Kevin Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 From The Press Republican (via CPTDB): PLATTSBURGH -- A Canadian bus manufacturer is considering building an assembly plant in Clinton County. Information obtained by the Press-Republican from the Town of Plattsburgh Planning and Engineering Department under the Freedom of Information Act includes a traffic study prepared by Stantec Consulting Services Inc. for a bus-assembly plant. The company behind the plan is believed to be Nova Bus, a division of Prevost Car Inc. Pierre Pelland, a Nova Bus spokesman, said he was not able to comment on the company's plans. Full article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 Googling found that Montreal is about as happy with its Novas as we are with NABIs. canada.com story. Wasn't being jerky part of the complaint about the CTA Novas? Googling didn't find any press release for an upcoming U.S. contract. However, one thing that happens frequently in New York is that one town celebrates that it thinks it is getting jobs, not realizing that a town maybe 50 miles away previously lost the same jobs. That is at least the case here, although whether Nova would build a new plant in Plattsburgh after abandoning one in Schenectady remains to be seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sw4400 Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 From The Press Republican (via CPTDB): Full article. Where is Plattsburgh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 Where is Plattsburgh?In northern New York's Adirondack area, the closest metropolis being Montreal. Google Map. I might have underestimated the distance between the two towns; Google Maps indicates 155 miles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamir4317 Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 If Nova is returning to the US, then soon, MAN will return to the US. It is their destiny. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielsmusic Posted February 7, 2008 Report Share Posted February 7, 2008 If Nova is returning to the US, then soon, MAN will return to the US. It is their destiny. I WISH!!! Still, I don't think MAN's going to come back to the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIPTA42 Posted February 8, 2008 Report Share Posted February 8, 2008 However, one thing that happens frequently in New York is that one town celebrates that it thinks it is getting jobs, not realizing that a town maybe 50 miles away previously lost the same jobs. Maybe they lowball each other on tax incentives :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted April 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2008 Ground breaking was yesterday (story, video). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajuan Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 If Nova is returning to the US, then soon, MAN will return to the US. It is their destiny. Actually MAN still lives on in a way through the New Flyer LF models that are in service across the US. Their axles are manufactured by MAN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted January 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 New York is currently testing a Nova LFS Articulated bus. (Photos in 4th post.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sw4400 Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 New York is currently testing a Nova LFS Articulated bus. (Photos in 4th post.) I can't access them, Kevin. Can you perhaps provide a link or something? The board says I need to sign up there to view them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted January 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 I can't access them, Kevin. Can you perhaps provide a link or something? The board says I need to sign up there to view them. Whoops... didn't realize they required registration to view attachments on that forum. I've re-attached them here. These photos are credited to J. Caronetti. Borderline copyright infringement, but apparently they were originally posted by someone else anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geneking7320 Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 Hi All; I actually like the looks of the bus. Questions: 1) Is the engine positioned like the 40ft Nova LFS or is positioned like the New Flyer low floors? 2) It appears the front doors [opposite the driver] are not simetric. Is that true? Gene King Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted January 6, 2009 Report Share Posted January 6, 2009 Hi All; I actually like the looks of the bus. Questions: 1) Is the engine positioned like the 40ft Nova LFS or is positioned like the New Flyer low floors? 2) It appears the front doors [opposite the driver] are not simetric. Is that true? Gene King1)The rear shot, by having a full width window, indicates that it isn't a "engine in the closet" like our Novas. 2)The windows are kind of strange, especially in that the sliding portions are high. Of course, window style is always an option. 3)The A/C vent on the back is ugly, and the bus also seems to have roof pods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MT0851 Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 1)The rear shot, by having a full width window, indicates that it isn't a "engine in the closet" like our Novas. 2)The windows are kind of strange, especially in that the sliding portions are high. Of course, window style is always an option. 3)The A/C vent on the back is ugly, and the bus also seems to have roof pods. Correct it's a rear engine configuration, not an off balanced engine mount. I agree with you on number three, very ugly. That box just houses the compressors for the A/C, the roof pods just house the AHUs (Cooling/heating coils, and the blowers). 2) It appears the front doors [opposite the driver] are not simetric. Is that true? Yes it's true, Vancouver Translink's Nova LFSes have the same doors. Only the the big piece of the door opens to help maintain the air temperature inside the bus. When the wheel chair ramp needs to be deployed, the smaller piece opens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmadisonwi Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 Yes it's true, Vancouver Translink's Nova LFSes have the same doors. Only the the big piece of the door opens to help maintain the air temperature inside the bus. When the wheel chair ramp needs to be deployed, the smaller piece opens. My understanding is that air temperature has nothing to do with it (that tiny little door panel wouldn't do much to keep air in/out anyway). Rather, when Vancouver/BC Transit (I think they were still BC Transit back then) bought a single Nova LFS back in 1998 as a test, the main complaint from the bus operators was that they had to crane their necks too far around to see passengers with flash passes and transfers, because the door was much further back than it is on other buses. By only opening the front 2/3 of the door, passengers can enter where the driver has a better chance of seeing their passes without hurting their neck. Maintaining air temperature inside the bus would be an odd reason because 1) it usually doesn't get really cold in Vancouver (to want to keep the heat in), and 2) Vancouver's buses don't have air conditioning (with the exception of their Orion V express coaches), so there'd be no real benefit in the summer either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MT0851 Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 My understanding is that air temperature has nothing to do with it (that tiny little door panel wouldn't do much to keep air in/out anyway). Rather, when Vancouver/BC Transit (I think they were still BC Transit back then) bought a single Nova LFS back in 1998 as a test, the main complaint from the bus operators was that they had to crane their necks too far around to see passengers with flash passes and transfers, because the door was much further back than it is on other buses. By only opening the front 2/3 of the door, passengers can enter where the driver has a better chance of seeing their passes without hurting their neck. Maintaining air temperature inside the bus would be an odd reason because 1) it usually doesn't get really cold in Vancouver (to want to keep the heat in), and 2) Vancouver's buses don't have air conditioning (with the exception of their Orion V express coaches), so there'd be no real benefit in the summer either. You're right, I remember now. There was a big debate about it on the CPTDB back when Translink first got it's demo back in 2007. I remember someone bringing up something about it having to do about maintaining air temperature, but it was shot down but what you just said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 A post there with a picture from one of the Wikipedia contributors from NYC. Also, a comment there "One of Chicago's New Flyer DE60LFs had a rear door issue too." Wonder where they found out? :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geneking7320 Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 Correct it's a rear engine configuration, not an off balanced engine mount. I agree with you on number three, very ugly. That box just houses the compressors for the A/C, the roof pods just house the AHUs (Cooling/heating coils, and the blowers). Yes it's true, Vancouver Translink's Nova LFSes have the same doors. Only the the big piece of the door opens to help maintain the air temperature inside the bus. When the wheel chair ramp needs to be deployed, the smaller piece opens. Has Nova decided to implement this rear engine config to all their buses or just the artics? Gene King Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MT0851 Posted January 7, 2009 Report Share Posted January 7, 2009 Has Nova decided to implement this rear engine config to all their buses or just the artics? Gene King I honestly have no idea, the STM's (Montreal) and Translink's (Vancouver) newest LFSes still have the offside engine mount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. Badaraco Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 1)The rear shot, by having a full width window, indicates that it isn't a "engine in the closet" like our Novas. 2)The windows are kind of strange, especially in that the sliding portions are high. Of course, window style is always an option. 3)The A/C vent on the back is ugly, and the bus also seems to have roof pods. The vent on the back actually houses the engine cooling system. It's mounted high to avoid debris from the road. Has Nova decided to implement this rear engine config to all their buses or just the artics? Gene King All of their buses will have the centre mounted engine. It should start this year. Some 40 foot demos have already been produced with the new engine placement. I honestly have no idea, the STM's (Montreal) and Translink's (Vancouver) newest LFSes still have the offside engine mount. You should know not to use the STM as a reference. They are still getting the old style front! :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geneking7320 Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 1)The rear shot, by having a full width window, indicates that it isn't a "engine in the closet" like our Novas. 2)The windows are kind of strange, especially in that the sliding portions are high. Of course, window style is always an option. 3)The A/C vent on the back is ugly, and the bus also seems to have roof pods. I don't find the back vent ugly but that's just my opinion. Does the rear of the bus remind anyone of the Volvo artics? Think of SEPTA some years ago. Gene King Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted January 8, 2009 Report Share Posted January 8, 2009 I don't find the back vent ugly but that's just my opinion. Does the rear of the bus remind anyone of the Volvo artics? Think of SEPTA some years ago. Gene KingIn that there is the high back vent, thr BusExplorer picture at the bottom of the page would suggest that. Taillights are different, and no rear window on the Philadelphia one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geneking7320 Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 When I looked at the Novabus website today I got the impression that only the artics would have the T-drive engine layout (vs. the "closet"). Gene King Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MT0851 Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 You should know not to use the STM as a reference. They are still getting the old style front! And they probably will be for years to come. Anyways someone asked if NovaBus has built a 40 footer with the center engine mount and the answer is yes, you cand find some pictures here http://www.trans-vancouver.fotopic.net/c1519768.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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