busfan2847 Posted March 4, 2013 Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 6868 is on the 157 this morning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJL6000 Posted March 4, 2013 Report Share Posted March 4, 2013 That occurs when a garage is short on operable 40-footers because some of them are withheld for maintenance reasons or are used as shuttle buses for the Wells Street bridge reconstruction project. In this case, Kedzie Garage borrowed a 6800 from 77th Garage to cover the run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJL6000 Posted March 6, 2013 Report Share Posted March 6, 2013 This morning, for the same reason I stated in my previous post in this thread, 103rd Garage's bus 1486 in on the #35 31st/35th this morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJL6000 Posted March 16, 2013 Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 Another unusual sighting this early morning: Kedzie bus 1631 is on a 77th Garage route, #87 (87th Street). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimball401 Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 well thatd a easy explanation South Shops probably had a kedzie bus from a rehab or something . if not then I'm scared lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajuan Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 Usual bus borrowing that occurs here and there. Look for that to pick up as spring and summer roll around especially with the Dan Ryan project to start two months from today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJL6000 Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 Another sight of unusual workings: This Halloween morning, the #21 Cermak (which has been operated entirely with 40-footers until now) is operated entirely with artics (both 4000- and 4300-series). Normally, the Kedzie artics are used on the #125, #134 and #156 on weekdays and short-turn runs between downtown and Belmont on the #151 daily, and also see occasional use on the #7, #12 (which is entirely artic-operated on weekends), #35, #52, #82 and #126, plus some of the AM rush trips on the #66 and PM rush trips on the #62 and #143. But their sighting on the #21 is very unusual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajuan Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 Another sight of unusual workings: This Halloween morning, the #21 Cermak (which has been operated entirely with 40-footers until now) is operated entirely with artics (both 4000- and 4300-series). Normally, the Kedzie artics are used on the #125, #134 and #156 on weekdays and short-turn runs between downtown and Belmont on the #151 daily, and also see occasional use on the #7, #12 (which is entirely artic-operated on weekends), #35, #52, #82 and #126, plus some of the AM rush trips on the #66 and PM rush trips on the #62 and #143. But their sighting on the #21 is very unusual. Very unusual indeed. Especially to be entirely artic run. Perhaps something is occurring at the North Riverside Mall or somewhere along the route for Halloween that they're anticipating a larger ridership than usual on the route. It looks like a few less trips than usual from Kedzie on the 125, 134, 151 and 156 are artic operated in part because of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 Very unusual indeed. Especially to be entirely artic run. Perhaps something is occurring at the North Riverside Mall or somewhere along the route for Halloween that they're anticipating a larger ridership than usual on the route. It looks like a few less trips than usual from Kedzie on the 125, 134, 151 and 156 are artic operated in part because of it. I really doubt that. That would be the tail wagging the dog (some suburban location dictating equipment allocation on a cross-city route). Especially this early in the morning. There are traffic reports that 26th St. is messed up due to viaduct flooding, so maybe CTA thinks that passengers will take the alternate route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajuan Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 I really doubt that. That would be the tail wagging the dog (some suburban location dictating equipment allocation on a cross-city route). Especially this early in the morning. There are traffic reports that 26th St. is messed up due to viaduct flooding, so maybe CTA thinks that passengers will take the alternate route. Yes a cross-city route in a system that's not totally city-only (even if it's execs act like it's part of city government) and that still sees a large chunk of its ridership come from that suburban location not that I was saying the mall alone was a possibility since I did say "or somewhere along the route". At any rate casting that aside, the viaduct issue at the 26th/Blue Island/Western intersection alone wouldn't explain it completely explain it either as Bustracker didn't seem to show 26th Street buses too off schedule and you'd intuitively think they'd also place some artics on the 60 today to also cover heavier than usual crowds caused by any anticipated delays from flooding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 Last Ridership Report sure doesn't indicate boardings that would justify artics on 21 on any long term basis (8400 daily and going down). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajuan Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 Last Ridership Report sure doesn't indicate boardings that would justify artics on 21 on any long term basis (8400 daily and going down). We're only talking about today, not long term sir. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 We're only talking about today, not long term sir. We don't know what we are talking about until tomorrow. The only point I was making is that ridership doesn't justify it, unless it also justifies it on routes like 50 (similar ridership) or maybe 75% of day long routes before 21. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 Very unusual indeed. Especially to be entirely artic run. Perhaps something is occurring at the North Riverside Mall or somewhere along the route for Halloween that they're anticipating a larger ridership than usual on the route. It looks like a few less trips than usual from Kedzie on the 125, 134, 151 and 156 are artic operated in part because of it. Yeah the malls get extremely crowded with trick or treaters, with the gloomy rain they must be anticipating high ridership. Seems like more go to malls for this now than someone's home. Now if this happens tomorrow we have something to talk about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 Yeah the malls get extremely crowded with trick or treaters, with the gloomy rain they must be anticipating high ridership. Seems like more go to malls for this now than someone's home. Now if this happens tomorrow we have something to talk about. Was the mall even open at 6 a.m (time stamp of the first post)? Shouldn't trick or treaters be in school until 2:45 p.m.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 Was the mall even open at 6 a.m (time stamp of the first post)? Shouldn't trick or treaters be in school until 2:45 p.m.? Not the pre schoolers some of which don't attend school yet. The #60's are rerouting from the flood. If CTA was worried about high ridership from that, the first place everyone would flock to is the Pink line. That basically mimics the #60 and goes in the same general direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJL6000 Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 As it turned out, the #21 using artics was due to weather-related issues (as some of the other members have noted). Tomorrow, the #21 will very likely revert to using exclusively 40-footers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajuan Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 Was the mall even open at 6 a.m (time stamp of the first post)? Shouldn't trick or treaters be in school until 2:45 p.m.? Why so fixated on the mall when the mall wasn't the sole detail of discussion earlier? But it's moot anyway since we have the answer, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicagoNova Posted November 1, 2013 Report Share Posted November 1, 2013 Well now #21 Cermak has a 40 footer on right now (1615). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nflyer22 Posted November 1, 2013 Report Share Posted November 1, 2013 Not sure of how the weather is back in Chicago since I am out of town, but looks like the 21 is still fully artic this morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted November 1, 2013 Report Share Posted November 1, 2013 Why so fixated on the mall when the mall wasn't the sole detail of discussion earlier? But it's moot anyway since we have the answer, Ask the other people. Not sure of how the weather is back in Chicago since I am out of town, but looks like the 21 is still fully artic this morning. And so, jajuan, apparently we don't. The weather is cloudy with sprinkles. I don't know if there is any after effect after Tom Skilling said 3.77 inches of rain over the prior two days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted November 1, 2013 Report Share Posted November 1, 2013 So the viaduct is still flooded, a day later? This is starting to look like an experiment to me. I notice the #3 is about half artic today. It just looks like they are attempting to find new places to put artics. The #21 just appears lucky that it's assigned to an artic garage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted November 1, 2013 Report Share Posted November 1, 2013 So the viaduct is still flooded, a day later? This is starting to look like an experiment to me. I notice the #3 is about half artic today. It just looks like they are attempting to find new places to put artics. The #21 just appears lucky that it's assigned to an artic garage. Your final sentence may sum it up (especially since others pooh poohed the flooded viaduct theory). Although the Ridership Report certainly isn't decisive (not sure about peak loading points and the like), it sure indicates that routes such as 3, 4, 8, 9, 22, 49 and 66 would merit it, certainly over 21. Like you said, it looks like 3 is about half artics. There are a few on 4 and 8 (but this is lunch time). If that's the only rationale, it is an inefficient one. Either the garage assignments should be changed that K gets 8 and 66, or the buses should be reallocated, to possibly even more at 77. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajuan Posted November 1, 2013 Report Share Posted November 1, 2013 If it's an experiment, I'd have to agree with Busjack on the merits of 21 being all artic. I can see possibly having more artics on the route mixed with 40 footers for rush hour, but with memories of the 40 footers on that route not even getting to half empty for most of the eastern half during the midday I can't see this route being all artic all day in the day time hours especially when none are used on the 60 which is a much busier route. And speaking of the busier routes, I'm kind of surprised that there were no reports of NP going back to putting a few extra artics on its share of the #49 runs on weekdays targeted toward PM rush trips. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam92 Posted November 1, 2013 Report Share Posted November 1, 2013 If that's the only rationale, it is an inefficient one. Either the garage assignments should be changed that K gets 8 and 66, or the buses should be reallocated, to possibly even more at 77. Those artics would definately serve a better purpose being used on the 87 at 77th garage than running empty on Cermak. I'm a bit surprised that the 2 got them before 87th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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