garmon757 Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 You may be right #6641 is on the #349.#6242 and #6244 (from West) are on #352, #6245 on #353, #6243 on 356, #6642 was on #366 but it's N.I.S. I don't recall #6622 and #6649 being at South from River but they're out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garmon757 Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 I'll have to retract my prior comment. 6664 on 358, 6649 in the garage from 358, 6642 on 366, 6622 on 367. 6676 on 372.Still doesn't make sense, though.BTW, it looks like any white 6200s W had are also at S.Dang! I have the same info on my post except for #6664 and #6676. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 ... I don't recall #6622 and #6649 being at South from River but they're out there. As I noted above, they were last at NS (frequently on 423). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garmon757 Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 As I noted above, they were last at NS (frequently on 423).Ditto. So it went from River to North Shore to now South? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 Ditto. So it went from River to North Shore to now South?Probably other locations, too. 6622 was an Aurora bus, then on the Lisle contract, then moved when Lisle got the 2700s. I'm not sure about the journeys 6649 took. 6664 had the interim stint at Academy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garmon757 Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 Probably other locations, too. 6622 was an Aurora bus, then on the Lisle contract, then moved when Lisle got the 2700s. I'm not sure about the journeys 6649 took. 6664 had the interim stint at Academy.Ok, I remembered 6622 being on Lisle routes. Interesting about 6664 being at Academy. What's getting me is #6221 being at South while buses #6220-30 (probably higher than that) are at North. How in the world did that bus squeezed it's way to South? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 Ok, I remembered 6622 being on Lisle routes. Interesting about 6664 being at Academy. What's getting me is #6221 being at South while buses #6220-30 (probably higher than that) are at North. How in the world did that bus squeezed it's way to South?Academy got a bunch of NABIs (both sizes) when the Orion Is started biting the dust. Don't bet on it, but I seem to remember that buses such as 6221 went to S to make up shorts before the whole bunch of W buses were moved when W got the Axess buses (some of those also to NS), to retire the remaining Orion Is and 2401 NABIs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garmon757 Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 Academy got a bunch of NABIs (both sizes) when the Orion Is started biting the dust. Don't bet on it, but I seem to remember that buses such as 6221 went to S to make up shorts before the whole bunch of W buses were moved when W got the Axess buses (some of those also to NS), to retire the remaining Orion Is and 2401 NABIs.Gotcha. The question is, are we going to have more Axess buses once NABI's and the reminding Orion's are retired or Pace is start bidding on a new manufacturer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 Gotcha. The question is, are we going to have more Axess buses once NABI's and the reminding Orion's are retired or Pace is start bidding on a new manufacturer?There are still two contracts to ElDorado out there: for up to 416 diesel buses, and for at least 91 and up to 250 CNG buses. Both are good for 5 years after award, so the only impending deadline would be that options under the diesel contract would have to be exercised by some time near the end of 2016, which, of course would be for late 2017 delivery. CNG options could be exercised into 2019. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garmon757 Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 There are still two contracts to ElDorado out there: for up to 416 diesel buses, and for at least 91 and up to 250 CNG buses. Both are good for 5 years after award, so the only impending deadline would be that options under the diesel contract would have to be exercised by some time near the end of 2016, which, of course would be for late 2017 delivery. CNG options could be exercised into 2019.Alright then. For now, we'll have to play the waiting game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 Ok I updated the pace roster. The #6240's Garmon spoke of have been at south, that's not a recent move. As far as the #6600's if I didn't know better I would say they might be interested in retiring those Nabi's first, they are 35 footers and what better place to send them then south as the CNG's are coming their way. They might be after the #6600's at River next. As I was spying in on the I-90 road construction project out NW, I was shocked to see the #600 now has a full load of people and from what I've seen they just do service from NW, so they get the bigger buses.On the bus order front, Pace most likely can't get more than 100-150 buses a year, so they probably won't really get into the NAbi's until they receive the 91 CNG's. But they still have a few west Orions to deal with and SW could use some buses, probably NABI's or new Axess' once they come to the conclusion of the NW delivery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rotjohns Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 Ok I updated the pace roster. The #6240's Garmon spoke of have been at south, that's not a recent move. As far as the #6600's if I didn't know better I would say they might be interested in retiring those Nabi's first, they are 35 footers and what better place to send them then south as the CNG's are coming their way. They might be after the #6600's at River next. As I was spying in on the I-90 road construction project out NW, I was shocked to see the #600 now has a full load of people and from what I've seen they just do service from NW, so they get the bigger buses.On the bus order front, Pace most likely can't get more than 100-150 buses a year, so they probably won't really get into the NAbi's until they receive the 91 CNG's. But they still have a few west Orions to deal with and SW could use some buses, probably NABI's or new Axess' once they come to the conclusion of the NW delivery.Considering Pace has spent the money to wrap the 6600s in blue, I wouldn't be shocked if they stuck around until 2017. But they are 12 years old now (man time flies) and have been bounced around so many times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 Ok I updated the pace roster. The #6240's Garmon spoke of have been at south, that's not a recent move. As far as the #6600's if I didn't know better I would say they might be interested in retiring those Nabi's first, they are 35 footers and what better place to send them then south as the CNG's are coming their way. They might be after the #6600's at River next...There must have been something that impelled the move out of NS, but then you get the problem that most of N is also 6600s. If anything has tough mileage on it, it would be the NABIs that spent their whole lives at S (6162-6217 and 6653-60). It is also somewhat interesting that the 6600s running at S this morning were mostly the NS ones and not the ones previously at S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 There must have been something that impelled the move out of NS, but then you get the problem that most of N is also 6600s. If anything has tough mileage on it, it would be the NABIs that spent their whole lives at S (6162-6217 and 6653-60). It is also somewhat interesting that the 6600s running at S this morning were mostly the NS ones and not the ones previously at S.Probably cause like you say they are better. They probably won't touch the north #6600's for awhile. If they could squeeze out up to #6500 this year that would probably take care of NW and West's Orions, they would then be about 40 Sw buses away from total Orion retirement.Now what happens when they get to Axess bus #6601? They surely can't have #6601 NABi on the streets!! It would be sneaky however to remove the first 6 from the nabi's and just call them the #600's. Unless the plan is not to order buses that high. You have to figure 91 #11000 CNG's are coming. If that figures into the 416, then they would be talking 326 #6330's but still that gets them to #6660, so Houston they might have a problem!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 ....Now what happens when they get to Axess bus #6601? ...Easy answer to that one (suggested by the paratransits and the pilot CNG): At some point we get 16300 or 16600. I noted when 6400 showed up that I was surprised that it wasn't 15300. Not sure why Pace currently is using inconsistent numbering systems.Otherwise, you might be jumping it a bit on retirements, but I agree that we don't know the extent of this order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 ... As far as the #6600's if I didn't know better I would say they might be interested in retiring those Nabi's first, they are 35 footers and what better place to send them then south as the CNG's are coming their way....Given that only 6677 was on the scrap sale list, but the 2016 budget implies 7 are gone, could the other 6 be of South's original allocation (6653-6660) and thus dead as I suspected with respect to a couple I saw a couple of years ago? Anyone seen these in service lately? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garmon757 Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 What the hell, #6147 is on #379! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 What the hell, #6147 is on #379!Previously noted, starting here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garmon757 Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 Just spotted #6662 on #310. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busfan2847 Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 3 hours ago, garmon757 said: Just spotted #6662 on #310. I have that at West form April this year along with 6660 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garmon757 Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 47 minutes ago, busfan2847 said: I have that at West form April this year along with 6660 I saw #6660 on the bus tracker. Thanks for the heads up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 8 minutes ago, garmon757 said: I saw #6660 on the bus tracker. Thanks for the heads up. In this case, must have been a transfer from S. Again the question is what point there was to send 6600s from NS to S, if S is ending buses to W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 32 minutes ago, Busjack said: In this case, must have been a transfer from S. Again the question is what point there was to send 6600s from NS to S, if S is ending buses to W. This might be to get rid of Orions at West, but what is replacing the south buses. CNG's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garmon757 Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 58 minutes ago, Busjack said: In this case, must have been a transfer from S. Again the question is what point there was to send 6600s from NS to S, if S is ending buses to W. 24 minutes ago, BusHunter said: This might be to get rid of Orions at West, but what is replacing the south buses. CNG's? I'm guessing West have better maintenance than any other division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 1 hour ago, BusHunter said: This might be to get rid of Orions at West, but what is replacing the south buses. CNG's? No, as mentioned before, 6600s from NS, after NS got the 6477s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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