Sam92 Posted December 2, 2023 Report Share Posted December 2, 2023 On 11/17/2023 at 7:53 PM, Busjack said: The answer to your last question is probably not. Assuming 218 or so cars at 54th yard and the Green Line, that's 496 cars on R, Y, P. RLE would require another 84 cars. I think moving 5000s from Pink and Green is more likely. On 11/17/2023 at 7:39 PM, Javi75 said: I could see CTA fully equipping the blue line with 7000s then when the 9000s come, send the 7000s to brown, orange and possibly pink. Fully equip the green line with the rest of the 9000s sending its 5000s to the red line. Red, purple and yellow would have all 5000s. In another scenario factoring RLE would 546 9000s be enough for red, purple and yellow? Well if the expansion of services happen then Red, purple and yellow would need 662 cars combined. If they want to keep just one series at Howard then that leaves 5000s as the only choice. 9000s can go to Blue and Brown. 7000s can go to Orange, Green and Pink. Seeing as purple line uses the same set of 5400s it would make sense to at least assign 7000s to the Red line to give it newer cars. Then send 150 5000s to green and another 150 to orange. The rest can go to Pink Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artthouwill Posted December 2, 2023 Report Share Posted December 2, 2023 49 minutes ago, Sam92 said: Well if the expansion of services happen then Red, purple and yellow would need 662 cars combined. If they want to keep just one series at Howard then that leaves 5000s as the only choice. 9000s can go to Blue and Brown. 7000s can go to Orange, Green and Pink. Seeing as purple line uses the same set of 5400s it would make sense to at least assign 7000s to the Red line to give it newer cars. Then send 150 5000s to green and another 150 to orange. The rest can go to Pink I think what @Busjack said makes the most sense.. it's also the easiest. Just pull the Pink and Green Line 5000s and put them on Red, which covers the Red Line expansion. The new 9000 cars can go to Green, Pink, Orange, and Brown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javi75 Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 On 12/2/2023 at 3:06 PM, artthouwill said: I think what @Busjack said makes the most sense.. it's also the easiest. Just pull the Pink and Green Line 5000s and put them on Red, which covers the Red Line expansion. The new 9000 cars can go to Green, Pink, Orange, and Brown. The loop elevated fleet very uniformed outside of peak rush when purple heads to the loop. Hopefully they do blue ends on this series, I like that about the 7000s. It’s a different look for CTA rail cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted January 27 Author Report Share Posted January 27 8 hours ago, Javi75 said: The loop elevated fleet very uniformed outside of peak rush when purple heads to the loop. Nope. The Green and Pink Lines also run there. Maybe you mean after my proposal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javi75 Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 24 minutes ago, Busjack said: Nope. The Green and Pink Lines also run there. Maybe you mean after my proposal. I was talking about if the 9000s go to green orange, pink and brown that would make the loop elevated a uniform fleet outside of when the purple line express runs. How long do you think it will be before the 9000s see revenue service? I could see the 2600s reaching 50 year service lives with the 3200s hitting their 40s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted January 27 Author Report Share Posted January 27 1 minute ago, Javi75 said: How long do you think it will be before the 9000s see revenue service? I could see the 2600s reaching 50 year service lives with the 3200s hitting their 40s. I indicated before that if past is prologue, it will take a year to design them and solicit bids, then some time for the winning bidder to build prototypes, and then a year of testing. Considering that I pushed it out to at least 2027, I wonder how far behind CRRC is on the 7000s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javi75 Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 2 hours ago, Busjack said: I indicated before that if past is prologue, it will take a year to design them and solicit bids, then some time for the winning bidder to build prototypes, and then a year of testing. Considering that I pushed it out to at least 2027, I wonder how far behind CRRC is on the 7000s. I wish CTA would’ve landed a deal with the 5000s the way it did with the new flyer 1000s. Had another contract option of 350 more 5000s cars, that’s a really good series despite early issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javi75 Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 I’m guessing CCRC won’t be manufacturing the 9000s though and we find a quality manufacturer that can get the series in service efficiently. I brought up the 5000s and 7000s just to hope that there isn’t another set back with future rail cars. I wonder who does the design proposals for railcars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javi75 Posted January 27 Report Share Posted January 27 6 hours ago, Busjack said: I indicated before that if past is prologue, it will take a year to design them and solicit bids, then some time for the winning bidder to build prototypes, and then a year of testing. Considering that I pushed it out to at least 2027, I wonder how far behind CRRC is on the 7000s. Also how much power does the mayor of Chicago have in railcar orders? I wouldn’t want Brandon Johnson touching anything related to CTA lol, he’s the type who would complicate a railcar order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted January 28 Author Report Share Posted January 28 3 hours ago, Javi75 said: Also how much power does the mayor of Chicago have in railcar orders? I wouldn’t want Brandon Johnson touching anything related to CTA lol, he’s the type who would complicate a railcar order. Rahm Emanuel thought he had some, when he said (1) Bombardier was going to rebuild 3200s in Chicago, and (2) the 7000s contract would bring jobs to Chicago. He got rebuked both times. In short, the answer is none. Do you think a teacher is a rail engineer? The response to the protest on the 7000s said what the mayor says is of no effect; there are procurement regulations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javi75 Posted January 28 Report Share Posted January 28 2 hours ago, Busjack said: Rahm Emanuel thought he had some, when he said (1) Bombardier was going to rebuild 3200s in Chicago, and (2) the 7000s contract would bring jobs to Chicago. He got rebuked both times. In short, the answer is none. Do you think a teacher is a rail engineer? The response to the protest on the 7000s said what the mayor says is of no effect; there are procurement regulations. That’s good to know lol, it’s best to keep political power away from ta equipment decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted February 12 Author Report Share Posted February 12 Agenda for Feb. 14 has: It appears to be a typo, as presumably 9000s (unless its something else, but CTA said the grant included designing the next generation of cars). One wonders how far out of date the 7000s spec is, if CTA needs a consultant to update the engineering. We'll have to see Wednesday if there actually is any discussion of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strictures Posted February 13 Report Share Posted February 13 I'm baffled as to why the CTA is designing the next series of cars, when the current series order is nowhere near complete. Exactly what new can they do, that the 7000s don't do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted February 13 Author Report Share Posted February 13 11 minutes ago, strictures said: I'm baffled as to why the CTA is designing the next series of cars, when the current series order is nowhere near complete. Exactly what new can they do, that the 7000s don't do? I don't either, when the 7000s spec was open-ended, with such things as "doors can slide inside or outside the car walls" and "if Van Dorn couplers are used, an adapter to couple with Form 5 couplers must be provided." (Neither happened.) The only thing firm was to use the 3200 seating arrangement. The only thing that was clear is by the time the 5000 spec. was re-released for the up to 846 cars, it was unworkable (except for Bombardier as a sole source), and obsolete (such as the punch-board system map). So, whatever is satisfactory for the rest of the 400 CRRC cars is apparently not for the 9000s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strictures Posted February 13 Report Share Posted February 13 3 hours ago, Busjack said: I don't either, when the 7000s spec was open-ended, with such things as "doors can slide inside or outside the car walls" and "if Van Dorn couplers are used, an adapter to couple with Form 5 couplers must be provided." Was anyone even considering an obsolete coupler design like the Van Dorn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted February 13 Author Report Share Posted February 13 8 minutes ago, strictures said: Was anyone even considering an obsolete coupler design like the Van Dorn? It wasn't disclosed who other than Bombardier or CRRC bid or what anyone proposed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted February 14 Author Report Share Posted February 14 On 2/12/2024 at 11:50 AM, Busjack said: We'll have to see Wednesday if there actually is any discussion of this. "No questions." "No questions." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wayfaringrob Posted February 14 Report Share Posted February 14 Seems like it's not a typo, but additional funding https://rtams.org/media/resources/cta-contracts-2016 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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