trainman8119 Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 Can someone please explain to me what the heck the CTA is crying about regarding Paratransit costs when they don't provide the service after dumping it off to Pace. Tribune Article Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busfan2847 Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 Can someone please explain to me what the heck the CTA is crying about regarding Paratransit costs when they don't provide the service after dumping it off to Pace. Tribune Article But it still a drain on the available money that RTA has to pass out to the three service boards. What they are saying is that if paratransit use increases like it has been doing the amount RTA has for conventional bus and train services will be reduced. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted November 14, 2012 Report Share Posted November 14, 2012 Can someone please explain to me what the heck the CTA is crying about regarding Paratransit costs when they don't provide the service after dumping it off to Pace. Tribune Article That one is easy to explain. Rep. Nekritz pushed through a bill, at Pace's behest, saying that paratransit "gets what it needs" off the top. That is now reflected in Section 2.01d of the RTA Act: "Sec. 2.01d. ADA Paratransit Fund. The Authority shall establish an ADA Paratransit Fund and, each year, deposit into that Fund the following amounts: (i) a base amount equal to $115,000,000 in 2012, and, each year thereafter, an amount equal to the final budgeted funding for ADA paratransit services for the current year." I commented at the time this was proposed that since it is off the top, there was no incentive for efficiency, and it would cut into fixed route service (I think I said destroy it). Look at recent Pace Minutes and budgets, which confirm that Pace expects the RTA to fund it, and that they don't see how it could become more efficient unless it gets $160 million in capital, and because the elderly population is rising. Also, as the article says, the cost has doubled since Carole Brown made a stink about it in 2005. You'll also note in the Pace budget that they get other "off the tops" such as the South Cook Jobs grant. Pace isn't really doing anything to earn that grant (which was proposed about the same time as the Harvey-Rosemont service), but just says "We spend more on South Division than the grant." So, it is a shell game, whose time is running out. Update: I see that 2847 beat me to the punch on the effect, but the reason is here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainman8119 Posted November 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Thank You. I think CTA (and Metra, I guess) would be better served by saying that the effect of Paratransit costs hurts them and not imply that this is part of their own operating budgets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted November 15, 2012 Report Share Posted November 15, 2012 Thank You. I think CTA (and Metra, I guess) would be better served by saying that the effect of Paratransit costs hurts them and not imply that this is part of their own operating budgets. I don't think the article said that. In fact it was fairly clear: From 2008 through this year, paratransit expenses have reduced the CTA's share of funding by $239 million and Metra's share by $194 million, according to an analysis of Regional Transportation Authority financial statements by the CTA, which is struggling to cobble together a 2013 budget that avoids fare hikes or service cuts. Now, the "cobble together" might have implied otherwise, but it is clear that like Carole Brown indicating in 2005 that paratransit was supposedly the cause of the then $54 million deficit, but then said that giving it to Pace didn't solve the problem, essentially because Pace would also get the money to operate it, there isn't a clear causal relationship between paratransit and Claypool not posting a budget on transitchicago.com as of this moment. In that the article says that paratransit is 5.4% of the RTA budget, but not that CTA is probably 50%, there may be an issue of the tail wagging the dog, but I suppose that every $million counts somewhat. Obviously, though, the numbers in the quoted portion are somewhat misleading, in that some level of paratransit service must be provided under federal law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted December 13, 2012 Report Share Posted December 13, 2012 The November Pace minutes provide a rather murky discussion of this. While it is quite clear that the Pace Board's opinion is that the rest of the RTA area is keeping CTA afloat despite its own failure to balance its budget, it isn't horribly clear about how much is state money vs. off the top of the sales tax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted February 8, 2015 Report Share Posted February 8, 2015 In another paratransit issue, it appears from the Pace awarded contracts page that MV is going to take over north Cook from First Transit (Glenview). From seeing where the vehicles are parked, apparently not yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted January 18, 2018 Report Share Posted January 18, 2018 Pace home page has an article on a paratransit audit, which says: The administrative deficiency concerned the need for the paratransit fare to be free where comparable fixed route service is community sponsored. Looks like folks in Niles will get free paratransit. It doesn't look like the village is going to pay for it, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted June 1, 2018 Report Share Posted June 1, 2018 Pace announced Trip Check, which lets one check the status of a trip or cancel it, but not book one. Brochure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel bernero Posted March 24, 2019 Report Share Posted March 24, 2019 Was CDT bought out by National Express. Saw this Road Supervisor van by their Racine garage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrethebusman Posted March 24, 2019 Report Share Posted March 24, 2019 Basic problem is that in Orwell's great statement "all are equal, but some are more equal than others." Paratransit is considered a "sacred cow" which is given all it wants, as it is considered as ADA mandated, whereas general public transit is not. In the end when the money starts running out, fixed route will be eliminated before paratransit gets touched. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bus fanatic30 Posted March 24, 2019 Report Share Posted March 24, 2019 15 hours ago, mel bernero said: Was CDT bought out by National Express. Saw this Road Supervisor van by their Racine garage. Yep, last year in July. We’re moving to 43rd and damen in April 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mel bernero Posted March 24, 2019 Report Share Posted March 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Bus fanatic30 said: Yep, last year in July. We’re moving to 43rd and damen in April Thanks for the info. Interesting wrap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted March 14, 2023 Report Share Posted March 14, 2023 March 2023 agenda indicates that the DuPage contract is going to SCR. I wonder if the change from Transdev is over all the complaints about driver shortages, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artthouwill Posted March 14, 2023 Report Share Posted March 14, 2023 28 minutes ago, Busjack said: March 2023 agenda indicates that the DuPage contract is going to SCR. I wonder if the change from Transdev is over all the complaints about driver shortages, The question is ud SCR can handle the additional work? Hopefully they aren't experiencing driver shortages I also wonder if and where they will open and operate a facility in the western burbs to fulfill this contract? Operating from 88th and Greenwood doesn't seem cist effective. Unless they plan to intermingle the city and suburban operations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted March 15, 2023 Report Share Posted March 15, 2023 22 hours ago, artthouwill said: The question is ud SCR can handle the additional work? Hopefully they aren't experiencing driver shortages I also wonder if and where they will open and operate a facility in the western burbs to fulfill this contract? Operating from 88th and Greenwood doesn't seem cist effective. Unless they plan to intermingle the city and suburban operations. All I can figure is that with Beacon Mobility behind them, for $87 million, SCR can figure it out. There was a proposal for a DuPage paratransit garage, but like everything after Plainfield, seems to have been put on the back burner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted March 15, 2023 Report Share Posted March 15, 2023 At the March meeting Director Marcucchi pointed out that SCR was not the lowest bidder, but was the most responsive one; had the best technical score. ADA ridership is back to prepandemic level, but TNCs needed to make up driver gap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted July 17, 2023 Report Share Posted July 17, 2023 From the agenda, looks like CDT (National Express) is getting the North Cook contract from MV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted August 16, 2023 Report Share Posted August 16, 2023 The Board was initially taken aback by this agenda item: "321 thousand; no 321 million." However, the video presentation points out that this is a 10-year project, similar to the Taxi Access Program, except using rideshare companies, and the Du Page Uber, due to the shortage of paratransit drivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted August 17 Report Share Posted August 17 Notice that there is a strike at SCR, so city passengers should expect delays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 On 8/17/2024 at 4:14 PM, Busjack said: Notice that there is a strike at SCR, so city passengers should expect delays. Sun-Times article with more details about the strike, including that SCR provides ADA service for CPS students. Since SCR is a private employer in interstate commerce, the stuff about "filing [for] an injunction" is, as recognized, b.s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artthouwill Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 10 hours ago, Busjack said: Sun-Times article with more details about the strike, including that SCR provides ADA service for CPS students. Since SCR is a private employer in interstate commerce, the stuff about "filing [for] an injunction" is, as recognized, b.s. What are Pace's legal obligations concerning SCR? WILL they exercise any patience that the strike will be resolved? Will they take steps to find another provider * contractor) and terminate the SCR contract due to breach of contract? That also bega the question of what provisions, if any, are in those Paratransit contracts related to work stoppages? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 12 minutes ago, artthouwill said: What are Pace's legal obligations concerning SCR? WILL they exercise any patience that the strike will be resolved? Will they take steps to find another provider * contractor) and terminate the SCR contract due to breach of contract? That also bega the question of what provisions, if any, are in those Paratransit contracts related to work stoppages? It's usually that the contractor has to account for missed trips, and I suppose Pace can terminate on proper notice (as it did when it suspended feeders), but since it has unified dispatch in CTA territory and you see RL. CL. FL. and ML buses all over the place, I guess that what Pace said in the notice governs. In the meantime, the CTA area contractors own their vehicles, so I suppose SCR/Beacon still has to make the payments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted September 5 Report Share Posted September 5 SCR and the Teamsters came to a tentative settlement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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