artthouwill Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 Is it me or are all of the windows 9aside from the windshield dirty or foggy on Pace buses? This does not seem to be a problem on CTA, and this wasn't a problem on any model before the Orion V and NABI models. The biggest culprits seem to be at Pace's WEst and South Divisions. I believe it is an exterior problem moreso that the interior. Pace doesn't seem interested in tinted windows any longer, but at least those were clean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted November 5, 2011 Report Share Posted November 5, 2011 Is it me or are all of the windows 9aside from the windshield dirty or foggy on Pace buses? This does not seem to be a problem on CTA, and this wasn't a problem on any model before the Orion V and NABI models. The biggest culprits seem to be at Pace's WEst and South Divisions. I believe it is an exterior problem moreso that the interior. Pace doesn't seem interested in tinted windows any longer, but at least those were clean. I always believed the windows were foggy because they are plastic unbreakable windows (like a form of plexiglass) and they tend to scratch. All Pace NABI's have this. The windshield is glass however and can shatter.(If you can remember in the early 1980's the CTA used to have plastic windows on there #9600 fleet and they scratched and looked foggy too until they were swapped out for the sliding window retrofits.) The latest Orions and Eldo's seem to be glass with no tinting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted November 6, 2011 Report Share Posted November 6, 2011 The latest Orions and Eldo's seem to be glass with no tinting. I don't know about the others, but the passenger ones on the Eldos are double plastic (sort of like storm windows). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwantae Posted November 7, 2011 Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 I thought it was just South Division that just don't care for cleaning up their NABI bus windows because every NABI I see down there are super dirty, but I do see some West Division's NABIs are in same situation. When South Division had couple remaining 1993 Orion 1s (2309/ 2325) back in 2007 before their retirement, their windows were still clean like new windows. And I'll have to agree sort of that Nova Classic's window were more cleaner than Orion VIs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artthouwill Posted November 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2011 Somebody at Pace West must've read this thread. Bus 6321's windows were very clean, at least on the front half of the bus. The back half windows, well, same old story. The Orion Vs have been cleaner lately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8itall4u Posted November 8, 2011 Report Share Posted November 8, 2011 How timely. I believe the windows are not "cloudy" just because they are plastic, they are also dirty. Just this morning around 6:15, 6254 pulled along side of me. But before I saw the number, I knew it was one of the recent transfers. While it was dirty from the rain, it was cleaner than most South division buses on a clear day. I see a.m. pullouts because of my work hours and many days I have pointed out dirty buses to those riding with me. Not long ago South and Southwest buses operated with good paint, clean windows, clean wheels, especially the rear duals with all splashguards in place. (pardon me, I'm waxing) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 I spotted something interesting on NABI bus #6290 out of West. All the lower windows (not the top ones that open) have been replaced with what appears to be glass windows. They also replaced all the weather stripping, which was a big clue, from gray to black. I wonder if this is being done to the other buses in the same series. These are alot clearer than the plastic version and look better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwantae Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 I spotted something interesting on NABI bus #6290 out of West. All the lower windows (not the top ones that open) have been replaced with what appears to be glass windows. They also replaced all the weather stripping, which was a big clue, from gray to black. I wonder if this is being done to the other buses in the same series. These are alot clearer than the plastic version and look better. I doubt it if it's gonna be done on 1998-99 NABI 2401s, since they're on their way for retirement no time soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 One thing Ive noticed about South Division buses, why are they always so dirty? They have so much body damage, scratches, There is so much soot always collected all around the exhaust stack on top and not to mention the dirty windows! One morning I drove Orion #2293 down to Pace South for a parts run, I saw a couple of NABIs driving past me in the yard and they look as though theyve seen better days! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 One thing Ive noticed about South Division buses, why are they always so dirty? They have so much body damage, scratches, There is so much soot always collected all around the exhaust stack on top and not to mention the dirty windows! One morning I drove Orion #2293 down to Pace South for a parts run, I saw a couple of NABIs driving past me in the yard and they look as though theyve seen better days! Basically, that's the only division that gets hard use (i.e. routes with city frequency and loads, like 352 Halsted). Maybe West has comparable use. Don't know if there is a comparative analysis of maintenance practices among the divisions. Also, maybe they think that by mid 2013, they will have a new fleet. :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 30, 2012 Report Share Posted January 30, 2012 Basically, that's the only division that gets hard use (i.e. routes with city frequency and loads, like 352 Halsted). Maybe West has comparable use. Don't know if there is a comparative analysis of maintenance practices among the divisions. Also, maybe they think that by mid 2013, they will have a new fleet. If these buses at South are that busy, which I dont deny, then the maintenance team at South needs to work a little harder to make those buses look a little more presentable. Obviously theres are maintenance issues at South. The buses just look awful! Pace West and NW buses see the same hard service as their South counterparts. But yet those buses always looking in good shape and well maintained! Our NABIs that we ran at Academy sem to be in good shape, Ive only had maybe two (Nabi) breakdowns in the four years I worked there!. They didnt have good wash facilities there yet the buses remained clean for the most part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwantae Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 One thing Ive noticed about South Division buses, why are they always so dirty? They have so much body damage, scratches, There is so much soot always collected all around the exhaust stack on top and not to mention the dirty windows! One morning I drove Orion #2293 down to Pace South for a parts run, I saw a couple of NABIs driving past me in the yard and they look as though theyve seen better days! I grew up in Detroit Area, Every time I see mostly NABIs from South Division, their condition reminds me of Detroit D-DOT/ Smart Fleet of how they never take care of their bodies, Even D-DOT's New Flyers that are 5 & less years old are already rusty beat up as their RTSes and SMART's Gilligs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted January 31, 2012 Report Share Posted January 31, 2012 I doubt it if it's gonna be done on 1998-99 NABI 2401s, since they're on their way for retirement no time soon. I just mean't the blue liveried ones. It would make sense to change those out since they'll be around for longer. As far as why South has such bad equipment, they do have some of the oldest equipment at Pace. (North might be having similar issues) They don't have Eldo's like NW to fall back on for the weekends, and West has newer buses. Probably when the new order comes in, South would be the logical place to start, then North or West depending on whether they would want North to get new buses or not. They may end up with the newer NABI's at West. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artthouwill Posted February 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2012 I spotted something interesting on NABI bus #6290 out of West. All the lower windows (not the top ones that open) have been replaced with what appears to be glass windows. They also replaced all the weather stripping, which was a big clue, from gray to black. I wonder if this is being done to the other buses in the same series. These are alot clearer than the plastic version and look better. Spotted the same on 6249 and 6312 today. They do look very nice. I haven't seen any on the 6600s nor have I made a trip out south yet to see if the same is being done at South. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 Spotted the same on 6249 and 6312 today. They do look very nice. I haven't seen any on the 6600s nor have I made a trip out south yet to see if the same is being done at South. I'm surprised one of the older NABI's (#6249) was done. That particular series might be gone by 2015 if they get 416 of the axess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i8itall4u Posted February 14, 2012 Report Share Posted February 14, 2012 I'm surprised one of the older NABI's (#6249) was done. That particular series might be gone by 2015 if they get 416 of the axess. I saw South's 6164 from about a block away yesterday and it looked like it received a facelift! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artthouwill Posted February 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2012 I spotted something interesting on NABI bus #6290 out of West. All the lower windows (not the top ones that open) have been replaced with what appears to be glass windows. They also replaced all the weather stripping, which was a big clue, from gray to black. I wonder if this is being done to the other buses in the same series. These are alot clearer than the plastic version and look better. Bus 6273 and6280, 6286 and 6296 6308 also has the black weather stripping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artthouwill Posted March 7, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 I'm surprised one of the older NABI's (#6249) was done. That particular series might be gone by 2015 if they get 416 of the axess. You can add 6228 & 6244 to that list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted March 8, 2012 Report Share Posted March 8, 2012 You can add 6228 & 6244 to that list. I wonder if they'll do the #6600's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artthouwill Posted March 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2012 I wonder if they'll do the #6600's. I doubt.it Bus 6272 has only 2 windows replaced with the.black weatherstrip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artthouwill Posted April 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 I wonder if they'll do the #6600's. I didn't think they would, but 6638 has the new windoes and I saw one window replaced on 6630. I guess that shows how much I Knorr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted April 19, 2012 Report Share Posted April 19, 2012 Looks like the replacement windows have reached North Shore, I spotted #6267 there yesterday with new windows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwantae Posted April 24, 2012 Report Share Posted April 24, 2012 There are still more than few of NABIs at South Division has dirty, scratchy Windows, I just spotted #6182 working 356 with most of the windows are so scratched up like it's been written on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rotjohns Posted April 25, 2012 Report Share Posted April 25, 2012 There are still more than few of NABIs at South Division has dirty, scratchy Windows, I just spotted #6182 working 356 with most of the windows are so scratched up like it's been written on it. This is why I am so worried about the new buses heading to South. Although it happens on every area, South seems to be getting it the worst when it comes to windows and probably everywhere else inside their buses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erin Mishkin Jr. Posted November 20, 2019 Report Share Posted November 20, 2019 Last weekend (the 9th) I rode 6263 and the windows were real foggy, I thought they didn't wash the bus until I saw the thread. 6273 also had foggy windows yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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