 08:29:0030142 Washington/Wells 08:31:30 08:31:3030008 Quincy/Wells 08:32:30 08:32:3030030 LaSalle/Van Buren 08:34:00 08:34:0030165 Harold Washington Library 08:35:00 08:35:00Trip id=37055011911, days of week = Weekday30250 Kimball 08:08:30 08:08:3030226 Kedzie-Brown 08:10:30 08:10:3030168 Francisco 08:12:00 08:12:0030196 Rockwell 08:13:00 08:13:0030284 Western-Brown 08:14:30 08:14:3030019 Damen-Brown 08:16:00 08:16:0030288 Montrose-Brown 08:17:30 08:17:3030282 Irving Park-Brown 08:18:30 08:18:3030278 Addison-Brown 08:19:30 08:19:3030254 Paulina 08:22:00 08:22:0030071 Southport 08:23:30 08:23:3030258 Belmont 08:26:30 08:26:3030232 Wellington 08:27:30 08:27:3030104 Diversey 08:29:00 08:29:0030236 Fullerton 08:30:30 08:30:3030128 Armitage 08:32:30 08:32:3030156 Sedgwick 08:36:00 08:36:0030138 Chicago-Brown 08:40:00 08:40:0030091 Merchandise Mart 08:42:30 08:42:3030142 Washington/Wells 08:45:00 08:45:0030008 Quincy/Wells 08:46:00 08:46:0030030 LaSalle/Van Buren 08:47:30 08:47:3030165 Harold Washington Library 08:48:30 08:48:30Found 5 Brownage (Midway-Kimball)Trip id=37055011973, days of week = Weekday30131 Adams/Wabash 06:33:00 06:33:0030123 Madison/Wabash 06:34:00 06:34:0030038 Randolph/Wabash 06:35:00 06:35:0030051 State/Lake 06:36:00 06:36:0030075 Clark/Lake (Elevated) 06:37:00 06:37:0030090 Merchandise Mart 06:39:30 06:39:3030137 Chicago-Brown 06:41:30 06:41:3030155 Sedgwick 06:44:00 06:44:0030127 Armitage 06:48:00 06:48:0030235 Fullerton 06:50:00 06:50:0030103 Diversey 06:51:30 06:51:3030231 Wellington 06:52:30 06:52:3030257 Belmont 06:54:00 06:54:0030070 Southport 06:56:00 06:56:0030253 Paulina 06:58:00 06:58:0030277 Addison-Brown 06:59:00 06:59:0030281 Irving Park-Brown 07:00:00 07:00:0030287 Montrose-Brown 07:01:00 07:01:0030018 Damen-Brown 07:02:30 07:02:3030283 Western-Brown 07:04:00 07:04:0030195 Rockwell 07:05:00 07:05:0030167 Francisco 07:06:30 07:06:3030225 Kedzie-Brown 07:07:30 07:07:3030249 Kimball 07:09:00 07:09:00Trip id=36049928093, 37055011809, days of week = Weekday30131 Adams/Wabash 06:43:00 06:43:0030123 Madison/Wabash 06:44:00 06:44:0030038 Randolph/Wabash 06:45:00 06:45:0030051 State/Lake 06:46:00 06:46:0030075 Clark/Lake (Elevated) 06:47:00 06:47:0030090 Merchandise Mart 06:49:30 06:49:3030137 Chicago-Brown 06:51:30 06:51:3030155 Sedgwick 06:54:00 06:54:0030127 Armitage 06:58:00 06:58:0030235 Fullerton 07:00:00 07:00:0030103 Diversey 07:01:30 07:01:3030231 Wellington 07:02:30 07:02:3030257 Belmont 07:04:00 07:04:0030070 Southport 07:06:00 07:06:0030253 Paulina 07:08:00 07:08:0030277 Addison-Brown 07:09:00 07:09:0030281 Irving Park-Brown 07:10:00 07:10:0030287 Montrose-Brown 07:11:00 07:11:0030018 Damen-Brown 07:12:30 07:12:3030283 Western-Brown 07:14:00 07:14:0030195 Rockwell 07:15:00 07:15:0030167 Francisco 07:16:30 07:16:3030225 Kedzie-Brown 07:17:30 07:17:3030249 Kimball 07:19:00 07:19:00Trip id=37055011834, days of week = Weekday30131 Adams/Wabash 06:51:00 06:51:0030123 Madison/Wabash 06:52:00 06:52:0030038 Randolph/Wabash 06:53:00 06:53:0030051 State/Lake 06:54:00 06:54:0030075 Clark/Lake (Elevated) 06:55:00 06:55:0030090 Merchandise Mart 06:57:30 06:57:3030137 Chicago-Brown 06:59:30 06:59:3030155 Sedgwick 07:02:00 07:02:0030127 Armitage 07:06:00 07:06:0030235 Fullerton 07:08:00 07:08:0030103 Diversey 07:09:30 07:09:3030231 Wellington 07:10:30 07:10:3030257 Belmont 07:12:00 07:12:0030070 Southport 07:14:00 07:14:0030253 Paulina 07:16:00 07:16:0030277 Addison-Brown 07:17:00 07:17:0030281 Irving Park-Brown 07:18:00 07:18:0030287 Montrose-Brown 07:19:00 07:19:0030018 Damen-Brown 07:20:30 07:20:3030283 Western-Brown 07:22:00 07:22:0030195 Rockwell 07:23:00 07:23:0030167 Francisco 07:24:30 07:24:3030225 Kedzie-Brown 07:25:30 07:25:3030249 Kimball 07:27:00 07:27:00Trip id=37055011869, days of week = Weekday30131 Adams/Wabash 07:05:00 07:05:0030123 Madison/Wabash 07:06:00 07:06:0030038 Randolph/Wabash 07:07:00 07:07:0030051 State/Lake 07:08:00 07:08:0030075 Clark/Lake (Elevated) 07:09:00 07:09:0030090 Merchandise Mart 07:11:30 07:11:3030137 Chicago-Brown 07:13:30 07:13:3030155 Sedgwick 07:16:00 07:16:0030127 Armitage 07:20:00 07:20:0030235 Fullerton 07:22:00 07:22:0030103 Diversey 07:23:30 07:23:3030231 Wellington 07:24:30 07:24:3030257 Belmont 07:26:00 07:26:0030070 Southport 07:28:00 07:28:0030253 Paulina 07:30:00 07:30:0030277 Addison-Brown 07:31:00 07:31:0030281 Irving Park-Brown 07:32:00 07:32:0030287 Montrose-Brown 07:33:00 07:33:0030018 Damen-Brown 07:34:30 07:34:3030283 Western-Brown 07:36:00 07:36:0030195 Rockwell 07:37:00 07:37:0030167 Francisco 07:38:30 07:38:3030225 Kedzie-Brown 07:39:30 07:39:3030249 Kimball 07:41:00 07:41:00Trip id=37055011910, days of week = Weekday30131 Adams/Wabash 07:19:00 07:19:0030123 Madison/Wabash 07:20:00 07:20:0030038 Randolph/Wabash 07:21:00 07:21:0030051 State/Lake 07:22:00 07:22:0030075 Clark/Lake (Elevated) 07:23:00 07:23:0030090 Merchandise Mart 07:25:30 07:25:3030137 Chicago-Brown 07:27:30 07:27:3030155 Sedgwick 07:30:00 07:30:0030127 Armitage 07:34:00 07:34:0030235 Fullerton 07:36:00 07:36:0030103 Diversey 07:37:30 07:37:3030231 Wellington 07:38:30 07:38:3030257 Belmont 07:40:00 07:40:0030070 Southport 07:42:00 07:42:0030253 Paulina 07:44:00 07:44:0030277 Addison-Brown 07:45:00 07:45:0030281 Irving Park-Brown 07:46:00 07:46:0030287 Montrose-Brown 07:47:00 07:47:0030018 Damen-Brown 07:48:30 07:48:3030283 Western-Brown 07:50:00 07:50:0030195 Rockwell 07:51:00 07:51:0030167 Francisco 07:52:30 07:52:3030225 Kedzie-Brown 07:53:30 07:53:3030249 Kimball 07:55:00 07:55:00 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CURRENTZ_09 Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 Kindly check post #7 in this thread; we have the schedule from the CTA's published data for at least the Brown Line half of that run. Your times are pretty close, though; one major difference is the run actually goes over Wells and Van Buren, rather than Lake and Wabash, on its way south. Well, why would the Brown Line go through the loop as a Brown Line, im assuming that the Trip would Clark/Lake 1st, since going through tower 18, it would change as an Orange Line Train and operate south to Midway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
See Tea Eh Posted December 19, 2012 Report Share Posted December 19, 2012 Well, why would the Brown Line go through the loop as a Brown Line, im assuming that the Trip would Clark/Lake 1st, since going through tower 18, it would change as an Orange Line Train and operate south to Midway Because it's a Brown Line train. Its purpose is to provide extra capacity on the Brown Line. That the equipment is coming from/heading to Midway is incidental. The hundreds of people on that train in the middle of the morning rush would be none too pleased if that train turned left at Tower 18, because they boarded that train with the full intention of it operating into the loop as a Brown Line. The Orange Line doesn't need any extra southbound capacity in the morning, so throwing it around the inner loop would just be a waste. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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