Year model of CTA Trains

[qwantae]

I'm always curious about what series of these trains start with by year model:

For 2200s Budd: I know that 2201-2249 are 1969 models and 2250 to up are 1970 models.

I want to know about 2400s, 2600s and 3200s.

Example in my opinion about 2600s:

Are the beginning of 2600s are 1981; Upper 2600s to 2700s are 1982 models; 2700s to 2800s are 1983 models; 2800s to 2900s are 1984; 2900s to 3000s are 1985; 3000s to 3100s are 1986; and upper 3100s are 1987 models. If it's incorrect, please correct me.

Thanks!

[sw4400]

I'm always curious about what series of these trains start with by year model:

For 2200s Budd: I know that 2201-2249 are 1969 models and 2250 to up are 1970 models.

I want to know about 2400s, 2600s and 3200s.

Example in my opinion about 2600s:

Are the beginning of 2600s are 1981; Upper 2600s to 2700s are 1982 models; 2700s to 2800s are 1983 models; 2800s to 2900s are 1984; 2900s to 3000s are 1985; 3000s to 3100s are 1986; and upper 3100s are 1987 models. If it's incorrect, please correct me.

Thanks!

I'm going to go down the current stock, roster-by-roster, and give you the model years...

2200's-Budd

2201-2250(Budd 1969)

2251-2352(Budd 1970)

2400's-Boeing-Vertol

2401-2424(Boeing-Vertol 1976)

2425-2508(Boeing-Vertol 1977)

2509-2600(Boeing-Vertol 1978) Married Pair 2531-2482(Boeing-Vertol 1978-77)

2600's-Budd

2601-2670(Budd 1981)

2671-2740(Budd 1982)

2741-2824(Budd 1983) Married Pair 2791-2856(Budd 1983-84)

2825-2930(Budd 1984)

2931-3042(Budd 1985)

3043-3160(Budd 1986)

3161-3200(Budd 1987)

3200's-Morrison-Knudsen

3201-3204(Morrison-Knudsen 1991)

3205-3308(Morrison-Knudsen 1992)

3309-3420(Morrison-Knudsen 1993)

3421-3456(Morrison-Knudsen 1994)

3457-3458(Morrison Knudsen 1994/Budd 1985)

5000's-Bombardier

5001-5012(Bombardier-2009)*

Married Pair 5001-5002 at Plattsburgh Test Track. 5003-5012 delivered to CTA for testing. Other units yet to be built and/or delivered

[ChicagoNova]

I'm going to go down the current stock, roster-by-roster, and give you the model years...

2200's-Budd

2201-2250(Budd 1969)

2251-2352(Budd 1970)

2400's-Boeing-Vertol

2401-2424(Boeing-Vertol 1976)

2425-2508(Boeing-Vertol 1977)

2509-2600(Boeing-Vertol 1978) Married Pair 2531-2482(Boeing-Vertol 1978-77)

2600's-Budd

2601-2670(Budd 1981)

2671-2740(Budd 1982)

2741-2824(Budd 1983) Married Pair 2791-2856(Budd 1983-84)

2825-2930(Budd 1984)

2931-3042(Budd 1985)

3043-3160(Budd 1986)

3161-3200(Budd 1987)

3200's-Morrison-Knudsen

3201-3204(Morrison-Knudsen 1991)

3205-3308(Morrison-Knudsen 1992)

3309-3420(Morrison-Knudsen 1993)

3421-3456(Morrison-Knudsen 1994)

3457-3458(Morrison Knudsen 1994/Budd 1985)

5000's-Bombardier

5001-5012(Bombardier-2009)*

Married Pair 5001-5002 at Plattsburgh Test Track. 5003-5012 delivered to CTA for testing. Other units yet to be built and/or delivered

According to FTA requirements, what is the service life for CTA's rail cars before they're eligible for retirement?

[sw4400]

According to FTA requirements, what is the service life for CTA's rail cars before they're eligible for retirement?

30 years. The 2200's are overdue for retirement, the 2400's are in retirement eligibility, the 1st batch of 2600's(2601-2670) are also in the eligibility range. The following is the eligibility for the rest of the 2600's and 3200's

2671-2740(2012)

2741-2824(2013)

2825-2930(2014)

2931-3042(2015)

3043-3160(2016)

3161-3200(2017)

3201-3204(2021)

3205-3308(2022)

3309-3420(2023)

3421-3456(2024)

It hard to say how long the unit of 3457-3458 will be in service, being that 3457 is a 1994 Morrison-Knudsen unit and 3458 is a 1985 Budd unit renumbered from 3032.

[artthouwill]

30 years. The 2200's are overdue for retirement, the 2400's are in retirement eligibility, the 1st batch of 2600's(2601-2670) are also in the eligibility range. The following is the eligibility for the rest of the 2600's and 3200's

2671-2740(2012)

2741-2824(2013)

2825-2930(2014)

2931-3042(2015)

3043-3160(2016)

3161-3200(2017)

3201-3204(2021)

3205-3308(2022)

3309-3420(2023)

3421-3456(2024)

It hard to say how long the unit of 3457-3458 will be in service, being that 3457 is a 1994 Morrison-Knudsen unit and 3458 is a 1985 Budd unit renumbered from 3032.

Thanks for this great post. We can use it to track the cars actual retirement as the 5000s start rolling in.

[ChicagoNova]

30 years. The 2200's are overdue for retirement, the 2400's are in retirement eligibility, the 1st batch of 2600's(2601-2670) are also in the eligibility range. The following is the eligibility for the rest of the 2600's and 3200's

2671-2740(2012)

2741-2824(2013)

2825-2930(2014)

2931-3042(2015)

3043-3160(2016)

3161-3200(2017)

3201-3204(2021)

3205-3308(2022)

3309-3420(2023)

3421-3456(2024)

It hard to say how long the unit of 3457-3458 will be in service, being that 3457 is a 1994 Morrison-Knudsen unit and 3458 is a 1985 Budd unit renumbered from 3032.

I guess for the sake of 3457, CTA might have to keep both cars until 2024.

[Guest]

I cant believe how close the 2600 series cars are eligible for retirement! It seems like they still have another thirty years of life left!

[chitowndude84]

I cant believe how close the 2600 series cars are eligible for retirement! It seems like they still have another thirty years of life left!

Ya I agree,But silly question since they were rehabbed back in 1999-2001 wouldn't that change the FTA retirement rule ??

[Busjack]

Ya I agree,But silly question since they were rehabbed back in 1999-2001 wouldn't that change the FTA retirement rule ??

It was a mid-life, but about when one would expect it. Still gets you into the 2014-2016 timeframe.

Nonetheless, nothing much is going to bite into them until 5407-5706 show up, and they are now only talking about getting permission to exercise that option.

For that matter, the 3200s should have gone through a midlife by now. No word about that (they did get 1/4 life maintenance).

[Amtrak41]

I'm from the east coast, but want to make sure that one difference between a 2400 and a 2600 is the "railfan" seat on the left side behind the motorman's cab. On the 2400, it faces forward , on the 2600 - backward.

[Busjack]

I'm from the east coast, but want to make sure that one difference between a 2400 and a 2600 is the "railfan" seat on the left side behind the motorman's cab. On the 2400, it faces forward , on the 2600 - backward.

The rail fan seat was next to the cab, not behind it, and let a rider see out the front window. IIRC, it was longitudinal.

In the old days, the cabs only extended to the right of the aisle. After the cars were converted to one man operation, the rail fan seat was effectively lost in the lead car.

What you may have confused is the location of the handicap seat. In 2400s, they were retrofitted upon rehab, in a transverse position near the B end (rear of each car). In the 2600s, which were designated accessible upon delivery, the handicap seat was placed immediately behind the cab, so as to be easily reached from the side front sliding door, and faced the sliding door (i.e. backwards in the lead car). That may be what you were thinking about.

[artthouwill]

The rail fan seat was next to the cab, not behind it, and let a rider see out the front window. IIRC, it was longitudinal.

In the old days, the cabs only extended to the right of the aisle. After the cars were converted to one man operation, the rail fan seat was effectively lost in the lead car.

What you may have confused is the location of the handicap seat. In 2400s, they were retrofitted upon rehab, in a transverse position near the B end (rear of each car). In the 2600s, which were designated accessible upon delivery, the handicap seat was placed immediately behind the cab, so as to be easily reached from the side front sliding door, and faced the sliding door (i.e. backwards in the lead car). That may be what you were thinking about.

In the old days, the "railfan" seat was directly across from the motorman's cab. In that you are correct, Busjack. Since the cars were converted to one man operation, the first seat directly behind the motorman cab on the left side now defaults to a railfan seat. In that, the previous poster to whom you were responding is correct. On the 2400s, that seat faces forward and the 2600s and 3200s that seat faces backward. Even though you are totally correct about the accessible designations, that was not what he was referring to.

[Busjack]

In the old days, the "railfan" seat was directly across from the motorman's cab. In that you are correct, Busjack. Since the cars were converted to one man operation, the first seat directly behind the motorman cab on the left side now defaults to a railfan seat. In that, the previous poster to whom you were responding is correct. On the 2400s, that seat faces forward and the 2600s and 3200s that seat faces backward. Even though you are totally correct about the accessible designations, that was not what he was referring to.

That could be,* but I don't consider that to be a railfan seat, because you can't see out the front of the car from it.

Chicago L org has a picture of one 2600 backing up what you said. I don't know if it will accept the referral,** but the reference is to 2600 Gallery 19 cta2702int. That must have been a retrofit during the Alstom rebuilds, for, as I remember, while usually seats on both sides of the aisle faced the same way in most of the car, those behind the right side cab faced back, while those to the left side of them faced front.

Chicago L org also confirms what I thought, that the seat behind the left side of the cab on the 3200s is the wheelchair securement seat, and there isn't a vent box or a longitudinal seat there. 3200 Gallery 13 3263 Blue Light

Basically, though, having been a railfan, despite being around for the 1977 crash (not in it, mind you), I certainly would not choose to sit in any backward facing seat. I wouldn't have noticed that particular seat in a 2400 or 2600 because I would be sitting behind the first sliding door, but wouldn't be seeing anything from the front.

Also, Amtrak 41 gets the benefit of the references.

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*You know that I don't accept default.

**Update: If the links don't work directly, right click on them, select "Copy Link Location" and then paste it into the browser address bar. Kevin explained the 403 problem before.