May 19 CTA Timetables Available

[chicagopcclcar]

Get out your stopwatches, calendars, i-pads/etc....the May 19 timetables for all routes affected by the Ryan closure are up.

http://www.transitchicago.com/travel_information/service_changes/201305timetables.aspx

[BusHunter]

Get out your stopwatches, calendars, i-pads/etc....the May 19 timetables for all routes affected by the Ryan closure are up.

http://www.transitchicago.com/travel_information/service_changes/201305timetables.aspx

I hate to ask, but will the Green line #5000's going to Roosevelt be displaying loop signs? We know there isn't a Green line Roosevelt sign. (Again a sign just saying Roosevelt without color, similar to the not in service signs would work universally across all lines) They are going to have that problem as well with the Red line trains going to Roosevelt what will their destination signs show?

[chicagopcclcar]

Where do you get this idea that the CTA 'L' trains have to display EXACTLY their terminal, no matter how temporary. Pink line trains say Loop and they terminate around the inner Loop. They still say Loop when they terminate at Roosevelt. They still say Loop when they terminate at Clinton/Lake. Passengers are informed of the differences via PA announcements.

So yes, the Green line trains that terminate at Roosevelt should just say Loop. They are only going to Roosevelt for operational convenience. The operator should inform his or her passengers the exact routings and destinations. Green line trains going to Cottage Grove have no problem.

And all southbound transfers should ride to Garfield/Green and transfer on the platform. Reds wanting to go to Cottage Grove. Greens wanting to go to Ashland/63. Transferring at Roosevelt is too much walking. It's not worth it.

[busfan2847]

I hate to ask, but will the Green line #5000's going to Roosevelt be displaying loop signs? We know there isn't a Green line Roosevelt sign. (Again a sign just saying Roosevelt without color, similar to the not in service signs would work universally across all lines) They are going to have that problem as well with the Red line trains going to Roosevelt what will their destination signs show?

Where does it say they are going to Roosevelt? The diagram and timetable show Green Line Trains terminating downtown travelling via the Wells and Van Buren legs of the Loop before heading out to Harlem again from Adams/Wabash. The timing point is Library on Van Buren for the trains maked L in the timetable.

[Busjack]

Where does it say they are going to Roosevelt? The diagram and timetable show Green Line Trains terminating downtown travelling via the Wells and Van Buren legs of the Loop before heading out to Harlem again from Adams/Wabash. The timing point is Library on Van Buren for the trains maked L in the timetable.

Weekday runs, other than in the afternoon, have time points at Roosevelt and dashes thereafter if they are not going to Cottage Grove.

Afternoon runs have the L legend and a dash at Roosevelt.

However, except for people fluent with such things as Russell's guides, the timetables are confusing in that they basically indicate that the Green Line runs only to Cottage Grove (which technically I suppose it does).

Also, the bus schedules are confusing in that they refer to Ashland and Halsted Red Line stations, although that for the next 5 months is also technically correct.

[chicagopcclcar]

Where does it say they are going to Roosevelt? The diagram and timetable show Green Line Trains terminating downtown travelling via the Wells and Van Buren legs of the Loop before heading out to Harlem again from Adams/Wabash. The timing point is Library on Van Buren for the trains maked L in the timetable.

All Green line trains except eleven trains during the pm rush go to Roosevelt. Those eleven pm rush trains terminate on the outer Loop and go back to Harlem. In the am rush, eleven Green line trains terminate at Roosevelt. This information is in the schedule. It is not shown clearly in the map/diagram. "Through" riders from the west to the south side will have a learning curve to surmount, for sure.

[jtrosario]

Nice to see recognition and schedules of the Brownage trains on both the Orange and Brown line advance timetables.

[jajuan]

Well they have to do a little proofreading before they publish some of these because the Red Line route map has an owl service notation that owl service is between Howard and 95th when the period May 19th through October 19th that's not true. As for the bus schedules they're not really too confusing because the bus maps show that any affected bus route in question will reroute and directly serve either the Ashland/63rd station or the Halsted one. One thing of note is that the 71 won't make any stops between 69th/State and Garfield Red/Green. And I'm not really seeing the confusion about the Green Line as the map is showing that during the shutdown all the through trains will only go to Cottage Grove, leaving the Ashland/63rd branch to be served only by the Red Line, and those short turned trains not terminating at Roosevelt will travel along the outer loop tracks after Clinton to get turned around back to Harlem.

[BusHunter]

Where do you get this idea that the CTA 'L' trains have to display EXACTLY their terminal, no matter how temporary. Pink line trains say Loop and they terminate around the inner Loop. They still say Loop when they terminate at Roosevelt. They still say Loop when they terminate at Clinton/Lake. Passengers are informed of the differences via PA announcements.

So yes, the Green line trains that terminate at Roosevelt should just say Loop. They are only going to Roosevelt for operational convenience. The operator should inform his or her passengers the exact routings and destinations.

I can't believe you just said that. So what exactly are you saying? When the Red line goes to Roosevelt only you put up 63rd or 95th street signs? (at least it's on the same side of the city) Then your saying for Green line it's OK to only have loop signs when going to Roosevelt? Especially when you have trains going to Roosevelt and trains going around the loop on the same day. (weekdays) To add to the confusion, train tracker is going to display Roosevelt signs and there is no Roosevelt destination sign on a train. That may squeak by on the Pink line on weekends, but you suggest it's OK to do this during the rush. Not to mention if a hearing impaired rider is going to board the train, they are going to be really confused.

Really, I don't see the purpose of going to Roosevelt at all, why not have all the Green line trains going to Roosevelt go around the loop? There's no need for the Red line trains to go to Roosevelt either. There going to end up with the same switching issues they had with the Wells Street Bridge project phase one. Another thing I don't understand, if they don't plan on putting #5000's on the Blue line why do they need to even program those signs on the #5000's? That's a waste of storage space. That could be easily open up a few slots for Roosevelt signs. Hopefully when they order the #7000's, they get enough storage space on the signs to program the entire system in.

[chicagopcclcar]

I can't believe you just said that. So what exactly are you saying? When the Red line goes to Roosevelt only you put up 63rd or 95th street signs? (at least it's on the same side of the city) Then your saying for Green line it's OK to only have loop signs when going to Roosevelt? Especially when you have trains going to Roosevelt and trains going around the loop on the same day. (weekdays) To add to the confusion, train tracker is going to display Roosevelt signs and there is no Roosevelt destination sign on a train. That may squeak by on the Pink line on weekends, but you suggest it's OK to do this during the rush. Not to mention if a hearing impaired rider is going to board the train, they are going to be really confused.

Really, I don't see the purpose of going to Roosevelt at all, why not have all the Green line trains going to Roosevelt go around the loop? There's no need for the Red line trains to go to Roosevelt either. There going to end up with the same switching issues they had with the Wells Street Bridge project phase one. Another thing I don't understand, if they don't plan on putting #5000's on the Blue line why do they need to even program those signs on the #5000's? That's a waste of storage space. That could be easily open up a few slots for Roosevelt signs. Hopefully when they order the #7000's, they get enough storage space on the signs to program the entire system in.

When is the Red line only going to Roosevelt?

[BusHunter]

When is the Red line only going to Roosevelt?

Select trains in the morning weekday rush. (check the 7:12 departure out of Howard)

[chicagopcclcar]

Select trains in the morning weekday rush. (check the 7:12 departure out of Howard)

That's weird......good find.

[Sam92]

That's weird......good find.

Peeped that yesterday and it may be from the north-south ridership imbalance and unneeded trains going south that others mentioned... Would they possibly use the tracks going the normal route of the subway to store these trains and turn them back at the 15th interlocking? Maybe they couldn't do it before because of the incline being old and unused for a long time plus it being an incline but with the subway tracks toward the Ryan being in a bit better condition this gave them a way to address that.

[chicagomotorman]

They'll proabably turn those Roosevelt trains at 63rd middle.

[Busjack]

They'll proabably turn those Roosevelt trains at 63rd middle.

Not sure what you mean here. If on the Dan Ryan, it will be closed about 5 miles north of there. The reversal will have to be on the incline, the L, or whatever remains in service of the tunnel around Clark and 14th.

Also, the first train arrives at Roosevelt at 7:54 at leaves back northbound at 8:09. Not much time for a side excursion.

[BusHunter]

Peeped that yesterday and it may be from the north-south ridership imbalance and unneeded trains going south that others mentioned... Would they possibly use the tracks going the normal route of the subway to store these trains and turn them back at the 15th interlocking? Maybe they couldn't do it before because of the incline being old and unused for a long time plus it being an incline but with the subway tracks toward the Ryan being in a bit better condition this gave them a way to address that.

Yeah, that's what it sounds like they're doing. The switching problem is addressed due to the interlocking, something the incline does not have. Also the trains don't have to wait repeated times to join traffic. But they are still going to have issues with the signs. They are going to always have to make sure those are ran with DC equipment. I'm kind of surprised they just don't have the extra #2400's on the orange line pull out and join the Red line at Roosevelt and do a few trips and return to Midway yard. This way they could always insure those are ran with old equipment.

[chicagomotorman]

I'm being sarcastic. lol

[Busjack]

I'm being sarcastic. lol

Given someone else here with a similar screen name it is hard to tell.

Thanks.

[sw4400]

Select trains in the morning weekday rush. (check the 7:12 departure out of Howard)

That's weird......good find.

This is after the fact since the Wells St. Bridge Project is done, but my 2 cents' worth...

-They were probably have select Red Line trains run to Roosevelt only probably to try to prevent Subway congestion. Why not just have one Brown Line train run to Roosevelt, one go as far as Belmont, and one go to the Mart and just add an extra Red Line train or two to run to Roosevelt as BusHunter said did happen? I know it's useless to ponder it now, but this might've avoided the Major Delays that occurred in the Subway due to congestion.

-This is actually good practice for the CTA on Brown Line Subway Reroutes, which sometimes may happen if there is an interruption downtown in the Loop requiring a reroute of Brown Line service.

[Sam92]

Yeah, that's what it sounds like they're doing. The switching problem is addTtressed due to the interlocking, something the incline does not have. Also the trains don't have to wait repeated times to join traffic. But they are still going to have issues with the signs. They are going to always have to make sure those are ran with DC equipment. I'm kind of surprised they just don't have the extra #2400's on the orange line pull out and join the Red line at Roosevelt and do a few trips and return to Midway yard. This way they could always insure those are ran with old equipment.

If 5000's are programmed with info for existing roll signs then they should have a Roosevelt sign and shouldn't be a problem

[BusHunter]

If 5000's are programmed with info for existing roll signs then they should have a Roosevelt sign and shouldn't be a problem

Chicagopcclcars said they don't have a Roosevelt sign.

[chicagopcclcar]

Chicagopcclcars said they don't have a Roosevelt sign.

Chicagopcclcars will get a definite answer tomorrow about signs and some operational procedures, especially regarding the turnbacks.

[chicagomotorman]

Why isn't there direct bus service from 63rd/Dan Ryan to Garfield/green? Or didn't I look carefully enough?

[Busjack]

Why isn't there direct bus service from 63rd/Dan Ryan to Garfield/green? Or didn't I look carefully enough?

That came up before. If you are on 63rd, you can catch an L downtown at Ashland, Halsted, Cottage Grove or King Dr. Basically, 63-Wentworth is useless as a transfer point from the 63 bus going downtown. However, it is a transfer point if you are heading southbound from there.

[chicagomotorman]

cta should have reopenned Harvard.