Service beyond SP2025 (was: March 25 System Pick)

[sht6131]

Excluding the 53/53A discussion, is the 52/82 discussion speculation on our part or rumor?

[YoungBusLover]

6 minutes ago, sht6131 said:

Excluding the 53/53A discussion, is the 52/82 discussion speculation on our part or rumor?

This is just the tip of the iceberg.

[artthouwill]

I like the 93 extension  

 

I like the 54B to 54/Cermak idea although I think ultimately the 54 gets extended to Midway Orange Line and the 54B gets eliminated  

It makes sense for North Park to do trips on the 9.  The question is whether the X9 will also receive some North Park trips?

I'm not sure what's going to be gained by extending the 75 to 79th/Western other than ferrying drivers to the 79th/ Western terminal.  The 94 can do the same thing to 69th and Western. 

The one extension we've been talking about hasn't surface yet ( the 52) .

As far as moving a route out of North Park,  I think the obvious choice is the 50 moving to K. 

 

[YoungBusLover]

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The one extension we've been talking about hasn't surface yet ( the 52) .

Yeah the 52 was rumored to be getting extended but that yet to be confirmed by CTA/Local 241. The 75 getting extended to 79th/Western doesn't make much sense with the terminal being that small with 4 other routes counting the Weekday X49s that sit there with the 349. If the 50 does go to K what does NP gain in return other the 151? I'm surprised that FG hasn't gotten Fullerton back after all these years.

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I like the 54B to 54/Cermak idea although I think ultimately the 54 gets extended to Midway Orange Line and the 54B gets eliminated  

I hope the return of the X54 will come in the near future at the very least CTA is dropping the ball with the return of Express service on local streets. The return of X3 is long overdue along with the X80.

[renardo870]

17 hours ago, YoungBusLover said:

This is just the tip of the iceberg.

 

 

N4 Owl 🦉 going to State/95th or 95 Red Line Terminal is long overdue. 

N66 Owl 🦉 going to Chicago/Austin long overdue as well. 

Now, if they can restore N20 Owl🦉 to Harlem/Lake and N87 Owl 🦉 to 91st/Commercial in the future that would be great. 

54 to Midway sounds pretty good but what is the ridership between Midway and Ford City like from the 54B? I'm aware that Pace ( 379, 383, 384 & 385) runs limited stops between Midway and 79th but would those routes become local in that area or would they extend 67th, 79th or even 87th to Midway? I'm sure those passengers would miss that one seat ride going to Cermak.

54B going to 54th/Cermak makes sense. Now 54B is already out of Chicago Garage. Did they mean transfer from Chicago to 74th? 

93 Sunday service would be great for Evanston and extending it to Logan Square Blue would be definitely have decent ridership. 

Later service for 18, 73, 147 and 157 would be great.

Edited Sunday at 04:56 PM by renardo870

[renardo870]

1 hour ago, YoungBusLover said:

Yeah the 52 was rumored to be getting extended but that yet to be confirmed by CTA/Local 241. The 75 getting extended to 79th/Western doesn't make much sense with the terminal being that small with 4 other routes counting the Weekday X49s that sit there with the 349. If the 50 does go to K what does NP gain in return other the 151? I'm surprised that FG hasn't gotten Fullerton back after all these years.

I hope the return of the X54 will come in the near future at the very least CTA is dropping the ball with the return of Express service on local streets. The return of X3 is long overdue along with the X80.

The X3, X54 and X80 should definitely return to service. Those routes had decent ridership. I wonder if they would have the X54 and X80 run all day or keep it AM and PM Rush like the current X4, X9 and X49? 

[TaylorTank1229]

3 hours ago, YoungBusLover said:

This is just the tip of the iceberg.

The 93 service change caught me off guard, but I would definitely say adding Sunday service is definitely something that been recommended for a while. Especially those that live alongside California Ave on the north side for 7-day service on the route. The extension to Logan Square is definitely what surprised me. I was also gonna say it was surprising it doesn’t just continue down Kedzie south of Montrose to the Blue Line but then I remembered this’ll give a new connection between routes 93 & 94 for people need to travel northbound or southbound along California.

57 extending north of Grand to Jefferson Park Blue Line could prove beneficial. Figured if they did make transit service available along Laramie, it maybe on a separate new route, like a 57A. 
 

54 going to Midway could be helpful, since 54’s operating frequency is quite better than the 54B. Plus with the recent increase in service hours for Pace 383, now there’s later bus service along Cicero south of Midway Airport to serve as a replacement for 54B’s discontinuation.

 

Also… ABOUT TIME THE 147 GETS LATER HOURS AGAIN!!! Now hopefully by the time I get off the late evening work shifts, I don’t have to wait & take the Red Line back home up north when the 147 would be a quicker trip and the bus stop being just 2 blocks away from my residence 😭🙏

[Busjack]

3 hours ago, artthouwill said:

As far as moving a route out of North Park,  I think the obvious choice is the 50 moving to K. 

Maybe, but I think 93 is more likely; Logan Square is closer to K. Which raises 2 things:

• The proposal described above is not straight down Kedzie, but is more a Blago neighborhood route. As I indicated above, there's not a direct path between Lawrence and Sunnyside across the river, but maybe it would be like 94, i.e. on Kedzie where it can't be on California.
• Would Sunday service also be in Evanston, which doesn't have any Sunday bus service now? Or would it use the Howard/McCormick terminal (like it used to),

[Busjack]

1 hour ago, renardo870 said:

54 to Midway sounds pretty good but what is the ridership between Midway and Ford City like from the 54B?

There used to be the X54 between Jefferson Park and Midway, touted as a way to connect the two airports. I suppose it would work again.

On Pace picking it up south of Midway, the last time it was proposed that Pace pick up CTA discontinued routes (i.e. 17, 56A, 90N), Pace disclosed that it was cooperating with CTA, so this proposal makes sense (especially since there used to be signs at Midway to take any of 379-385 to Ford City). There can't be that many additional stops given the long railroad overpass.

I also suppose that with 54A discontinued, 53 and Pace will be able to use the Ford City bus center, which should alleviate @andrethebusman's concern about the 53 south terminal.

[artthouwill]

10 hours ago, Busjack said:

Maybe, but I think 93 is more likely; Logan Square is closer to K. Which raises 2 things:

• The proposal described above is not straight down Kedzie, but is more a Blago neighborhood route. As I indicated above, there's not a direct path between Lawrence and Sunnyside across the river, but maybe it would be like 94, i.e. on Kedzie where it can't be on California.
• Would Sunday service also be in Evanston, which doesn't have any Sunday bus service now? Or would it use the Howard/McCormick terminal (like it used to),

While 93 could be a route North Park gives up, Forest Glen would be the better choice in that scenario considering FG's ability to deadhead from the garage to both ends of the extended route.  Forest Glen already has Evanston routes so it would be better for them to serve the route than K.

[sht6131]

16 hours ago, YoungBusLover said:

This is just the tip of the iceberg.

This is interesting. Any chance of viewing the missing pages?

 

[Rail Introvert]

12 hours ago, Busjack said:

I also suppose that with 54A discontinued, 53 and Pace will be able to use the Ford City bus center, which should alleviate @andrethebusman's concern about the 53 south terminal.

The 54A still exists, but goes between Irving Park Blue Line station & Skokie Courthouse.

[TaylorTank1229]

18 minutes ago, Rail Introvert said:

The 54A still exists, but goes between Irving Park Blue Line station & Skokie Courthouse.

I think they meant to say the 54B.

[Busjack]

1 minute ago, Rail Introvert said:

The 54A still exists, but goes between Irving Park Blue Line station & Skokie Courthouse.

Meant 54B, but most reorganization plans (i.e North Shore  Coordination, ReVision) also axe CTA 54A. Anyway, eventually there will only be 54.

Back to 54B, it runs weekday rush about every 17 minutes. On the Pace side, 379 is somewhere around :16 and :46  383 is at :00 and :30., 384 is at :11. and 385 at about :50. so there's adequate coverage.

 

 

[Busjack]

14 hours ago, TaylorTank1229 said:

it maybe on a separate new route, like a 57A.

What would that accomplish?

[renardo870]

2 hours ago, Busjack said:

 

Back to 54B, it runs weekday rush about every 17 minutes. On the Pace side, 379 is somewhere around :16 and :46  383 is at :00 and :30., 384 is at :11. and 385 at about :50. so there's adequate coverage.

 

 

So would the Pace routes be willing to connect with the CTA routes at the Ford City Bus Terminal and become more of a local service between 76th/Cicero and Midway?

Edited Sunday at 08:05 PM by renardo870

[Sam92]

4 minutes ago, renardo870 said:

So would the Pace routes be willing to connect with the CTA routes at the Ford City Bus Terminal and become more of a local service between 76th/Cicero and Midway?

54 alone would be able to handle that stretch. Plus it's mostly rail yard so better to let them stay in traffic and get to midway quicker 

[renardo870]

17 hours ago, TaylorTank1229 said:

Also… ABOUT TIME THE 147 GETS LATER HOURS AGAIN!!! Now hopefully by the time I get off the late evening work shifts, I don’t have to wait & take the Red Line back home up north when the 147 would be a quicker trip and the bus stop being just 2 blocks away from my residence 😭🙏

If the 147 later service from the Loop would end around 12:30 am or 1:00am, then this would be beneficial for the riders between Foster and Howard

[renardo870]

5 minutes ago, Sam92 said:

54 alone would be able to handle that stretch. Plus it's mostly rail yard so better to let them stay in traffic and get to midway quicker 

If they extended the 54 to Ford City, then that would be ideal. But the proposal only extends the 54 from 24th Pl to Midway and the 54B is proposed to be eliminated all together. 

[Sam92]

Just now, renardo870 said:

If they extended the 54 to Ford City, then that would be ideal. But the proposal only extends the 54 from 24th Pl to Midway and the 54B is proposed to be eliminated all together. 

My bad lol. I don't see why they don't send 54 to Ford city since it doesn't go as far north as pulaski. I think pace might keep the status quo cause there's not much to gain 

[Sam92]

6 hours ago, artthouwill said:

While 93 could be a route North Park gives up, Forest Glen would be the better choice in that scenario considering FG's ability to deadhead from the garage to both ends of the extended route.  Forest Glen already has Evanston routes so it would be better for them to serve the route than K.

 

19 hours ago, artthouwill said:

I like the 93 extension  

 

I like the 54B to 54/Cermak idea although I think ultimately the 54 gets extended to Midway Orange Line and the 54B gets eliminated  

It makes sense for North Park to do trips on the 9.  The question is whether the X9 will also receive some North Park trips?

I'm not sure what's going to be gained by extending the 75 to 79th/Western other than ferrying drivers to the 79th/ Western terminal.  The 94 can do the same thing to 69th and Western. 

The one extension we've been talking about hasn't surface yet ( the 52) .

As far as moving a route out of North Park,  I think the obvious choice is the 50 moving to K. 

 

I think it's Damen to K cause K lost a lot of work moving the 151 and cutting LaSalle Express service. I figured P was gonna pick up SOMETHING to make up for it's loss of 135, 136 runs but thought it would be part of Pulaski if C didn't clear out something. I'm pretty sure 53 is gonna be shorting some buses at the orange line during the rush cause moving 54B to 74th doesn't even cover the extension WITH the hypothetical short turns. Maybe some buses will even just work the middle like on Halsted 

[$100KBusoperator]

21 minutes ago, Sam92 said:

My bad lol. I don't see why they don't send 54 to Ford city since it doesn't go as far north as pulaski. I think pace might keep the status quo cause there's not much to gain 

That's gonna suck for the riders going to work at solo cup if they only extend to the orange line ....

[Busjack]

1 hour ago, Sam92 said:

My bad lol. I don't see why they don't send 54 to Ford city since it doesn't go as far north as pulaski. I think pace might keep the status quo cause there's not much to gain 

54 is every 9 to 11 minutes; as noted above, 54B is about every 17 minutes. Putting exact frequencies aside, 54 is twice as much as what 54B needs. While there is apparently enough justification for 54 to Midway, there isn't any if (using Crowd Reduction rationale) for CTA to Ford City, if Pace is covering the same route every 12 to 15 minutes.

This isn't any different than 56A/270. 56A was down to once every 30 minutes and lost its coordination with 270, and was terminated. With Pulse, stops went from every 2 blocks to every 4 blocks except for the once an hour 270, but I haven't heard a hue and cry to, for instance, make 270 the originally proposed half-hour route.In any event, when the 90N and 56A changes were made, the Pace Board asked what changes were necessary, and the answer was only a 7:12 am trip from Golf Mill, so the current Pace pattern isn't written in stone. Therefore, here, CTA saves two buses (my estimate considering trip times between Midway and Ford City), improves service between Midway and 24th, and Pace gets a little more revenue.

1 hour ago, Sam92 said:

 

I think it's Damen to K cause K lost a lot of work moving the 151 and cutting LaSalle Express service. I figured P was gonna pick up SOMETHING to make up for it's loss of 135, 136 runs but thought it would be part of Pulaski if C didn't clear out something. I'm pretty sure 53 is gonna be shorting some buses at the orange line during the rush cause moving 54B to 74th doesn't even cover the extension WITH the hypothetical short turns. Maybe some buses will even just work the middle like on Halsted 

They said NP would pick up some of 9 Ashland, which became too unbalanced to the south when Limits closed.

[TaylorTank1229]

5 hours ago, Busjack said:

What would that accomplish?

It was just a random thought some years back when I was temporarily staying with a cousin that lived around Laramie & Grace, that CTA could use some service on the street past Grand. Extending the 57 north is obviously a simpler way to go about it than just making a new route altogether.

[Sam92]

2 hours ago, Busjack said:

54 is every 9 to 11 minutes; as noted above, 54B is about every 17 minutes. Putting exact frequencies aside, 54 is twice as much as what 54B needs. While there is apparently enough justification for 54 to Midway, there isn't any if (using Crowd Reduction rationale) for CTA to Ford City, if Pace is covering the same route every 12 to 15 minutes.

This isn't any different than 56A/270. 56A was down to once every 30 minutes and lost its coordination with 270, and was terminated. With Pulse, stops went from every 2 blocks to every 4 blocks except for the once an hour 270, but I haven't heard a hue and cry to, for instance, make 270 the originally proposed half-hour route.In any event, when the 90N and 56A changes were made, the Pace Board asked what changes were necessary, and the answer was only a 7:12 am trip from Golf Mill, so the current Pace pattern isn't written in stone. Therefore, here, CTA saves two buses (my estimate considering trip times between Midway and Ford City), improves service between Midway and 24th, and Pace gets a little more revenue.

They said NP would pick up some of 9 Ashland, which became too unbalanced to the south when Limits closed.

Yeah I don't see south Cicero hurting without 54B but @$100KBusoperatordid raise a good point about solo cup which I was gonna suggest extending 5-6 trips nonstop from midway to the factory since it's pretty far but I forgot about the 53 extension which could do that