platform signage error

[Zol87]

I was looking up the address of the Rosemont Blue line station and I noticed it is just north of the Hyatt O'Hare hotel. I looked up the address of the hotel out of curiosity; 9300 Bryn Mawr Avenue,

Rosemont, Illinois, USA 60018. Now the Hotel is 9300W on Bryn Mawr and the CTA station sign reads "Rosemont (5800N/10500W)" this doesn't make sense. it should read something like Rosemont (5800N/9200W). here is a photo of the station sign as well as a map. For some reason Google doesn't recognize Rosemont so the city is was listed as Des Plaines instead of Rosemont.

Google Map

[Busjack]

You are correct, but I am sure the usual CTA response is that it isn't in the city anyway, so how would they know.

[Tcmetro]

Although this is OT, the wikipedia page for Rosemont makes the place seem scary (not high-crime scary).

[jajuan]

Also the question is is Rosemont one of those suburbs that uses the city's street number system instead of its own separate numbering system, such as say Oak Park or Evanston.

[Busjack]

Although this is OT, the wikipedia page for Rosemont makes the place seem scary (not high-crime scary).

Most of the stuff under Reputation doesn't conform to Wikipedia's neutral point of view rule. Note all the "citation needed" tags, although some of the things, like the casino having its license lifted, are true.

Basically, Rosemont only exists because of the things associated with O'Hare (hotels, convention center, theatre, Allstate Arena, etc.). It would be only the gated community and a trailer park, otherwise. Since there aren't enough voters there to make a difference, the Stevens family has taken charge.

However, there are other communities south on Mannheim Road with alleged mob influence, sleazy adult bookstores and the like. Also, the mayor of Niles in under indictment at the moment. And if you think there is democracy anywhere in Illinois, or public servants who care....

This isn't Minnesota. In fact, I advocated Lanny the Genius Poffo running for Governor if he still lives in Downers Grove (in the image of Jesse the Body Ventura).

[artthouwill]

Technically, River Rd is 9400W, with the Hyatt Hotel being east of River Rd on Bryn Mawr. The old River Rd signage was correct, and the hotel isin Rosemont, not Desplaines. The 10500W designation is for Manheim Rd. Basically, the Google map is incorrect in labeling the hotel in Des Plaines,. Sometimes Google is off, so I try not to use it. But since CTA uses Google, there will be some goof ups.

Perhaps since "Rosemont" the suburb ends at Manheim Rd, that is why the erroneous designation at the Rosemont L stop.

[Chicago13]

Technically, River Rd is 9400W, with the Hyatt Hotel being east of River Rd on Bryn Mawr. The old River Rd signage was correct, and the hotel isin Rosemont, not Desplaines. The 10500W designation is for Manheim Rd. Basically, the Google map is incorrect in labeling the hotel in Des Plaines,. Sometimes Google is off, so I try not to use it. But since CTA uses Google, there will be some goof ups.

Perhaps since "Rosemont" the suburb ends at Manheim Rd, that is why the erroneous designation at the Rosemont L stop.

It is in Rosemont, but the village of Rosemont is served by the Des Plaines post office. Google Maps, like most mapping software, uses the zip code to locate places. So if you were to mail anything to that address you'd have to address it as "9300 Bryn Mawr Des Plaines, Illinois 60018".

Another example is a section of northeastern Skokie south of Golf Rd. & west of McCormick Blvd. that has an Evanston zip code. For example, 9500 Lawndale is in Skokie, but has the Evanston zip code of 60203. So anything addressed to that location would be "9500 Lawndale Evanston, Illinois 60203"

As to the signage, yeah it's wrong. 10500 west would put the station west of Mannheim Rd., which we all know it ain't.

[Chicago13]

Also the question is is Rosemont one of those suburbs that uses the city's street number system instead of its own separate numbering system, such as say Oak Park or Evanston.

Yes it does use an extension of the City's street number system as does Shiller Park & Franklin Park. Des Plaines uses it's own system like Oak Park & Evanston do.

[greenstreet]

It is in Rosemont, but the village of Rosemont is served by the Des Plaines post office. Google Maps, like most mapping software, uses the zip code to locate places. So if you were to mail anything to that address you'd have to address it as "9300 Bryn Mawr Des Plaines, Illinois 60018".

Another example is a section of northeastern Skokie south of Golf Rd. & west of McCormick Blvd. that has an Evanston zip code. For example, 9500 Lawndale is in Skokie, but has the Evanston zip code of 60203. So anything addressed to that location would be "9500 Lawndale Evanston, Illinois 60203"

As to the signage, yeah it's wrong. 10500 west would put the station west of Mannheim Rd., which we all know it ain't.

No, if a building or location is in Rosemont, you address mail to Rosemont; if a building is in Skokie you address it to Skokie. Doesn't matter which suburb's post office serves it.

But to bring this back OT, as many have pointed out, the station signage is incorrect. Interestingly, the generally-accurate Chicago-L.org site actually perpetuates the error. It also lists the address of that station as 10500W. It goes on to put the coordinates of O'Hare station at 11200W. That's less than a mile (seven standard blocks). There's no way that O'Hare is less than a miler from Rosemont. It's more like 2 miles.

[Chicago13]

No, if a building or location is in Rosemont, you address mail to Rosemont; if a building is in Skokie you address it to Skokie. Doesn't matter which suburb's post office serves it.

Wrong. I've worked in a service industry that routes dozens of service calls to people's homes every day for nearly 30 years. When we ask customers for their address, they give the name of the town where the post office is located , not the actual town the address is located because we route by zip code. An example of which is the 9500 Lawndale address I used in my previous post (which has an Evanston zip code). When we send the bills, it is addressed as such as well. (9500 Lawndale, Evanston, Illinois 60203) That is the proper way to address such mail according to the U.S. Postal Service.

[Tcmetro]

I would assume that if a zip code covers more than one municipality than you can put either one of the names of the towns in the adress. Maybe this only happens in some cases, like when several towns are merged, etc.

[Zol87]

Technically, River Rd is 9400W, with the Hyatt Hotel being east of River Rd on Bryn Mawr. The old River Rd signage was correct, and the hotel isin Rosemont, not Desplaines. The 10500W designation is for Manheim Rd. Basically, the Google map is incorrect in labeling the hotel in Des Plaines,. Sometimes Google is off, so I try not to use it. But since CTA uses Google, there will be some goof ups.

Perhaps since "Rosemont" the suburb ends at Manheim Rd, that is why the erroneous designation at the Rosemont L stop.

Here is a photo of the old signage on the city's website. However I can't read the coordinates. Do you remember them?

[artthouwill]

Here is a photo of the old signage on the city's website. However I can't read the coordinates. Do you remember them?

I remember. It said River Rd, 5700N 9400W. This was the correct signage. I believe that Mayor Donald Stephens asked CTA to change the station name to Rosemont to reflect the community and CTA obliged. Why the coordinates from the original signage wasn't used, I don't know, but clearly someone was thinking Manheim Rd instead of River Rd when the new signs were created.

[chgofan78]

Has anyone been to the inbound platform at Ashland/Lake lately? This station serves the Green and Pink Lines. I was looking at the small platform signage that shows the first letter of the station name and destinations of the routes stopping there and instead of showing "to Loop" in pink, it is shown in purple. I wonder how that mistake was made?

[artthouwill]

How about this! AT Ashland, the sign shows 1600W and 200N, but at thenext station on the Green Line west at California, thesign shows 2800W but 120N, even though Lake St runs in a straight line at that point. As you proceed west, Lake St goes slightly NW, then the signs at Kedzie show 3200W and 200N

How does Lake St go from 200N to 120N?

[Chicago13]

How about this! AT Ashland, the sign shows 1600W and 200N, but at thenext station on the Green Line west at California, thesign shows 2800W but 120N, even though Lake St runs in a straight line at that point. As you proceed west, Lake St goes slightly NW, then the signs at Kedzie show 3200W and 200N

How does Lake St go from 200N to 120N?

Lake St. actually does slant slightly southwest between Western & California, so it does go from being 200 N to 120 N before turning northwest west of there.

[artthouwill]

Lake St. actually does slant slightly southwest between Western & California, so it does go from being 200 N to 120 N before turning northwest west of there.

I will have to look at that the next time I go through there. I do know that the tracks narrow as they cross over the railroad tracks about 2600W, which causes Lake St to be narrow enough to use 96'" wide buses (when Lake St had a bus route).

[jajuan]

I will have to look at that the next time I go through there. I do know that the tracks narrow as they cross over the railroad tracks about 2600W, which causes Lake St to be narrow enough to use 96'" wide buses (when Lake St had a bus route).

Chicago13 is correct. Lake does slant slightly SW approaching California, then slants slightly NW beyond that. Check out any later edition system map that shows the old 16 Lake or any general map of Chicago and those slight slants of Lake St are shown.

[dauber]

FWIW, the coordinates on the sign on the Davis stop are wrong, even going by Evanston's own grid. My wife and I got lost for a few minutes because of that. The east-west coordinate, according to the sign, is 800. My wife and I had to go to 836. We headed in one direction and got 850 without seeing our destination. 836 was on the OTHER side of the stop for some reason.