Fall 2022 Rail Pick.

[renardo870]

Good afternoon, everyone one. It looks like all rail lines except for the Yellow has adjustments in the schedule effective tomorrow October 23rd, 2022. No Brownage trains are running during rush hours, Green Line rush are at 10 minutes and 20 minutes on the branches, Purple Express are 8 to 15 minutes, Brown 4-7 minutes during rush, Red are 5-7 minutes during rush, Orange 8-10 min, Blue 5-10 min and Pink 8-10 min during rush. Weekend service has higher intervals as well. They are addressing the shortage of operators on the rail lines to match what manpower they actually have available to run service.

Edited October 22, 2022 by renardo870

[Busjack]

49 minutes ago, renardo870 said:

No Brownage trains are running during rush hours

I wonder if this will overload Brown Line trains, but I guess passengers have to take what they get. I also wonder if this affects the 2600s retirement schedule, as this cuts 6 trains (48 cars).

If one terminal (I'm assuming Midway, but maybe not) has a disproportionate number of cut runs, do the operators pick at another terminal?

[artthouwill]

2 hours ago, renardo870 said:

Good afternoon, everyone one. It looks like all rail lines except for the Yellow has adjustments in the schedule effective tomorrow October 23rd, 2022. No Brownage trains are running during rush hours, Green Line rush are at 10 minutes and 20 minutes on the branches, Purple Express are 8 to 15 minutes, Brown 4-7 minutes during rush, Red are 5-7 minutes during rush, Orange 8-10 min, Blue 5-10 min and Pink 8-10 min during rush. Weekend service has higher intervals as well. They are addressing the shortage of operators on the rail lines to match what manpower they actually have available to run service.

You said no Brownage during rush periods.  So are they running zbrownage off peak?

Somehow I think CTA will still have staffing issues despite the adjustments.  People are still prople and they will do what they always do.

[Busjack]

1 hour ago, artthouwill said:

You said no Brownage during rush periods.  So are they running zbrownage off peak?

CTA never did. Old schedule had Kimball trips leaving Midway between 5:50 am and 6:35 am; the last one returning at 9:14 am. The new schedule doesn't have any K trips.

old orange line.pdf new orqnge line.pdf

[artthouwill]

14 minutes ago, Busjack said:

CTA never did. Old schedule had Kimball trips leaving Midway between 5:50 am and 6:35 am; the last one returning at 9:14 am. The new schedule doesn't have any K trips.

old orange line.pdf 243.15 kB · 2 downloads new orqnge line.pdf 243.68 kB · 1 download

Gotcha.  Yhe rush hour Brownages are gone.

[renardo870]

3 hours ago, Busjack said:

 

If one terminal (I'm assuming Midway, but maybe not) has a disproportionate number of cut runs, do the operators pick at another terminal?

Most likely no. The operators will probably go on the extra board for this pick and probably get assigned a run if the a person called off or get a  ShowUp for their shift. 

[andrethebusman]

Almost 2 years later accepting reality. Most systems accepted reality by mid 2020.

[renardo870]

2 hours ago, andrethebusman said:

Almost 2 years later accepting reality. Most systems accepted reality by mid 2020.

Yeah, the schedules should've been changed between the summer and the fall of 2020 at the height of the pandemic as many employees were getting Covid-19 and with the vaccine mandate that was implemented by CTA in the fall of 2021 a lot of employees quit or got terminated, reducing the already shortage of manpower. ???‍♂️?

[Busjack]

4 hours ago, andrethebusman said:

Almost 2 years later accepting reality. Most systems accepted reality by mid 2020.

 

2 hours ago, renardo870 said:

Yeah, the schedules should've been changed between the summer and the fall of 2020 at the height of the pandemic as many employees were getting Covid-19 and with the vaccine mandate that was implemented by CTA in the fall of 2021 a lot of employees quit or got terminated, reducing the already shortage of manpower. ???‍♂️?

However, back then, there were other considerations at play: unlike most transit agencies, CTA said it couldn't reduce service because its riders, especially essential workers, needed it, and, after things started opening up, social distancing cut the allowed load by maybe 60%. I'm sure Pace and Metra's cuts were mostly because of passenger losses (Metra originally 97%).

Apparently CTA thought that interim measures, like cutting Lake-Cottage Grove trains would take care of the problem, but it didn't.

[andrethebusman]

CTA upper management seemingly refused to admit what was really happening and actually bragged about not cutting service (though in reality some routes like 134-135-136 were cut to the bone and then some). However reality has hit home that there are not enough operating employees, and there never might be again. Las Vegas let number of drivers fall below what was needed after 2002 strike, and it took TEN YEARS of forced overtime and unfilled runs to get things straightened out. Once you go down that road, recovery becomes almost impossible as new hires simply don't last when faced with these kinds of working conditions (involuntary 6 and 7 day weeks, two runs a day). Then add in attempting to maintain "discipline" and you are sliding down a slippery slope where only service reductions help. 

[Busjack]

11 hours ago, andrethebusman said:

CTA upper management seemingly refused to admit what was really happening and actually bragged about not cutting service (though in reality some routes like 134-135-136 were cut to the bone and then some). However reality has hit home that there are not enough operating employees, and there never might be again. Las Vegas let number of drivers fall below what was needed after 2002 strike, and it took TEN YEARS of forced overtime and unfilled runs to get things straightened out. Once you go down that road, recovery becomes almost impossible as new hires simply don't last when faced with these kinds of working conditions (involuntary 6 and 7 day weeks, two runs a day). Then add in attempting to maintain "discipline" and you are sliding down a slippery slope where only service reductions help. 

For that matter, CTA never recovered from the 2010 cuts. But at least CTA has a plan; whether it works is anyone's guess. But this demonstrated "CTA upper management seemingly refused to admit what was really happening" is false.

I'm sure:

• Vegas didn't need much of any bus service when the tourist attractions were shut down.
• CTA can't use Pace's solution of hiring TNCs, to try to solve the problem that [paratransit contract operators] couldn't hire drivers to keep community services running.

[andrethebusman]

Actually Vegas had a rather odd response. Strip service was cut by like 3/4, but rest of system went to "Sunday service 7 days" which in reality makes little difference in a city where weekday and weekend service is very similar. But cutting capacity per bus to 50 percent meant second sections on most trips on most routes which used to have more weekday than weekend service, so the number of buses on the street actually went up. Now however, because of manpower shortages and no capacity restrictions, Saturday schedules run 7 days a week with no second sections. Seems to function and appears "weekday" schedules are gone for good. Biggest loss was the 60 Wright articulateds that used to run the now extinct Strip Express. They were used all over while no fares were being collected, then retired and scrapped once fare collection resumed as they have an enclosed drivers position and no feaseable means of installing a farebox. (Strip Express was 100 percent pay before boarding and most likely gone for good).

[garmon757]

Alright guys, let’s get back on track of the actual topic about the Fall Pick. Any non-relevant posts will be removed.