andrethebusman Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 I am attaching the all-time PACE bus roster that I have kept up over the years. Please let me know if there are any errors or ommissions!PACE.TXT 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buslist Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 I am attaching the all-time PACE bus roster that I have kept up over the years. Please let me know if there are any errors or ommissions!PACE.TXT Andris, Maybe I'm just missing them but did any JMTD buses make it to PACE? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted November 2, 2012 Report Share Posted November 2, 2012 Andris, Maybe I'm just missing them but did any JMTD buses make it to PACE? Chicago Transit and Railfan has some on its Pace roster page. I suppose that both lists came from the same source. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busfan2847 Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 Andris, Maybe I'm just missing them but did any JMTD buses make it to PACE? Probably not. The takeover of Joliet MTD was not without a fight! A search on the web came up with this Chicago Tribune article. "Fearing a shutdown of its public bus system, Joliet has dissolved its beleaguered transit district and is handing the operation over to Pace, the suburban bus arm of the RTA. The action Wednesday by the Joliet City Council all but completes Pace`s takeover of the Joliet Mass Transit District, which started when Pace was forced to jump-start bus service for handicapped riders after Joliet had suspended it to repair vehicles last August. Pace and the transit district ``were at loggerheads and it had gotten to the stage where personalities were involved,`` Joliet Mayor Charles Connor said Thursday. ``It was a situation that was deteriorating rapidly,`` Pace Chairman Florence Boone agreed, referring to a 4-month-old standoff with the five-member Joliet transit district board that worsened after Pace`s board voted Dec. 6 to deny Joliet a contract for 1990. ``They wouldn`t meet with us (for an orderly transfer of power),`` Boone said of the transit district, which ran fixed-route and Dial-a-Ride bus service in Joliet under contract with Pace. Earlier in December, the transit board`s attorney vowed to go down swinging in court if Pace attempted to stop its funding. But as Connor put it, ``Pace held all the cards, and we felt the city was in a better position to bargain`` than was the transit district, though at one point a lawsuit was considered. ``We talked with our legislators, and we talked with our corporation counsel,`` Connor said. ``But we had very little solid ground on which to stand. We couldn`t find anything that said they (Pace) couldn`t take our funding.`` ``It`s a relief to have the situation finally resolved,`` Connor said, adding that the four months of warfare between Pace and the transit district might have been avoided had the city paid better attention to what the transit district was doing. ``The city did not monitor the situation well enough,`` Connor said. ``JMTD did make mistakes. But I`m not sure the death penalty was fair.`` Nonetheless, on Wednesday the Joliet City Council, which for 20 years has appointed the transit district board, carried out the sentence, dissolving the district and entering into an intergovernmental agreement itself with Pace. The agreement, which the Pace board also approved Wednesday, will itself dissolve after federal officials approve the transfer of assets from the defunct transit district to Pace, according to Joseph DiJohn, Pace`s executive director. That could take about three months, DiJohn said. Joliet`s fall is the first hostile takeover of an established suburban or collar-county bus system by Pace. Last month, Pace assumed control of the Aurora bus system, but it did so at the city`s request. The Joliet City Council is expected to appoint an advisory council to meet regularly with Pace and provide local input on transit issues. But no changes are expected in service or in the number of workers employed to run the system. In fact, Local 241 of the Amalgamated Transit Union, which also represents CTA workers, on Wednesday dropped its suit to protect the livelihoods of the half-dozen or so employees who ran Joliet`s Dial-a-Ride service after Pace agreed to give those workers jobs elsewhere in the system. Pace contracted last month with Crawford Bus Co. of Lockport to run Dial- a-Ride buses in Joliet and six nearby townships. But considering the size of Joliet`s total operation-between 60 and 70 employees-the handful of union workers on the paratransit side were easily absorbed, DiJohn said. Pace charged the Joliet Mass Transit District with breach of contract Aug. 21 after the district pulled all of its Dial-a-Ride buses off the street for repairs. A tentative settlement reached in October would have allowed Joliet to retain control of its fixed-route buses, while surrendering handicapped routes in six neighboring townships to Pace. But the Joliet district balked at signing the agreement. And that, coupled with a $200,000 year-end budget deficit, rubbed Pace the wrong way. Said Boone, ``There was game playing going up to the very end.``" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busfan2847 Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 I am attaching the all-time PACE bus roster that I have kept up over the years. Please let me know if there are any errors or ommissions!PACE.TXT When were the Elgin vehicles taken over by RTA. Elgin DOT was the operator until 1991. Surely the Twin Coaches were not still operating? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 Probably not. The takeover of Joliet MTD was not without a fight! ... The agreement, which the Pace board also approved Wednesday, will itself dissolve after federal officials approve the transfer of assets from the defunct transit district to Pace, according to Joseph DiJohn, Pace`s executive director. ... From the quoted material I put in bold, it appears that some assets were transferred. Apparently there was a similar scenario with Nortran, but we know that Pace picked up those buses. In both cases, though, by the time of the takeover, both were using mostly RTA equipment. News reports about Nortran at the time basically said they couldn't resist, because by 1990 or 1991, Pace owned most of the equipment on Nortran routes. When were the Elgin vehicles taken over by RTA. Elgin DOT was the operator until 1991. Surely the Twin Coaches were not still operating? Elgin got some 8000s in 1977 or so, but Mel Bernero had pictures of the Elgin Twin Coaches running Wilmette routes. I'm not having much luck with the way Photobucket was redesigned, but some of those appear on the RTA page. 1065, 1067, 1068. You need cookies enabled for any of this to work. Caveat: Except for the "about 1977," I wasn't around for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Railwaymodeler Posted November 3, 2012 Report Share Posted November 3, 2012 Should be plenty of Wilmette photos at the Wilbus/Highland Park Highlander Facebook group: http://www.facebook.com/groups/68552486634/?fref=ts I'm a member of the group myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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