Railguy Posted October 8, 2023 Report Share Posted October 8, 2023 Lionel model trains makes kids starter train sets which run om batteries maybe they can start there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted October 8, 2023 Report Share Posted October 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Railguy said: Lionel model trains makes kids starter train sets which run om batteries maybe they can start there Reminds me of when someone painted "LIONEL" on a railroad overpass in Irondequoit, NY. I'm not sure AA batteries can be scaled up. ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted October 9, 2023 Report Share Posted October 9, 2023 9 hours ago, Busjack said: Which means? Are you a bot? Sometime in the 21st century Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted October 9, 2023 Report Share Posted October 9, 2023 11 hours ago, Nitro said: Sometime in the 21st century I gave you an answer to that, too, I said: "Or look up battery locos and trainsets." If you are so dense that you are asking if the freight railroads (which own the tracks other than the RID (which indications are is getting the trainsets) and Milw) are going to put up catenary, as people I know from NY put it, "fuggedabout it." BTW, you didn't answer if you are a bot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam92 Posted October 9, 2023 Report Share Posted October 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Busjack said: I gave you an answer to that, too, I said: "Or look up battery locos and trainsets." If you are so dense that you are asking if the freight railroads (which own the tracks other than the RID (which indications are is getting the trainsets) and Milw) are going to put up catenary, as people I know from NY put it, "fuggedabout it." BTW, you didn't answer if you are a bot. 12 hours ago, Nitro said: Sometime in the 21st century I'm convinced he's trolling for attention at this point. All in favor of acting like this guy doesn't exist and hoping he moves around? ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artthouwill Posted October 9, 2023 Report Share Posted October 9, 2023 2 hours ago, Sam92 said: I'm convinced he's trolling for attention at this point. All in favor of acting like this guy doesn't exist and hoping he moves around? ? Agreed, especially when he was silent concerning an actual proposal in New York that I said maybe he could help solve , or at least answer questions about. And he's supposedly from New York. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted October 10, 2023 Report Share Posted October 10, 2023 8 hours ago, artthouwill said: Agreed, especially when he was silent concerning an actual proposal in New York that I said maybe he could help solve , or at least answer questions about. And he's supposedly from New York. 10 hours ago, Sam92 said: I'm convinced he's trolling for attention at this point. All in favor of acting like this guy doesn't exist and hoping he moves around? ? I was saying that to annoy you guys and there's some truth behind it. After all the federal government are mandating that the railroads to use cleaner technologies and one of the ways for that to happen is to push for electrification. Then you have the UN Agenda 2030. Don't believe me look it up. There's an article that opposes electrification from the Association of American Railroads which you can all read right now. https://www.aar.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/AAR-Electrification-Fact-Sheet.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Railguy Posted October 10, 2023 Report Share Posted October 10, 2023 All this sounds great yet private sector is in bed with those in power and will get out of environmental mandates. Yeah it will take lots of $$ in political contributions yet the RR will get out of mandates by throwing money at the issue. Esp true if R's hold house and take WH and senate. Game's over. And they will follow a UN agenda? Really? Lets just get out of the UN problem solved . Sad truth yet this talk fuels some to do everything in their power to destroy this world. I agree we need to change this course yet the battle is huge to fight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted October 10, 2023 Report Share Posted October 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Nitro said: I was saying that to annoy you guys ...and you see what the result is. If you wanted a serious discussion, you could have posted something intelligent and interacted with the membership. But since you haven't for the past 3 weeks, I'm gonna do what I'm gonna do. 2 hours ago, Nitro said: There's an article that opposes electrification from the Association of American Railroads which you can all read right now. https://www.aar.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/AAR-Electrification-Fact-Sheet.pdf I said before "if you expect the freight railroads over Metra runs to install catenary..." You kept trolling us about that when you had access to an article saying "Electrification of the freight rail network would not be cost effective. Electrification of our nation’s freight rail network would require building and maintaining a high-voltage catenary system that spans close to 140,000 miles and is rugged and reliable enough for rail operations." Later on: "However, research is now ongoing on a variety of alternatives to traditional diesel fuel — such as biofuels, hydrogen, and zero-emission battery cells — that could further lower railroads’ carbon footprint. For example, battery-electric locomotives are now an area of active research. BNSF Railway is partnering with Wabtec...Progress Rail and the Pacific Harbor Line are also planning a demonstration project operating Progress Rail’s new EMD Joule battery electric “switcher” locomotive" I said what Metra planned, and so the assumption underlying your question "when is Metra beginning electrification" was FALSE and my answer about battery power was responsive and correct. Apparently, Metra is cooperating with the Progress Rail effort and said it was buying a battery switcher. When you ask something as off base as "Could the NICTD convert their voltage to 12-12.5 Kv like the New Haven Line or the Northeast Corridor?" for HSR, and then this, you just give a certain impression. And, apparently that was your intent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted October 10, 2023 Report Share Posted October 10, 2023 For anyone who reads such things, here is the literature on the EMD Joule. I think those of us who actually follow Chicago Transit Forum are already aware of this story that Metra has a contract with Progress Rail to repower up to 6 locomotive chassis to test the EMD Joule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdwardL803 Posted December 13, 2023 Report Share Posted December 13, 2023 This comment is regarding the former Skokie and Weber subdivisions on the C&NW railroad. https://www.chicagorailfan.com/abancnws.html https://www.chicagorailfan.com/mscnwy.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Pacific_Northwest_Line#Stations If the rails weren't abandoned and passenger service didn't cease in 1958, how do you think they would've fit in the overall transit network of the Chicagoland area. Do you think they would've been absorbed by Metra? If so, how do you think the subdivisions would've been operated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artthouwill Posted December 13, 2023 Report Share Posted December 13, 2023 10 minutes ago, EdwardL803 said: This comment is regarding the former Skokie and Weber subdivisions on the C&NW railroad. https://www.chicagorailfan.com/abancnws.html https://www.chicagorailfan.com/mscnwy.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Pacific_Northwest_Line#Stations If the rails weren't abandoned and passenger service didn't cease in 1958, how do you think they would've fit in the overall transit network of the Chicagoland area. Do you think they would've been absorbed by Metra? If so, how do you think the subdivisions would've been operated? First let me say there are others in this forum like @Busjack, @strictureswho can offer better insight than m. I believe this has somewhat been covered before. My guess is that CNW would have abandoned it anyway and we still would have what we have today. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted December 13, 2023 Report Share Posted December 13, 2023 23 minutes ago, EdwardL803 said: This comment is regarding the former Skokie and Weber subdivisions on the C&NW railroad. https://www.chicagorailfan.com/abancnws.html https://www.chicagorailfan.com/mscnwy.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Pacific_Northwest_Line#Stations If the rails weren't abandoned and passenger service didn't cease in 1958, how do you think they would've fit in the overall transit network of the Chicagoland area. Do you think they would've been absorbed by Metra? If so, how do you think the subdivisions would've been operated? I discussed this with @strictures, I don't think they would have survived in any event. Only thing that seems to have any potential is from Mayfair to around the Yellow Line at Oakton station as a CTA service connecting to Jeff Park. What's left of the Mayfair ROW and abutments is considered a blight on Evanston's 5th Ward, which pretty much was Evanston's ghetto. Rest of it is occupied by Home Depot and Main Marketplace. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdwardL803 Posted December 13, 2023 Report Share Posted December 13, 2023 1 hour ago, artthouwill said: First let me say there are others in this forum like @Busjack, @strictureswho can offer better insight than m. I believe this has somewhat been covered before. My guess is that CNW would have abandoned it anyway and we still would have what we have today. 1 hour ago, Busjack said: I discussed this with @strictures, I don't think they would have survived in any event. Only thing that seems to have any potential is from Mayfair to around the Yellow Line at Oakton station as a CTA service connecting to Jeff Park. What's left of the Mayfair ROW and abutments is considered a blight on Evanston's 5th Ward, which pretty much was Evanston's ghetto. Rest of it is occupied by Home Depot and Main Marketplace. Thanks @artthouwill and @Busjack for the responses. Does a link exist for the discussion you had with @strictures on the topic? I'd love to see what else what else was said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted December 13, 2023 Report Share Posted December 13, 2023 1 hour ago, EdwardL803 said: Thanks @artthouwill and @Busjack for the responses. Does a link exist for the discussion you had with @strictures on the topic? I'd love to see what else what else was said. It starts about here, although you could have searched for Mayfair. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrissz2613 Posted December 14, 2023 Report Share Posted December 14, 2023 Were there ever plans to elevate the Elgin subdivision of the CMStP&P railroad (today's MD-W Line) past Austin Avenue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urbanguy0508 Posted January 10 Report Share Posted January 10 Here's a web map of Metra stations grouped by their new fare zones. https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1sTXc8egNv-eEWnl6GOGK1aL2ixHtnpA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cplanner13 Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 For those portions of Metra's lines that are elevated in Chicago, what are the railroad embankments made out of? Is it landfill? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 39 minutes ago, cplanner13 said: For those portions of Metra's lines that are elevated in Chicago, what are the railroad embankments made out of? Is it landfill? What do you mean by landfill? If you mean garbage, it would not have lasted for like 125 years. I don't know how you expect anyone here to know, but you could (1) go out to the RPM and analyze what they are excavating away from under the new structure or (2) look up construction notes on the new elevated sections of the NICTD West Lake Corridor in downtown Hammond. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cplanner13 Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 21 minutes ago, Busjack said: What do you mean by landfill? If you mean garbage, it would not have lasted for like 125 years. I mean excavated land. Sort of like how some of the city's lakefront was created. http://www.encyclopedia.chicagohistory.org/pages/3713.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 10 minutes ago, cplanner13 said: I mean excavated land. Sort of like how some of the city's lakefront was created. http://www.encyclopedia.chicagohistory.org/pages/3713.html As what you cited said, Grant Park was filled with debris from the Chicago Fire. The South Works was slag. So, it's neither of those. So I guess it is what you thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdwardL803 Posted April 1 Report Share Posted April 1 I have an infrastructural transit finance question. It's specifically regarding the at-grade portions of Metra's UP-NW Line in Chicago (between Foster and Ozanam Avenues). https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=1quZeHR_46dbs_6QG-YHrLQlNIofj5Zo&usp=sharing Chicago's City Council passed legislation in 1929 requiring the railroad (which was then C&NW) to elevate the tracks by 1933. The deadline was then extended to 1939. These efforts were never completed. Here are a few links on the topic. https://archive.org/details/proceedingsofcit107chic/page/860/mode/2up https://imgur.com/a/PisHxng https://www.chicagorailfan.com/elevcnww.html https://www.chicagorailfan.com/elevacxl.html What would it cost to undertake such a project today? How much money would need to be spent to elevate this portion of the UP-NW Line within Chicago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcmetro Posted April 1 Report Share Posted April 1 1 hour ago, EdwardL803 said: I have an infrastructural transit finance question. It's specifically regarding the at-grade portions of Metra's UP-NW Line in Chicago (between Foster and Ozanam Avenues). https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=1quZeHR_46dbs_6QG-YHrLQlNIofj5Zo&usp=sharing Chicago's City Council passed legislation in 1929 requiring the railroad (which was then C&NW) to elevate the tracks by 1933. The deadline was then extended to 1939. These efforts were never completed. Here are a few links on the topic. https://archive.org/details/proceedingsofcit107chic/page/860/mode/2up https://imgur.com/a/PisHxng https://www.chicagorailfan.com/elevcnww.html https://www.chicagorailfan.com/elevacxl.html What would it cost to undertake such a project today? How much money would need to be spent to elevate this portion of the UP-NW Line within Chicago? I wouldn't be surprised to see a cost of $1 billion or more. This requires rebuild of three stations and any project would likely extend further into the suburbs. Keep in mind that modern transit project budgets have significant consulting and engineering costs beyond the actual construction value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted April 1 Report Share Posted April 1 1 hour ago, Tcmetro said: I wouldn't be surprised to see a cost of $1 billion or more. This requires rebuild of three stations and any project would likely extend further into the suburbs. Keep in mind that modern transit project budgets have significant consulting and engineering costs beyond the actual construction value. Maybe by comparison, Metra says rebuilding the UPN from Fullerton to Addison would be about $337 M. That's about 1-1/2 miles. The bridges have to be replaced, but the embankment is already there. The necessary studies are described. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted April 1 Report Share Posted April 1 Also consider another method of grade separation is depressing cross-roads, as was done at Lake-Cook (both at Skokie Blvd. and at the Milw-N. Still need room fo shooflies and need pump stations. One project to build a US 14 underpass at the CN is estimated at $94 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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