jajuan Posted April 11, 2009 Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 The 10 has been rolling with "5" in the run box. Not sure if it is the xtra spring break service or a permanent change. That could be it. Otherwise I'll stick with Kevin's info about it's assignment at K. This is the time of year that the 10 runs weekends only, so no one's bound to see a K run on the weekday. If it had the Chicago 'extras' run rumbers then that would indicate it's just the extra spring break service and not a garage reassignment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJL6000 Posted April 11, 2009 Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 Also certain L cars have been retired. There's a 2007 roster here For instance for the #2200's #2257 -58 ( #2258 burned at Kedzie/Congress #2257 retained as a non revenue car),#2289 -90 (Damaged beyond repair after falling off the "L" structure at Lake/wabash in 1977) #2307 -08, #2315- 16 ( burned at Skokie shops in seperate incident after failed suicide attempt damaged train.) and #2341 -42 have been retired. There have been a few changes to pink line and blue line assignments since then like all #2200's are on the blue now and #3200 - #3160? have moved to pink line service. For the retired 2200s, #2307 and #2316 were not retired, but actually re-mated together and renumbered #2351-52. Only 150 2200-series cars (#2201-2350) were originally delivered to the CTA in 1969. And the 2600-series cars now assigned to the Pink Line are specifically units #3157-3200 -- 44 cars in all. Other retired CTA "L" cars are #2447-48, #2470, #2481, #2503, #2517-18, #2532, #2792, #2855 and #3031. Unit #2977-78 is also on long-term hold. Car #2469 was later re-mated with #2504, #2531 with #2482 and #2791 with #2856. Car #3032 was renumbered #3458 and mated to a special-order 3200-series car #3457. (As with the 2200 series, only 256 3200-series cars, #3201-3456, were part of the true 3200-series order.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted April 11, 2009 Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 I think you are now starting to see how this is an impossible task from afar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VintageSoul Posted April 11, 2009 Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 I think you are now starting to see how this is an impossible task from afar. Not to be a smart ass, but speak for yourself. We don't operate on a "Can't Do" function at TTMG. We enjoy maintaining rosters, and we maintain a NYMTA which consist of close to 5000 buses, NJT roster which is close to 2000 buses, SEPTA and so on. We can handle Chicago's system, don't see anyone IN chicago doing it, are you gonna do it? If the guys that have already "contributed" to helping keep helping, then it can be done. Thats how things get done, Teamwork. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted April 11, 2009 Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 Not to be a smart ass, but speak for yourself. We don't operate on a "Can't Do" function at TTMG. We enjoy maintaining rosters, and we maintain a NYMTA which consist of close to 5000 buses, NJT roster which is close to 2000 buses, SEPTA and so on. We can handle Chicago's system, don't see anyone IN chicago doing it, are you gonna do it? If the guys that have already "contributed" to helping keep helping, then it can be done. Thats how things get done, Teamwork.No, because with a complete garage shift every two weeks (we have noted buses going from 74th to K to FG to NP to 74th to wherever in about a month, or a new bus delivered to 103 showing up on route 74 two days later), it is impossible. So, if you are can do people, come to Chicago and track it. I'm not going to correct the internet for you. (I've tried it before by corresponding with the authors of other sites, and it never works.) And as I noted then, Chicago DOES NOT HAVE DEPOTS. Also, we (except for the ex-governor and his wife Potti) don't have potty mouths, at least with regard to posting it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VintageSoul Posted April 11, 2009 Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 No, because with a complete garage shift every two weeks (we have noted buses going from 74th to K to FG to NP to 74th to wherever in about a month, or a new bus delivered to 103 showing up on route 74 two days later), it is impossible. So, if you are can do people, come to Chicago and track it. I'm not going to correct the internet for you. And as I noted then, Chicago DOES NOT HAVE DEPOTS. Also, we (except for the ex-governor and his wife Potty) don't have potty mouths, at least with regard to posting it. We shift buses EVERYDAY in New York. As a a matter of fact we move more buses around weekly than any other operation in the US as of right now. Every two weeks is a joke. Oh, forgot to mention, It does help that I'm best friends with one of CTA's Ops managers which is how I obtained the April 1st Fleet roster. So I do have some inside information at the touch of my phone. If you have a problem with us maintaining the roster, then you do it. Otherwise, sit back relax and appreciate that someone out there is trying it, instead of being "Mr. Negative." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted April 11, 2009 Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 It does help that I'm best friends with one of CTA's Ops managers which is how I obtained the April 1st Fleet roster. So I do have some inside information at the touch of my phone. Oh, another member of the secret cult of the roster (which, as we found out with regard to buses 910-939 was wrong). At least you said you got it from an Ops manager. Since it seems like I am the only one not on the mailing list, why don't you post how the rest of us can get on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VintageSoul Posted April 11, 2009 Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 And as I noted then, Chicago DOES NOT HAVE DEPOTS. Also, we (except for the ex-governor and his wife Potti) don't have potty mouths, at least with regard to posting it. Oh and we KNOW about Chicago not using the term DEPOT, thats why if you LOOK at the roster, it says Kedzie Garage, 74th Garage, 103rd Garage. The name of the file is just Bus Depot Roster, because we keep page names uniform at TTMG. But ON the roster they are called GARAGES. Please Have A Nice Day and Cut It Out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VintageSoul Posted April 11, 2009 Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 Oh, another member of the secret cult of the roster. At least you said you got it from an Ops manager. Since it seems like I am the only one not on the mailing list, why don't you post how the rest of us can get on it. Are you serious, how old are you? Come on now, if you know ANYTHING about maintaining connections and not burning bridges, you NEVER give names and phone numbers out to internal connections, I Never have and don't plan on starting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted April 11, 2009 Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 Are you serious, how old are you? Come on now, if you know ANYTHING about maintaining connections and not burning bridges, you NEVER give names and phone numbers out to internal connections, I Never have and don't plan on starting. 59. I suggest you read the posting about the secret cult. If it is proprietary information, you shouldn't be posting it. Otherwise, there is no harm in answering my question. I only asked how to get on the mailing list, not the Ops Manager's name. And since you seem to have such impeccable and unimpeachable sources, you certainly don't need me to join your team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VintageSoul Posted April 11, 2009 Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 59. I suggest you read the posting about the secret cult. If it is proprietary information, you shouldn't be posting it. Otherwise, there is no harm in answering my question. I only asked how to get on the mailing list, not the Ops Manager's name. And since you seem to have such impeccable and unimpeachable sources, you certainly don't need me to join your team. I don't think the offer was out there in the first place. I got permission to make our roster with the information I received. Also, I'm not on a "mailing" list, I get my info on request, not in some daily e-mail. So I don't know what your are talking about there. As for the "cult of the roster" bull, you keep that BS with whomever you have an issue with prior to dealing with me. I invited people here to post what they see out there because as I said in a previous post, I don't burn my bridges and would rather only call my contacts in an extreme situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wordguy Posted April 11, 2009 Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 I don't think the offer was out there in the first place. I got permission to make our roster with the information I received. Also, I'm not on a "mailing" list, I get my info on request, not in some daily e-mail. So I don't know what your are talking about there. As for the "cult of the roster" bull, you keep that BS with whomever you have an issue with prior to dealing with me. I invited people here to post what they see out there because as I said in a previous post, I don't burn my bridges and would rather only call my contacts in an extreme situation. For posters who haven't familiarized themselves with ttmg.org yet, the site is well worth a look. The wealth of information, the graphics, and the spirited forums, with their sense of community, are all very impressive. As indicated on their homepage, they've been around for 11 years. As far as keeping the rosters up-to-date is concerned, contributions from dedicated transit buffs "out in the field" seem to work very well in New York. While it's probably not humanly possible to maintain a totally accurate roster there owing to the size of the system, it's as close as anyone can come to perfection. Here in Chicago, we have a tool that makes the job of maintaining a current roster relatively easy: BusTracker. Many of us can generally spot the difference between a loaner and a relatively permanent reassignment just by looking at numerical patterns. So, to briefly summarize, with the combination of community input as well as occasional inside info, I believe that maintenance of a detailed NEAR-perfect roster is doable. Speaking at least for myself, welcome aboard, NYC Transit Man and VintageSoul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted April 11, 2009 Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 Oh, another member of the secret cult of the roster (which, as we found out with regard to buses 910-939 was wrong). At least you said you got it from an Ops manager. Since it seems like I am the only one not on the mailing list, why don't you post how the rest of us can get on it. I don't feel that bad that I got that one wrong, besides Andre, the man that writes of various historical transit articles, got it wrong too and he is very credible. No sense in attacking me, it does no good. At least I tried. Like I said before I like these guys site and feel they are worth the investment of my time. Through teamwork, it can only get better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted April 11, 2009 Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 The 10 has been rolling with "5" in the run box. Not sure if it is the xtra spring break service or a permanent change. It was probably just extra service both thursday and friday 10's were rolling with Chicago buses #1988, #1908 and #1336 or 8 and #1449 among others. Today though they are Kedzie buses (#1227 among them. ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajuan Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 It was probably just extra service both thursday and friday 10's were rolling with Chicago buses #1988, #1908 and #1336 or 8 and #1449 among others. Today though they are Kedzie buses (#1227 among them. ) Pretty as santran and I noted was the most likely explanation. Remember, regular (not special) weekday service for the 10 doesn't start again until after Memorial Day at the end of next month. Had it been around that time, then it could've been said the 10 switched garages. In the interest of those maintaining that cool roster site, we have to remember a route's regular service pattern before making the leap that a route switched garages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cta 5555 Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 Extra Service that is all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 I don't feel that bad that I got that one wrong, besides Andre, the man that writes of various historical transit articles, got it wrong too and he is very credible.To clarify (since there is a question of an unclear antecedent), it was the roster that was wrong. Of course, those of you who want to rely on that source without disclosing it, that's the risk you take. However, again, if it is not proprietary information, please inform me about how I can get on the mailing list for the actual source. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYC TransitMan Posted April 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 For posters who haven't familiarized themselves with ttmg.org yet, the site is well worth a look. The wealth of information, the graphics, and the spirited forums, with their sense of community, are all very impressive. As indicated on their homepage, they've been around for 11 years. As far as keeping the rosters up-to-date is concerned, contributions from dedicated transit buffs "out in the field" seem to work very well in New York. While it's probably not humanly possible to maintain a totally accurate roster there owing to the size of the system, it's as close as anyone can come to perfection. Here in Chicago, we have a tool that makes the job of maintaining a current roster relatively easy: BusTracker. Many of us can generally spot the difference between a loaner and a relatively permanent reassignment just by looking at numerical patterns. So, to briefly summarize, with the combination of community input as well as occasional inside info, I believe that maintenance of a detailed NEAR-perfect roster is doable. Speaking at least for myself, welcome aboard, NYC Transit Man and VintageSoul. Thank you! It's a prviledge to be here on Chicago Forums. I hope to make NEW friends here and learn a bit more regarding Chicago's bus system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VintageSoul Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 For posters who haven't familiarized themselves with ttmg.org yet, the site is well worth a look. The wealth of information, the graphics, and the spirited forums, with their sense of community, are all very impressive. As indicated on their homepage, they've been around for 11 years. As far as keeping the rosters up-to-date is concerned, contributions from dedicated transit buffs "out in the field" seem to work very well in New York. While it's probably not humanly possible to maintain a totally accurate roster there owing to the size of the system, it's as close as anyone can come to perfection. Here in Chicago, we have a tool that makes the job of maintaining a current roster relatively easy: BusTracker. Many of us can generally spot the difference between a loaner and a relatively permanent reassignment just by looking at numerical patterns. So, to briefly summarize, with the combination of community input as well as occasional inside info, I believe that maintenance of a detailed NEAR-perfect roster is doable. Speaking at least for myself, welcome aboard, NYC Transit Man and VintageSoul. Thank you for the warm welcome and the kind words about TTMG. I hope you continue to enjoy the photos, videos, sounds clips, rosters and all the other host of things we provide over at TTMG. 11 Years....I had no idea when I started TTMG or what was Trevor's Bus Page back in 1998 that it would grow so big! I would also like to say that THIS site is awesome, I love the layout, also the wealth of information about Chicago. I visit Chicago at least twice a year so the information shared here helps when I visit. I should be visiting in May. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibebobo Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 Well, I personally am glad to see both of you here. Please be aware if you slip up once, there will be a certain person here that will be all over you. The rest of us (I'm sure, but no evidence) appreciate whatever you have to offer and realize this is a a site for enthusiasts and fans of the transit industry. Most here like a good discussion about many ideas and don't necessarily need 100% proof. After all, this is a hobby, isn't it??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYC TransitMan Posted April 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 15, 2009 Well, I personally am glad to see both of you here. Please be aware if you slip up once, there will be a certain person here that will be all over you. The rest of us (I'm sure, but no evidence) appreciate whatever you have to offer and realize this is a a site for enthusiasts and fans of the transit industry. Most here like a good discussion about many ideas and don't necessarily need 100% proof. After all, this is a hobby, isn't it??? I'm not worried because there are ALWAYS critics out there so I'm use to the "Naysayers". Thanks for the warm welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VintageSoul Posted May 23, 2009 Report Share Posted May 23, 2009 Hey all, thanks for those that continually contribute to the information, we have been able to keep somewhat of an accurate account of what buses are where... CTA Garage Assignment Roster The said roster was updated earlier today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeymc77 Posted May 23, 2009 Report Share Posted May 23, 2009 What exactly is the term "long term storage". The one Nova on the list is #6832 which I thought was scrapped following the Milwaukee Avenue accident Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VintageSoul Posted May 23, 2009 Report Share Posted May 23, 2009 What exactly is the term "long term storage". The one Nova on the list is #6832 which I thought was scrapped following the Milwaukee Avenue accident Though the bus may have been "scrapped," its still on the property. Which doesn't necessarily negates its completely gone. That could me anything from the bus sitting there while they pick off parts to they may attempt to fix the bus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted May 23, 2009 Report Share Posted May 23, 2009 Though the bus may have been "scrapped," its still on the property. Which doesn't necessarily negates its completely gone. That could me anything from the bus sitting there while they pick off parts to they may attempt to fix the bus.Also, that's the one where the driver knocked the front in by hitting a viaduct cantilevered support and was killed. That bus is not coming back, but probably is spending the rest of its FTA life in the yards. But, I guess that word doesn't get to Jersey or the Bronx, while the roster does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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