Busjack Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 Exactly that's the point Randolph is the permanent routing for those routes. The source is from CTA directly. No, that doesn't prove anything except that they did fix BusTracker for the current route, which, as jajuan points out, the CTA says is temporary. So, you still haven't given us your source. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam92 Posted April 3, 2012 Report Share Posted April 3, 2012 No, that doesn't prove anything except that they did fix BusTracker for the current route, which, as jajuan points out, the CTA says is temporary. So, you still haven't given us your source. How about we all just wait until Summer 2012 when they move on with the next phase 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUSANGEL#1 Posted April 4, 2012 Report Share Posted April 4, 2012 Well I don't have to prove anything, people can continue believing its temporary if they want. As someone mentioned earlier, its similar to what they did to the 14 (making the detour route on Monroe permanent). No, that doesn't prove anything except that they did fix BusTracker for the current route, which, as jajuan points out, the CTA says is temporary. So, you still haven't given us your source. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajuan Posted April 5, 2012 Report Share Posted April 5, 2012 Well I don't have to prove anything, people can continue believing its temporary if they want. As someone mentioned earlier, its similar to what they did to the 14 (making the detour route on Monroe permanent). One hole in that line of reasoning is the 14 is back on Washington west of Franklin, which the CTA dubbed a partial route restoration and therefore suggesting the 14 routing on Monroe is temporary not permanent per what the CTA has published about the Wacker construction route structurings. Keep in mind the 14 along with 124 and 157 got detoured off Washington to ease Washington traffic in lieu of the disaster of Block 37 construction, which hit that financial stall. 157 has been restored to Washington though 124 is still on Upper Wacker and 14 east of Franklin is still on Monroe I would surmise due to some hope of a miracle that Block 37 work would get financing to be completed to the degree was originally hoped. And I'm making that guess based on there being no mention that 124 EB signs ever got updated from saying 'VIA MADISON' and recent memories of them actually still displaying that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
See Tea Eh Posted April 6, 2012 Report Share Posted April 6, 2012 I assure you, the continued operation of the 124 on Wacker and 14 on Monroe has absolutely nothing to do with "some hope of a miracle that Block 37 work would get financing to be completed to the degree was originally hoped." That construction is over and done with, and the street is wide open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artthouwill Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 I catch the 157 every day from Washington/Clinton. Once south of Madison there is always an anouncement that the diversion has ended. Latest bus stop flag at Washington/ Clinton has 60 and 124 but not 157. I was on the 157 yesterday. There is an announcement on the bus that the bus will be on a detour after Lake St. The bus will use Randolph to Clinton. So based on that announcement, it seems the reroute or detour is still TEMPORARY. It is odd only in that Madison and Wacker is no longer affected by construction, so in theory this route as well as the 60 and 124 tcould return to normal now, the question is why not? But it seems as though the CTA does intend to return the routes back to normal when construction of Wacker is complete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajuan Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 I assure you, the continued operation of the 124 on Wacker and 14 on Monroe has absolutely nothing to do with "some hope of a miracle that Block 37 work would get financing to be completed to the degree was originally hoped." That construction is over and done with, and the street is wide open. Whatever the reason, the central point of that example is not to necessarily take for granted that anything rerouted off Madison or Washington as permanent with details floating about suggesting otherwise in that I noted in addition to the WB 60, 124 and 157 buses having their stop announcements specifying the current routing as detours along with the website calling them so, no one has given a report that 124 buses ever had their destination signs changed from 'VIA WASHINGTON' on top of CTA's published info on the 14's current dubs it a partial route restoration further suggesting temporary routing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
See Tea Eh Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 I was on the 157 yesterday. There is an announcement on the bus that the bus will be on a detour after Lake St. The bus will use Randolph to Clinton. So based on that announcement, it seems the reroute or detour is still TEMPORARY. It is odd only in that Madison and Wacker is no longer affected by construction, so in theory this route as well as the 60 and 124 tcould return to normal now, the question is why not? But it seems as though the CTA does intend to return the routes back to normal when construction of Wacker is complete. And the answer is because, with all the other buses that are currently using Madison as a detour, they don't want to jam up the street and bus stops with too many buses that will just get in the way of each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
See Tea Eh Posted April 7, 2012 Report Share Posted April 7, 2012 The 124s have had their destination signs changed to say "via Randolph" because "via Madison" is not accurate for the detour. That it didn't happen when the detour first started was just an oversight. Both the old and new 124 signs (via Madison and via Randolph) exist in the sign software, and changing from one to the other takes only a couple of keystrokes in the AVAS software. The existence of a destination sign implies nothing about the permanence of a reroute, given the minimal effort required in changing an electronic sign these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam92 Posted April 8, 2012 Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 Whatever the reason, the central point of that example is not to necessarily take for granted that anything rerouted off Madison or Washington as permanent with details floating about suggesting otherwise in that I noted in addition to the WB 60, 124 and 157 buses having their stop announcements specifying the current routing as detours along with the website calling them so, no one has given a report that 124 buses ever had their destination signs changed from 'VIA WASHINGTON' on top of CTA's published info on the 14's current dubs it a partial route restoration further suggesting temporary routing. I think they are referring to the #14 being routed to Madison as the partial restoration. Not Washington Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUSANGEL#1 Posted April 8, 2012 Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 The 14 is only on Washington west of Franklin because of Wacker Drive phase 3 on Monroe. Monroe has been the permanent routing for about 4 years now. After the construction is done the 14 is going back to Monroe. With the politics of CTA anything can happen. One hole in that line of reasoning is the 14 is back on Washington west of Franklin, which the CTA dubbed a partial route restoration and therefore suggesting the 14 routing on Monroe is temporary not permanent per what the CTA has published about the Wacker construction route structurings. Keep in mind the 14 along with 124 and 157 got detoured off Washington to ease Washington traffic in lieu of the disaster of Block 37 construction, which hit that financial stall. 157 has been restored to Washington though 124 is still on Upper Wacker and 14 east of Franklin is still on Monroe I would surmise due to some hope of a miracle that Block 37 work would get financing to be completed to the degree was originally hoped. And I'm making that guess based on there being no mention that 124 EB signs ever got updated from saying 'VIA MADISON' and recent memories of them actually still displaying that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajuan Posted April 9, 2012 Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 The 14 is only on Washington west of Franklin because of Wacker Drive phase 3 on Monroe. Monroe has been the permanent routing for about 4 years now. After the construction is done the 14 is going back to Monroe. With the politics of CTA anything can happen. Maybe. Maybe not. Remember several posts back, I stated my attitude toward any of it is believe it when I actually see it in play when the time comes in regards to statements presented as fact with no source behind it. I will add in there just in case it's wasn't understood from my believe it when I see it stance, that if my interpretation of the same evidence you're looking at to make your stance is incorrect I'll gladly say ok I was wrong. That's the other beauty of taking on a believe it when it's seen stance. You're giving yourself room to acknowledge that you may be wrong. And my reason for interpreting that partial restoration as referring 14 buses operating EB on Washington and not that portion where they are still on Monroe is because the previous rerouting involved the 14 buses operating WEST, pushing them from Madison to Randolph. Yes there are construction cones on Monroe, but Monroe is not actually blocked off since the portion of Wacker totally removed this time is immediately to the south of the intersection at Monroe similar to how it's cut and removed just to the north of the intersection at Jackson with Jackson still passing through, and there is still space enough for arctics from the 14 to be able to turn from Clinton onto Monroe. So the buses could still start off on Monroe at Clinton as they have been doing these past few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
See Tea Eh Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 Yes there are construction cones on Monroe, but Monroe is not actually blocked off since the portion of Wacker totally removed this time is immediately to the south of the intersection at Monroe similar to how it's cut and removed just to the north of the intersection at Jackson with Jackson still passing through, and there is still space enough for arctics from the 14 to be able to turn from Clinton onto Monroe. So the buses could still start off on Monroe at Clinton as they have been doing these past few years. Unless they changed it in the past couple of weeks (I haven't walked that way in a few days), Monroe is, in fact, blocked off to traffic. Pedestrians can cross, but in order to cross Wacker one must use a small temporary sidewalk crossing. Traffic is blocked across the bridge and across Wacker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam92 Posted April 10, 2012 Report Share Posted April 10, 2012 Unless they changed it in the past couple of weeks (I haven't walked that way in a few days), Monroe is, in fact, blocked off to traffic. Pedestrians can cross, but in order to cross Wacker one must use a small temporary sidewalk crossing. Traffic is blocked across the bridge and across Wacker. Speaking of that I've seen a few #14's passing down Clinton (they were in service and carrying passengers) on weekends. Maybe some drivers are taking Jackson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajuan Posted April 14, 2012 Report Share Posted April 14, 2012 Unless they changed it in the past couple of weeks (I haven't walked that way in a few days), Monroe is, in fact, blocked off to traffic. Pedestrians can cross, but in order to cross Wacker one must use a small temporary sidewalk crossing. Traffic is blocked across the bridge and across Wacker. On that detail, I stand corrected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajuan Posted May 31, 2012 Report Share Posted May 31, 2012 Now I would suppose this sighting I'm about to report would count as a strange sight if you examine the details. At 11:19pm spotted a Forest Glen Nova operating what presumably was the final NB run of the 56 Milwaukee on Western Avenue near Logan Blvd and Jones under the Kennedy heading toward Diversey. The bus was in service because it had passengers aboard so I figure ok it's rerouting around some obstruction on Milwaukee. Now keep in mind Western and Milwaukee Avenues cross just south of Armitage. After crossing Milwaukee, I was able to see the street blockage was due police activity at what looked like the 2100 maybe 2200 block of N. Milwaukee. So why go all the way up to Diversey when that wouldn't get you back to Milwaukee until Kimball when he could have taken Fullerton and met back up with Milwaukee near Francisco and Fullerton? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
See Tea Eh Posted June 13, 2012 Report Share Posted June 13, 2012 Well, you can take off your tinfoil hats, and some of you can go and complain to your "CTA sources" about incorrect information, because starting this weekend, the 60, 124, and 157 are coming off Randolph and going back to their regular routing on Madison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted June 13, 2012 Report Share Posted June 13, 2012 Well, you can take off your tinfoil hats, and some of you can go and complain to your "CTA sources" about incorrect information, because starting this weekend, the 60, 124, and 157 are coming off Randolph and going back to their regular routing on Madison. Do you have a link? In fact, it is on the front page of transitchicago.com, including with a special brochure. I was wondering why 20 wasn't on it, but the March 18 timetable indicates that it is already on Madison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artthouwill Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 Though this thread is basically a CTA thread, I thought this would be a good place for what I saw the other day. 305 Cicero -River Forest flip North Blvd via Division/Thatcher. It just looks odd thatthe route gets to the end of the line BEFORE the via portion of the route. Even though this only happens for two trips each weekday, wouldn't it been simpler and less confusing to just end/begin those two trips at Division/Thatcher as in times pasr? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajuan Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 Do you have a link? In fact, it is on the front page of transitchicago.com, including with a special brochure. I was wondering why 20 wasn't on it, but the March 18 timetable indicates that it is already on Madison. I was just going to ask didn't buses already get detoured off Jackson, but nevermind. It was for work on the Jackson bridge over the river before the Wacker Drive reconstruction work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busfan2847 Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 I was wondering why 20 wasn't on it, but the March 18 timetable indicates that it is already on Madison. 20 & 56 (and 19) went back onto Madison at the start of Stage 3 on 9th Jan 2012. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 14, 2012 Report Share Posted June 14, 2012 20 & 56 (and 19) went back onto Madison at the start of Stage 3 on 9th Jan 2012. Saw a 900 series NF bus this morning on the Kennedy around Diversey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajuan Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 20 & 56 (and 19) went back onto Madison at the start of Stage 3 on 9th Jan 2012. Busfan, he meant that comment as a joke for those who were adamant that the 60, 124. and 157 reroutes currently on Randolph were permanent reroutes that would keep those routes routed through Randolph even after Wacker Phase 3 and the Wacker Project as a whole was complete. :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 Busfan, he meant that comment as a joke for those who were adamant that the 60, 124. and 157 reroutes currently on Randolph were permanent reroutes that would keep those routes routed through Randolph even after Wacker Phase 3 and the Wacker Project as a whole was complete. Actually, in this case, no. 2847's post was explanatory of why 20 was not on the current list, and, in effect pointed out that I forgot 56. Now if Karnak the Magnificent was implying several weeks ago that the other routes that are part of the Central faux BRT project (not to be exhaustive, but like 60, 124, and 157) not previously reinstated to their normal routes were going to stay on Randolph, this week's notice dispels that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajuan Posted June 15, 2012 Report Share Posted June 15, 2012 Actually, in this case, no. 2847's post was explanatory of why 20 was not on the current list, and, in effect pointed out that I forgot 56. Now if Karnak the Magnificent was implying several weeks ago that the other routes that are part of the Central faux BRT project (not to be exhaustive, but like 60, 124, and 157) not previously reinstated to their normal routes were going to stay on Randolph, this week's notice dispels that. Granted but you'd have to be living under a rock not to know that those routes had returned to Madison already if you travel through that part of downtown even if one had or hadn't posted that here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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