Busjack Posted May 31, 2007 Report Share Posted May 31, 2007 Ok. 1. It works for me(and I have a computer with some serious issues right now) 2. If you can access that clip of a New Flyer being driven, listen to it! I know it's a Mississauga Transit bus, ok? I didn't post it for that reason, I posted it for the reason that the bus sounds the same as our 5800-Series buses do today. To the other chicagobus.org members, I ask you to click this link and tell me what you think(if you can access it, I can with no sql errors). Tell me and Busjack if you think this bus model in the video sounds just like our 5800-Series buses. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wskYoauF7nI Although I don't believe sound comparisons prove much (except whether a bus has a transmission with a brake retarding function), why don't you be Tony Coppoletta, and the next time you ride 5851, tape record the sound and post a time stamped sound recording of it. Then find some standard Detroit Diesel (maybe a 4400) and post of tape of that. Who knows what engine is in the Mississauga bus? (The comments on YouTube say that one person likes the sound of the Mississauga MAN rear end; does any current Chicago bus have that?) Or better yet, the next time you see a disabled 5800 and take a picture of it, ask the driver to pop the back lid and take of picture of what is inside it. I have seen 4400s with open back hatches, and "Detroit Diesel" is certainly prominently printed on it. And if you click on the transitchicago link in your prior message, it does not work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwantae Posted May 31, 2007 Report Share Posted May 31, 2007 They purchased the Orion I's~ So... Not quite.Yes they Still do got Orion Is and I heard that they are going to be rehabbed because Most Pace driver preferred them as Nova Classic which are my favorites. And CTA still got rehabbed TMC RTS, Flxibles. I think All major big cities needs to have some High Floors always. Besides High Floors are more comfortable than low floors because on high floors I can see better and I dont like sitting in the back of the bus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwantae Posted May 31, 2007 Report Share Posted May 31, 2007 They purchased the Orion I's~ So... Not quite. Yes they Still do got Orion Is and I heard that they are going to be rehabbed because Most Pace driver preferred them as Nova Classic which are my favorites. And CTA still got rehabbed TMC RTS, Flxibles. I think All major big cities needs to have some High Floors always. Besides High Floors are more comfortable than low floors because on high floors I can see better and I dont like sitting in the back of the bus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwantae Posted May 31, 2007 Report Share Posted May 31, 2007 1) 15 of 77th's 40 artics were moved out about two months ago, with 7 going to North Park and 8 going to 103rd. There are still 25 artics left at 77th. No routes have been moved between garages in the past few months. 2) The 3 is *not* being extended to 103rd. The last service stop will be advertised as 95th and King Drive, and the bus will turn around via 99th to return northbound. The bus will not serve stops south of 95th. I'm not 100% sure, but it might have to do with operating rights along King Drive, though I could be wrong since I wasn't involved in that decision at all, and only recently learned that the route wouldn't carry passengers past 95th. The route would have ended at the Red Line if only there was room in the terminal for another route. Route 4 will end at 94th & Burnside. No wonder I've rode few 7700(7725 and 7723) series on 14 Jeffery express, Plus Seen 4609 and other 46-- on #79 and #29 and they both were from NP or 103rd. What was going on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted May 31, 2007 Report Share Posted May 31, 2007 Plus Seen 4609 and other 46-- on #79 and #29 and they both were from NP or 103rd.Did they have P or 03 windshield stickers? Some 4400s, primarily in the 4800s, started at 77th and never left there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sw4400 Posted May 31, 2007 Report Share Posted May 31, 2007 Although I don't believe sound comparisons prove much (except whether a bus has a transmission with a brake retarding function), why don't you be Tony Coppoletta, and the next time you ride 5851, tape record the sound and post a time stamped sound recording of it. Then find some standard Detroit Diesel (maybe a 4400) and post of tape of that. Who knows what engine is in the Mississauga bus? (The comments on YouTube say that one person likes the sound of the Mississauga MAN rear end; does any current Chicago bus have that?) Or better yet, the next time you see a disabled 5800 and take a picture of it, ask the driver to pop the back lid and take of picture of what is inside it. I have seen 4400s with open back hatches, and "Detroit Diesel" is certainly prominently printed on it. And if you click on the transitchicago link in your prior message, it does not work. Busjack, There are director comments. Click the "more" tab to the right of the video where it starts to say "Ride aboard Mississagua Transit's 1997...." and read that comment. BTW Busjack, a TMC has a different Detroit... a 6v71 I believe(totally different sound...almost like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVRvbHWQBWA.) A series-50 is different. So, why don't you listen to the sounds of this clip's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wskYoauF7nI engine being driven, then go to a route that uses a 5800-series bus and ride one and you will hear the comparison(I can because I ride the #11 almost daily, where 1 out of every 5 or 6 buses is a 5800.) If after you do this and you still don't think they sound the same, fine. But they are, and I'm sticking to that fact! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buslover88 Posted May 31, 2007 Report Share Posted May 31, 2007 They purchased the Orion I's~ So... Not quite. Well, the Orions are exceptions...I mean buses like the TMCs and Fixibles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmadisonwi Posted June 1, 2007 Report Share Posted June 1, 2007 The 5800s have Detroits in them. Whether they have the same engine now that they had when they were delivered, I don't know. Based on the text of the articles noted in this thread, they probably have the Series 50 EGR engine. The artic in the video has a Series 50 mated with an Allison transmission. CTA's buses have ZF transmissions (the transmission also impacts what a bus "sounds like"). For what it's worth, the 6000s also have series 50s. I believe the engines in the 4400s are 6V92s, but am not 100% sure of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted June 1, 2007 Report Share Posted June 1, 2007 I'll accept rmadisonwi's explanation because he is in a position to know, and it makes sense. However, I'm not playing sw's "Name that Tune" game in the absence of direct evidence and your repeated refusal to post a valid transitchicago link (especially when you had previously acknowledged that some engines in 5800s had been changed; the inference I am now accepting is that the Cummings had been exchanged for the 50EGRs). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sw4400 Posted June 1, 2007 Report Share Posted June 1, 2007 I'll accept rmadisonwi's explanation because he is in a position to know, and it makes sense. However, I'm not playing sw's "Name that Tune" game in the absence of direct evidence and your repeated refusal to post a valid transitchicago link (especially when you had previously acknowledged that some engines in 5800s had been changed; the inference I am now accepting is that the Cummings had been exchanged for the 50EGRs). http://www.transitchicago.com/news/archpre...rticleid=124582 Does this article show that perhaps the series-50 Detroits were not replaced, just upgraded? Paragraphs 11 & 12. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmadisonwi Posted June 1, 2007 Report Share Posted June 1, 2007 http://www.transitchicago.com/news/archpre...rticleid=124582 Does this article show that perhaps the series-50 Detroits were not replaced, just upgraded? Paragraphs 11 & 12. Paragraph 12 in your link is referring to the 6000s, which apparently just had their engines rehabbed. A different link said the 5800s' engines were replaced with new engines. So, long story short, you're both right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwantae Posted June 4, 2007 Report Share Posted June 4, 2007 It depends on which series you're referring to, rmadisonwi. The 1994 D40LF's(5800-Series) have had their share of issues, and we did lose several to fires in the first few years. I'll agree with you that the Detroit Diesel Series-50 engine is terrible. This is the engine the 5800's are equipped with. Many a time, these buses squeal like there are some worn belts in there, not to mention they creak and moan when being driven. IMO, they may not make it to 2010. The 2006 D40LF's(1000-Series) are much better than their predecessors. These buses are equipped with a low-emission Cummins Series engine. They are the fastest buses we have in the fleet so far. The DE40LF's(800-Series) are a very questionable hybrid series. Not even a year old, and they start breaking down? It's a good thing we only ordered 10 of the GM/Alison Series. Maybe the ISE Thundervolts will be a little better. Look here, this is a pic of a 5800 with a Series-50 Detroit looking almost like it's leaking fuel while broke down. http://forum.chicagobus.org/index.php?s=&a...post&p=4554 Unbelieveable, CTA has got to have the oldest New Flyer Low Floor (1994), funny. only over 60 of them. Hate to say it but I like the way they sound better than 1000s. 5800s sounds almost similar to MANs (4000s and 7300s) when accelerates and stopping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmadisonwi Posted June 5, 2007 Report Share Posted June 5, 2007 No. The first New Flyer low floors were built in the late 1980s. The oldest New Flyer low floors that I've ridden were operated by BC Transit in Victoria, and are (I believe) from 1992 or so. Those are still in service as far as I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pace2322 Posted June 5, 2007 Report Share Posted June 5, 2007 Has anyone notice how the nabis lean in the back well i know why. There are not made for the loads there get . The articulat join on them are not make for the pack loads there get . So what i have been told if that does not get fix we are going to see alot of nabis back in two. Thats nic eto know when ones going down the drive at 45 mph and that can happing to it isnt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pace2322 Posted June 5, 2007 Report Share Posted June 5, 2007 Has anyone notice how the nabis lean in the back well i know why. There are not made for the loads there get . The articulat join on them are not make for the pack loads there get . So what i have been told if that does not get fix we are going to see alot of nabis coming apart in two. Thats nice to know when ones going down the drive at 45 mph and that can happing to it isnt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joey12volt Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 I have been on 2 of these crap buses that break down on LSD. TWICE in one week and it's ONLY Thursday!?!?!? The CTA maint is crap or the bus is.. not sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwantae Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 I have been on 2 of these crap buses that break down on LSD. TWICE in one week and it's ONLY Thursday!?!?!? The CTA maint is crap or the bus is.. not sure. I wish that CTA still has 1982-1983 MAN Articulated buses, those were very good buses, they ride smoother, never saw them breaking down, plus they drive faster than NABI and other buses in 2000s models. I was really mad that they were retired especially the ones from Seattle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabi 7702 Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 The Nabi Articulated buses are not that bad, plus they help the CTA transport heavier loads of passengers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 The Nabi Articulated buses are not that bad, plus they help the CTA transport heavier loads of passengers.You seem to be the only NABI supporter here (even the CTA says that the articulateds have problems). Why don't you duke it out with pace2322 (figuratively, of course)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buslover88 Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 I'm SOMEWHAT of a NABI supporter. While North Park and 77th's NABIS are fine, you can forget it with Kedzie's NABIS. When I rode #82 Kimball-Homan recently, the bus broke down because of it's "problems". We had to wait 25 minutes for a TMC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabi 7702 Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 You seem to be the only NABI supporter here (even the CTA says that the articulateds have problems). Why don't you duke it out with pace2322 (figuratively, of course)? I'm not duking anything out with pace2322. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabi 7702 Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 I'm SOMEWHAT of a NABI supporter. While North Park and 77th's NABIS are fine, you can forget it with Kedzie's NABIS. When I rode #82 Kimball-Homan recently, the bus broke down because of it's "problems". We had to wait 25 minutes for a TMC. Do you have an opinion on the Nabis at 103rd Garage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabi 7702 Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 You seem to be the only NABI supporter here (even the CTA says that the articulateds have problems). Why don't you duke it out with pace2322 (figuratively, of course)? What are you talking about? The Nabi Articulated buses that the CTA has are great buses: they have a great design and a nice looking seating arrangement. Who cares if a few of them break down, I mean every kind of bus can break down at any point of its life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 Maybe you should read Ask Carole, such as here, here, here, and here, among others. There are numerous posts there about how the buses have bad suspensions (of course from North Side riders). The Tribune (cite to the archives) reported that the articulation joint is bad (see also post 4925) and that the engines operating the back doors are not in alignment, so the back doors are slow opening. The Tribune also reported that CTA was withholding the final payment pending NABI making good on warranty work, but this caused a problem since NABI (at least under the Hungarian fund management) was not in good financial condition, and NABI replied that if it didn't get the money it couldn't afford to make the repairs. One of the buses had a fire on Lake Shore Drive. We also had someone who appears to work for CTA say that he heard that maybe 25% are out of service at any given time. That doesn't hit me as a good record. With regard to 40 footers, while pace2322 says the only good NABI is the one on the scrap line (i.e. 6173), he described in post 4724 some specific complaints about the ones in South Division. I don't know if there are comparable complaints about the ones in the other Pace divisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pace2322 Posted July 6, 2007 Report Share Posted July 6, 2007 Are u nuts? How can u like them. Any nabi sux there all junk and the blue ones at west are worst then the ones we have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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