52A South Kedzie

[tonytavell]

Why does the 52A terminate at 63rd Place.

[nflyer22]

Why does the 52A terminate at 63rd Place.

I thought the 52 did as the southbound terminal, and the 52A terminates at the Kedzie Orange Line station.

[Busjack]

Come to think of it, nflyer22 is correct. And you are not old enough for when it actually did (when it ran out of Beverly garage).

[jajuan]

52 Kedzie/California terminates at 63rd Place for its south terminal. 52A S. Kedzie terminates at Kedzie Orange Line station for its north terminal. That has been the case since the start of the West Side Corridor Study service enhancements of a few years ago. There used to be 52A short run trips on weekends (basically every other bus) that ended at 63rd Place before that when the route had its north terminal at 36th/Kedzie. Also late evening trips shown on 52A schedules from the time of 36th/Kedzie service that ended at 63rd Pl. were actually 52 trips. There were notes on those schedules that had a note stating that. With the terminal now at Kedzie Orange Line for 52A, it no longer has runs that end at 63rd Pl. since that would only be a 14 block trip.

[tonytavell]

52 Kedzie/California terminates at 63rd Place for its south terminal. 52A S. Kedzie terminates at Kedzie Orange Line station for its north terminal. That has been the case since the start of the West Side Corridor Study service enhancements of a few years ago. There used to be 52A short run trips on weekends (basically every other bus) that ended at 63rd Place before that when the route had its north terminal at 36th/Kedzie. Also late evening trips shown on 52A schedules from the time of 36th/Kedzie service that ended at 63rd Pl. were actually 52 trips. There were notes on those schedules that had a note stating that. With the terminal now at Kedzie Orange Line for 52A, it no longer has runs that end at 63rd Pl. since that would only be a 14 block trip.

I didn't mean to cause trouble,I looked at the 52A schedule, and at 63rd Place,the CTA putted a dot at that stop, meaning that it must still laysover at 63rd Place.

PS: When 52A served 36th Street, and when 52 had Kedzie Orange Line as is southbound terminal, the 52 would layover at 63rd Place as a part-time stop.

[jajuan]

I didn't mean to cause trouble,I looked at the 52A schedule, and at 63rd Place,the CTA putted a dot at that stop, meaning that it must still laysover at 63rd Place.

PS: When 52A served 36th Street, and when 52 had Kedzie Orange Line as is southbound terminal, the 52 would layover at 63rd Place as a part-time stop.

It doesn't. The current schedule shows no times for any trips of the 52A laying over at 63rd Place. That dot is either a typo or refers to the 52 which now lays over there at all times of its service.

[BusHunter]

It doesn't. The current schedule shows no times for any trips of the 52A laying over at 63rd Place. That dot is either a typo or refers to the 52 which now lays over there at all times of its service.

Maybe he's referring to the dot printed for the #67 that has certain trips that terminate there. While on the subject of the #52A, just how many northern terminals has it had over the years. I can think of 4. The Archer/43rd turnaround I think before the Orange line, 36th/Kedzie after the Orange line, 63rd Pl, and The Orange line itself. One picture I saw on Flickr shows #9828 in what looks like it's early life. Did the #52A once run out of Beverly? Here's another one that shows what looks like #981? (6 maybe)

[Busjack]

Did the #52A once run out of Beverly?

Yes, when its terminal was at 63rd Place. I remember heading out in that direction when 7400-7935 came to find out where the missing part of the series was (with regard to what I had seen from 55th north). Turned out to be Beverly, and my first confirmed sighting was at 63rd Place and Kedzie.

[Busjack]

I didn't mean to cause trouble,I looked at the 52A schedule, and at 63rd Place,the CTA putted [sic] a dot at that stop, meaning that it must still laysover [sic] at 63rd Place.

The schedule, to which I provided a link above, doesn't technically even have 63rd Place, it has 63rd/Kedzie. There are plenty of asterisks for 115/Pulaski, but no dots.

[jajuan]

Maybe he's referring to the dot printed for the #67 that has certain trips that terminate there. While on the subject of the #52A, just how many northern terminals has it had over the years. I can think of 4. The Archer/43rd turnaround I think before the Orange line, 36th/Kedzie after the Orange line, 63rd Pl, and The Orange line itself. One picture I saw on Flickr shows #9828 in what looks like it's early life. Did the #52A once run out of Beverly? Here's another one that shows what looks like #981? (6 maybe)

Yeah true since the 67 late evening trips are listed in the 52A schedule in a separate subsection. It could also easily refer to the 63 weekday rush short trips that start/end there now that I think about it. The 67 trips make more since though.

[tonytavell]

Speaking of the 52A, why does it deadheads to Evergreen Plaza at night ?

[BusHunter]

Yes, when its terminal was at 63rd Place. I remember heading out in that direction when 7400-7935 came to find out where the missing part of the series was (with regard to what I had seen from 55th north). Turned out to be Beverly, and my first confirmed sighting was at 63rd Place and Kedzie.

Was there any other unusual routes that ran out of Beverly? I was always under the impression that the garage mostly mirrored what 103rd has today for routes with it being replaced by them in 1988. I guess I am forgetting that Beverly's 1300 west and 103rd is 1700 east. So would that mean that a route like #49A would have been Beverly too?

[Busjack]

Was there any other unusual routes that ran out of Beverly? I was always under the impression that the garage mostly mirrored what 103rd has today for routes with it being replaced by them in 1988. I guess I am forgetting that Beverly's 1300 west and 103rd is 1700 east. So would that mean that a route like #49A would have been Beverly too?

Yes.

Basically Beverly had everything from 95th south, and Pullman through Kedzie. If I remember correctly, that included 95W and 49A (Bill V. corroborates this).

The biggest change when 103 came on was that first Jeffery and Stony Island were shifted there. Of course, there have been other shifts from 77th since then.

[artthouwill]

Alsp the 63rd route now has short turns at Kedzie that use that turnaround.

[BusHunter]

Yes.

Basically Beverly had everything from 95th south, and Pullman through Kedzie. If I remember correctly, that included 95W and 49A (Bill V. corroborates this).

The biggest change when 103 came on was that first Jeffery and Stony Island were shifted there. Of course, there have been other shifts from 77th since then.

Cool link, I didn't know this page existed on Bill v.'s site. Now I can find out what ran out of 52nd and Keeler garages and figure out the SE side bus assignments back then.

[wordguy]

Cool link, I didn't know this page existed on Bill v.'s site. Now I can find out what ran out of 52nd and Keeler garages and figure out the SE side bus assignments back then.

Agreed, it's an amazing list, probably the best there is.

That said, I did notice two omissions. There were two routes numbered 13. The first operated along Elston from Division to Milwaukee (the far end). Its south terminal was Chicago & State. It was probably created to replace the car line in early '51. I believe it was discontinued in the early '60s.

A very short-lived Route 13 existed during the early '70s, operating from the Jefferson Park Terminal to somewhere in southwest Skokie. The number 89 was also recycled for maybe a year or two for service along Kedzie from Logan Square to about Foster(?). I think it was cut in '81.

[busfan2847]

Agreed, it's an amazing list, probably the best there is.

That said, I did notice two omissions. There were two routes numbered 13. The first operated along Elston from Division to Milwaukee (the far end). Its south terminal was Chicago & State. It was probably created to replace the car line in early '51. I believe it was discontinued in the early '60s.

A very short-lived Route 13 existed during the early '70s, operating from the Jefferson Park Terminal to somewhere in southwest Skokie. The number 89 was also recycled for maybe a year or two for service along Kedzie from Logan Square to about Foster(?). I think it was cut in '81.

Here is what I have got for the various 13 and 89s from a number of sources including Bill and Andre

(13 Halsted-Archer)

Through Route streetcar introduced 12/13/11, supplementing existing service, DISCONTINUED 1924.

Operated from Halsted/Grace to Archer/Cicero via Halsted & Archer. From 7/16/12 became a short-turn Halsted route running from Grace to 63rd. By July 1913 north end cut back to Clark/Halsted extended to Waveland terminal from 4/28/15.

(13 Elston) 6/20/59-9/9/73 WAS (55 Elston)

CRys

Streetcar 1894, Bus 1/21/51, Renumbered 13 6/20/59, DISCONTINUED 9/9/73

North of Lawrence (55A): Trolleybus 7/1/30, Bus 1/21/51, Renumbered 41 4/28/57, DISCONTINUED 10/5/97

From 1894 to 1897 ran from Milwaukee to Montrose on Elston when it was extended west on Montrose to Knox and south on Milwaukee to downtown. From 11/28/14 the line was extended northwest on Elston to Lawrence and service on Montrose was abandoned. An extension trolleybus route 55A was established 7/1/30 to Elston/Milwaukee on far northwest side. From 10/7/49 the daytime service was cut back to Milwaukee with the downtown service reduced to RH only but the service downtown was restored 1/30/50 via Division, Crosby, Larrabee, Chicago and Wells. From 1/21/51, the streetcars and extension trolleybus route all became a through motor bus route, WE and eve ran from Holbrook to Milwaukee/Ashland. Depot shuttles are provided in the RH but were withdrawn from 2/2/53. From 4/28/57, service north of Belmont Ave. routed through with Clybourn route forming 41 Elston-Clybourn route. Remaining 55 service reduced to RH only from Pulaski to State via Elston, Division, Crosby, Larrabee and Chicago with daytime service running from Roscoe via California and Elston to ‘L’ station at Chicago/Milwaukee. Renumbered 13 Elston, 6/20/59 CTA assigned route number 55 to service on 55th St./Garfield Blvd. Daytime shuttle service w 7/30/61.

Carhouse: Elston (also trolleybuses), Bus Garage: North Park (1/21/51-12/4/55), Forest Glen (12/4/55-9/9/73)

(13 Southwest Skokie)

New cta bus 3/4/74, DISCONTINUED 9/7/76

Weekday rush service from Jefferson Park to Niles Center (almost same a Evanston Bus 9 w 4/73). Extended to serve industries in Skokie 2/10/75. Withdrawn as Nortran has been operating 226 Oakton over a similar route since late 1975.

Bus Garage: Forest Glen

89 Northwest Highway NOW 68

New CSL Bus 4/21/35

Originally route number 89 operating from Milwaukee to city limits at Ozark via Northwest Highway. Ran through as route 92 Foster-Northwest Highway from 1/27/43 until 2/1/70, when route was split again at new Jefferson Park station and r/n 68. Extended to Park Ridge from Ozark daytime 11/30/75. Owl, late evening and Sunday w 9/13/81. Su service reinstated 4/18/82. Late evening service restored 7/4/82 and all journeys extended to Park Ridge.

Bus Garage: North Ave. (4/21/35-1/27/43), Lawrence (1/27/43-5/30/54), North Park (5/30/54-9/7/57), Forest Glen (9/7/57-present)

(89 Jeffrey – 100th)

New CSL Bus 4/12/45, DISCONTINUED 12/4/49.

Originally route 89 Jeffery-100th. Bus route introduced 4/12/45 between Stony Island/93rd and 103rd/Torrence serving the Jeffrey Manor neighbourhood via 93rd, Jeffrey, Van Vlissingen, 100th & Torrence. Much of route also duplicated by CMC 4 Jeffery route from 12/15/46.

Bus Garage: 77th St.

(89 Yates-95th)

New CTA Bus 12/4/49, DISCONTINUED 12/20/71.

New Route 12/4/49 with 89 Yates-95th, a short route between 91st/Baltimore and 104th/Torrence. Late Su eve w 5/11/52. Su service w 9/10/61. Route replaced by extension to 71 withdrawn 3/26/72.

Bus Garage: 77th St.

(89 Northeastern Illinois U-Bus)

New CTA bus 8/9/77; DISCONTINUED 6/19/81

Route to University from Evanston via Church with loop Crawford, Pulaski, Bryn Mawr, W parking lot, Bryn Mawr, Kimball and McCormick (loop reversed pm). Ran M-F term time only (hourly 8am to 5pm except 12 noon). Discontinued 9/13/81 but had not run since end of school on 6/19/81.

(Normal bus 8499 which broke down often!).

Bus Garage: North Park

(89 North Kedzie)

New CTA bus 6/21/82, DISCONTINUED 2/2/92

Originally had been a streetcar segment operating via Kedzie between Logan Square and Foster this became part of 93. From 1/3/82 Kedzie Ave. segment was temporarily discontinued but was restored as a separate route 6/21/82. Weekdays only 5am-7pm every 20 mins.

Bus Garage: North Park.

[BusHunter]

Chicago -l.org has a few of the older CTA maps online. Particularly interesting to me is the bus routings in 1965 when the Logan square elevated existed. These maps show the #13 in it's Elston era. Click on the 1975 one to show the #13 from Skokie to Jefferson Pk. The only thing with the old maps is that I can't access the downtown routings, there must have been a seperate map.

[Busjack]

The only thing with the old maps is that I can't access the downtown routings, there must have been a seperate map.

On the 1969 map I have, nope, and I believe that the downtown map inset came much later. In those days, though, there was the complete text description of each route on the back, as illustrated by my scan for the panel containing Addison.