Buslover88 Posted November 9, 2008 Report Share Posted November 9, 2008 I said that some will remain at FG, which is hard to dispute at this point as others have mentioned, considering the current delivery schedule. First you said they "should" remain at FG, and now you say they "will" remain at FG. And how do you know this? FG may possibly lose their 6000s sooner or later to another garage (nobody please quote me on this though). I don't think all of us are saying that we want to see these buses around much longer, except for that few who advocate Kedzie and Chicago holding on to the 80 6000s they got in the swap with 74th a couple months ago while swapping out more 1000s to make room for hybrid articulateds they may receive. The point we're making is given what's currently on order counting the remaining 1000s yet to arrive and current order of 4000s plus the exercised option announced by NF, nothing past the complete retirement of 4400s, 5300s and 5800s and the half retirement of 6000s announced in past CTA President presentations will happen by early 2009. I can agree with this, but however, when do you think the rest of the 6000s will be retired (I already know there's an option of those 4000s to replace them all, but i'm looking for a possible time frame)? I personally have said numerous times that Kedzie and Chicago shouldn't be holding on to buses that are past their recommended retirement time just to swap more of their newer buses because a busfan may wish them to do so in a misguided act to hold on to junk. Sorry but doing as those busfans would like to see happen makes no sense. If you have a garage that is currently receiving more new buses as Kedzie currently is with the first deliveries of 4000s, you don't swap out relatively new buses that are currently there when there are 13 (soon to be 14) year old buses in a series set for partial retirement that can be swapped out. Go ahead and start with those 40 6000s and move on to Chicago's 40 next by putting 4000s there after Kedzie gets its share. I completey agree with you, jajuan. I think that's just a waste of time if you're giving a garage 6000s just to swap out your new buses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUSANGEL#1 Posted November 9, 2008 Report Share Posted November 9, 2008 You have a direct line from Sheila Gregory? Or Ron himself? The CTA Tattler seems to contradict you in other respects. And, if so, give us the allocation of the 150, or is it 208 DE60LFs now (including the correct number). Then we'll compare within a year. As the front page indicates, others don't know, but someone at CTA must. I don't have to have a direct line with Ron or Sheila for my info to be correct. I have my own connections and intelligence system. I already have the NF 1000 series schedule, the NF hybrid artics 4000 series will be given to me at a later date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted November 9, 2008 Report Share Posted November 9, 2008 I don't have to have a direct line with Ron or Sheila for my info to be correct. I have my own connections and intelligence system. I already have the NF 1000 series schedule, the NF hybrid artics 4000 series will be given to me at a later date.Be sure to post a copy of it. And I mean a verifiable scan. One that say, rmadison can confirm as real. Since you say you have the one for 1000s, you may attach it now. And don't pull a Dan Rather. Also, why don't you explain why you didn't give a "heads up" for the 80 bus 74th swap? P.S. I don't give credit for luck. Remember, I was the first to say that the 600s would have a different series number. (See here and here). And I admit that I have no inside information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cta 5555 Posted November 9, 2008 Report Share Posted November 9, 2008 Why do u have to do that to the 6000s? The 6000s are great buses, To me no one on here can say much if u dont drive them day in and day out. Well i drive them, So if i had my way i would allways have a 6000s or 5300s flx over a 1000s box. Just because there are old does not mean there are bad buses i see alot more 1000s in the shop then our 6000s any day. For me i have broke down with the 1000s alot more then any flx we have. I allmost do it once a week with our 1000s. So what does that say? Also i drive the 6000s alot to as must as i drive the 1000s. So how can u call a bus junk because of its age? To me its like u called someone that has a 1980s car that there drive and u called it junk because of its age. My point u can call something that is not to u get in the seat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted November 9, 2008 Report Share Posted November 9, 2008 So how can u call a bus junk because of its age? To me its like u called someone that has a 1980s car that there drive and u called it junk because of its age. ...The 1980s car is probably all rusted out, unless you spent $40,000 to restore a car you paid $9,000 for, when you can get a new one for $20,000 .... Which gets us to the question. Your statement that the 1000s are in the shop more than the 6000s does indicate that something is wrong with the 1000s, since one of CTA's goals was to minimize maintenance expenses. However, the answer might be that the repairs to the 1000s are still under warranty. Since the 6000s have appeared to be pretty dependable, are you saying that we are in for trouble with having 1050 buses of the same type? Added to the NABI problems? It is sort of like saying I bought a new Ford, when I could have had a Honda or Toyota. An interesting muse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buslover88 Posted November 9, 2008 Report Share Posted November 9, 2008 Why do u have to do that to the 6000s? The 6000s are great buses, To me no one on here can say much if u dont drive them day in and day out. Well i drive them, So if i had my way i would allways have a 6000s or 5300s flx over a 1000s box. Just because there are old does not mean there are bad buses i see alot more 1000s in the shop then our 6000s any day. Oh, so you're saying that they should roam the streets forever, despite their age? Then what happens when all of them are broken down after years and years of service? Personally, I don't want them to go, but they are past retirement time, so it's their time. Sorry for the disappointing news. I never said the 6000s were bad buses at all. They are really nice buses, but like I said before, they are going on 14 years old and they have to be retired sooner or later. Now if CTA decides to keep them around until they are 20 years old or more, fine with me, but I except no complaints from anyone about it. For me i have broke down with the 1000s alot more then any flx we have. I allmost do it once a week with our 1000s. So what does that say? Also i drive the 6000s alot to as must as i drive the 1000s. So how can u call a bus junk because of its age? To me its like u called someone that has a 1980s car that there drive and u called it junk because of its age. My point u can call something that is not to u get in the seat! What does this say to me? This saids somebody at that garage should be doing maintence on those buses so they can run better. Also, you're right, 6000s aren't junk just because of their age, they're just past their retirement time and i'm sure CTA doesn't want to hear any complaints about "why is there 14 year old buses on the street?". I personally want the 6000s to stay but it's not right to have buses past their retirement age running the streets because they could break down at any time and therefore could be unreliable in the eyes of the public. I'm out on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajuan Posted November 10, 2008 Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 Why do u have to do that to the 6000s? The 6000s are great buses, To me no one on here can say much if u dont drive them day in and day out. Well i drive them, So if i had my way i would allways have a 6000s or 5300s flx over a 1000s box. Just because there are old does not mean there are bad buses i see alot more 1000s in the shop then our 6000s any day. For me i have broke down with the 1000s alot more then any flx we have. I allmost do it once a week with our 1000s. So what does that say? Also i drive the 6000s alot to as must as i drive the 1000s. So how can u call a bus junk because of its age? To me its like u called someone that has a 1980s car that there drive and u called it junk because of its age. My point u can call something that is not to u get in the seat! Hmmm....I find it interesting that Chicago is having more problems with its 1000s than Kedzie seems to be. You say that you break down in a 1000 once a week and then there was the report of a couple of them being sluggish. I don't recall the Kedzie operator on this forum reporting many issues with the 1000s at his garage. If anything, the operators that I see on a regular basis don't seem to like being given an older bus off the roster. One of the operators I see on the 12 Roosevelt every weekday morning complained whenever he was given a TMC or 5300 when Kedzie still had them. He now complains or at best has a much smaller smile on his face whenever he's given a 6000 on his run. Also I call the 6000s at Kedzie junk overall because almost every time I get stuck riding one, the frame seems to be rattling louder than it should and the railing for standing passengers wobbles to much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago49xxx Posted November 10, 2008 Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 Hmmm....I find it interesting that Chicago is having more problems with its 1000s than Kedzie seems to be. You say that you break down in a 1000 once a week and then there was the report of a couple of them being sluggish. I don't recall the Kedzie operator on this forum reporting many issues with the 1000s at his garage. If anything, the operators that I see on a regular basis don't seem to like being given an older bus off the roster. One of the operators I see on the 12 Roosevelt every weekday morning complained whenever he was given a TMC or 5300 when Kedzie still had them. He now complains or at best has a much smaller smile on his face whenever he's given a 6000 on his run. Also I call the 6000s at Kedzie junk overall because almost every time I get stuck riding one, the frame seems to be rattling louder than it should and the railing for standing passengers wobbles to much. Being an operator out of chicago i have never broke down yet on any series bus out of our garage. The main problem with our flyers is the batteries either they have a short life span or they cant handle the load put on them. Some of them produce a very strong sulfur smell that can be inside and outside the bus. Some of the batteries have even exploded. There is an acceleration difference with our flyers our 10s have a nice speedy take off and most of them do not annouce the route and destination when you open the doors. While our 13s and 14s varies some are very speedy and some are slow but all of them announce the route and destination when the door is opened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted November 10, 2008 Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 Being an operator out of chicago i have never broke down yet on any series bus out of our garage. The main problem with our flyers is the batteries either they have a short life span or they cant handle the load put on them. Some of them produce a very strong sulfur smell that can be inside and outside the bus. Some of the batteries have even exploded. There is an acceleration difference with our flyers our 10s have a nice speedy take off and most of them do not annouce the route and destination when you open the doors. While our 13s and 14s varies some are very speedy and some are slow but all of them announce the route and destination when the door is opened.The problem with the announcements would be with the Clever Device, which CTA installs and has nothing to do with New Flyer itself. The battery report is very disturbing, since it was a battery fire that took 5853 out of commission permanently, and you wouldn't want an endemic problem with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUSANGEL#1 Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Be sure to post a copy of it. And I mean a verifiable scan. One that say, rmadison can confirm as real. Since you say you have the one for 1000s, you may attach it now. And don't pull a Dan Rather. Also, why don't you explain why you didn't give a "heads up" for the 80 bus 74th swap? P.S. I don't give credit for luck. Remember, I was the first to say that the 600s would have a different series number. (See here and here). And I admit that I have no inside information. Who are you to doubt my info? I don't have to prove anything to you. The proof is in the pudding. Enough said, just sit back and watch it happen and then tell me I never told you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buslover88 Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Who are you to doubt my info? Fact: Anybody can, could, and/or will doubt anything anyone saids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artthouwill Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Last week I rode a 900 series NF for the first time. That was the fastest bus I have ever been on. And it was also the most quiest one also. It was bus 909. Yet I understand that CTA prefers the 800 series hybrids over the 900s. Why? Are the 4000s based on the 800 series or 900 series hybrids? My guess would be the former. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Last week I rode a 900 series NF for the first time. That was the fastest bus I have ever been on. And it was also the most quiest one also. It was bus 909. Yet I understand that CTA prefers the 800 series hybrids over the 900s. Why? Are the 4000s based on the 800 series or 900 series hybrids? My guess would be the former. jajuan has reported a lot of breakdowns on the 900s. Both the 800s and the 4000s have the GM-Allison system, but it is Chicago-Centric to assume that one is based on the other, since Seattle had the system first. Also, as previously mentioned, CTA picked up the Seattle options and specification for the 4000s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted November 14, 2008 Report Share Posted November 14, 2008 Who are you to doubt my info? I don't have to prove anything to you. The proof is in the pudding. Enough said, just sit back and watch it happen and then tell me I never told you! Sort of like this post:FYI: CTA already confirmed that 74th will not recieve 40' NFs at all because they don't have TMCs or 5300s. Neither is FG getting them for the same reason. The 60' NFs will be going to 77th, FG,74, and NP. Huberman already stated that the 600s will going on routes and garages that usually wouldn't have them but do need them. He also stated that more artics will go on local routes with high ridership. I like vanilla tapioca. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 14, 2008 Report Share Posted November 14, 2008 NF #1374 was brokedown at Fullerton/California today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUSANGEL#1 Posted November 15, 2008 Report Share Posted November 15, 2008 Sort of like this post: I like vanilla tapioca. True but it was cta that provided me with that info. Not saying that they are 100% honest. However in certain situations they do come through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 18, 2008 Report Share Posted November 18, 2008 Today I finally saw the new shields to protect the bus operators. I hopped on the X54, bus #1071 at JPK today and rode it all the way to North ave to go pick up my car. I see that they have a folding glass door with a latch which locks into the grab bar, unbelieveable. It certainly gave me a false sense of security. When I walked towards North ave and Lamon you can still see the poles of the old North ave. garage. These were the poles that held the the trolley wires, they later had streetlight fixtures attached to them I think sometime around the 70s or 80s. I still remember seeing these poles scattered around the garage when my dad worked out of North Ave garage. There are three old trolley wire poles which are located in front of the Harris Bank on the south side of North ave. If you look closely you can still see where the trolley wires were once attached. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busfan4022 Posted November 19, 2008 Report Share Posted November 19, 2008 I rode number 1242 today and it had a different announcement system that directed you to "Stay out of the rear door area" and "Touch the yellow tape to open door". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted November 19, 2008 Report Share Posted November 19, 2008 I rode number 1242 today and it had a different announcement system that directed you to "Stay out of the rear door area" and "Touch the yellow tape to open door". On monday, #4009 had a paper sign on it at the rear doors that said "just wave your hand" , but that bus has been having problems with it's rear door wanting to ring while driving. ( like your trying to exit with the green light off) The door is real sensitive. The problem was so bad last friday, the driver was telling people to use the front doors only. There was no sign on friday. BTW, if you haven't seen the new shields around the driver, there a picture of one on flickr, but it is labeled as a sneeze guard on there.Link to sneeze guard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldavio Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 I saw 1915 on 79th this evening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanbytes Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Here's a pretty good picture of the new driver shield. On 1909 it looks like the interior lighting is going back to fluorescent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cta 5555 Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 I hate to be that driver on 4009. O boy 60ft bus with one door. So what are we going to have 150 new 60 ft. buses with one door now? Hmm.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buslover88 Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 I hate to be that driver on 4009. O boy 60ft bus with one door. So what are we going to have 150 new 60 ft. buses with one door now? Hmm.... I'm confused. Are you talking about the bus in the pictures, or about #4009 actually? Because the bus in the pictures is #1909. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusExpert32 Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 I saw 1915 on 79th this evening. I asked this a few days ago, but there was no comment and now #1915 was spotted on 79th Street. Are the 1900s still being delivered to North Park/103rd along with the 4000s? Or are they being sent to 77th, Chicago, or some combination? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 Today Im working on an ambulance detail, we were dispatched to an accident this morning involving CTA NF #1088. The accident happened at the Ashland/Orange Line sta. A SB #9 Ashland bus was T-boned by a semi truck. The bus was hit in the rear door area, not seriously damaged but it will need some repair. We transported the bus driver to the hospital. Had to take care of one of my own, I felt bad for the bus driver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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