Busjack Posted October 8, 2007 Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 According to the Sun-Times, "The driver of the bus lost control for an unknown reason, Taylor said. ... Why the bus driver lost control is under investigation ...." No mention of any connection with the neighborhood, which was Roosevelt and Kolmar. Again, someone making assumptions (and when you assume, you make an --- of u and me. And in this case it is a racist one on mikey's part.) While I haven't made an investigation of the accident, a better inference underlying my remark is that the drivers are not taking care of new equipment. With regard to 6832, the driver hit a bridge support head on. The report here on Pace 6173 was that the driver fell asleep on the expressway. 6700 was damaged when the bus hit a pole on Pulaski (talk about irony). While we don't know the cause here, a fair inference is that a nonnegligent driver (as they say in law books) would not have unexplainedly lost control of a bus and hit a fence, causing several severe injuries. There is no indication that the bus was hit by another vehicle (as on Chicago Ave.) or had to swerve to avoid a person (or to support mikey's theory, a member of a minority group) who unexpectedly ran into the street. For the sake of the passengers, I would hope that the drivers exercise due care (again a legal term). For the sake of the taxpayers (remember, CTA is not self-supporting), I would hope that the drivers would take better care of equipment that costs $370,000 per unit, and also try to minimize personal injury payments. This has nothing to do with causing intentional losses, but avoiding negligence. Of course, accidents happen where the bus driver is not negligent, but in this and the cases noted above, it appears that the injured persons would have a prima facie case of negligence, and the CTA would have to show that its employees had exercised the high level of care expected of a common carrier. If any of the rest of you went to law school and have a contrary view, let me know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainman8119 Posted October 8, 2007 Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 According to the Sun-Times, " While we don't know the cause here, a fair inference is that a nonnegligent driver (as they say in law books) would not have unexplainedly lost control of a bus and hit a fence, causing several severe injuries. There is no indication that the bus was hit by another vehicle (as on Chicago Ave.) or had to swerve to avoid a person (or to support mikey's theory, a member of a minority group) who unexpectedly ran into the street. We don't know the cause, probably never will, unless an insider lets us in on the scoop. However, an old Pace rule can be applied here when it came to accidents. The general rule of thumb when I was driving, is that if the front of the bus was hit, the accident instantly became preventable. The rationale was that if it is in front of you, your defensive driving training should have allowed you to react in a reasonable amount of time to prevent an accident. Whether you agree with it or not, that is how it was, so you tried like hell to avoid anything close. It created a philosophy I abide to today..."always anticipate, never assume". I take this with me even as a conductor today. I will anticipate somebody doing something stupid (whether it be someone I work with, for or around), and will do my best to avoid it, or be prepared to deal with it, or run from it. In this case, we don't know why an operator would run head on into a fence. It could have been a crazy pedestrian, the so called medical incident, or just plain neglegence. But my bet is that whatever it is, in my day, since the front of the bus was damaged, it would probably be graded as "preventable". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwantae Posted October 8, 2007 Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 Justifies my comment on keeping new buses out of the "ghetto" Maybe that would be a good reason why North Park isnt getting those lower 1200s back to 77th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted October 8, 2007 Report Share Posted October 8, 2007 Maybe that would be a good reason why North Park isnt getting those lower 1200s back to 77th. Well, another racist. The guy that excoriated us before may be coming back. I suggest that you stop moving the thread in this direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmadisonwi Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 Maybe that would be a good reason why North Park isnt getting those lower 1200s back to 77th. An even better reason (and the correct one) would be that North Park needs those buses for service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusExpert32 Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 An even better reason (and the correct one) would be that North Park needs those buses for service. True, they do need more buses for service. But I never would've thought that North Park was struggling to put enough service on their routes. Maybe that's why the #206 Evanston Circulator is run out of Forest Glen. But now North Park has about 20 extra buses than they had before March 2007. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buslover88 Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 To rmadisonwi and BusExpert32: with over 300 buses, why would North Park be struggling in the first place? I think 300 buses is enough anyway. To mikeymc77 and qwantae: I don't understand why you both are worried only about new buses when old buses have to go through high crime areas too (and no, high crime areas aren't only in African American communites). To Busjack: That's their own problem. If they want to be banned, then that's their problem. This forum is for bus and train talk, not who's a racist and who's not. Frankly, I am sick and tired of racism. If you want to be racist on the streets, fine with me, but please not on this board and why can't we all get along? Anyway, does anybody know the highest New Flyer number in service? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusExpert32 Posted October 9, 2007 Report Share Posted October 9, 2007 To rmadisonwi and BusExpert32: with over 300 buses, why would North Park be struggling in the first place? I think 300 buses is enough anyway. To mikeymc77 and qwantae: I don't understand why you both are worried only about new buses when old buses have to go through high crime areas too (and no, high crime areas aren't only in African American communites). To Busjack: That's their own problem. If they want to be banned, then that's their problem. This forum is for bus and train talk, not who's a racist and who's not. Frankly, I am sick and tired of racism. If you want to be racist on the streets, fine with me, but please not on this board and why can't we all get along? Anyway, does anybody know the highest New Flyer number in service? I would think that North Park was struggling to put a full load of service out there because they have a lot of rush hour express routes they have to cover and three downtown to far north side bus routes (22, 36, 151) that need a good supply of buses during rush hour to be acceptably in service. I've learned from experience, I had to wait 45 minutes for #205 bus last November but it still didn't come so my first trip on that route turned into a catastrophe. It turned out that there were bus shortages and that is why the #206 is run out of Forest Glen. This is what I have to say, but you can ask rmadisonwi for detailed info, you know he works for CTA. Hey about that, rmadisonwi, do you know the amount of 4400s at North Park, Kedzie, 74th, 77th, and 103rd as of today. I would really like to know since I'm a big 4400 fan. By the way, the highest New Flyer in serivce at North Park is probably #1489, #1490 at 103rd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busfan4022 Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 Speaking of the 1000s, I saw number 1000 yesterday on 49. 8D So does this technically mean that it made first service before 1002? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajuan Posted October 10, 2007 Report Share Posted October 10, 2007 To rmadisonwi and BusExpert32: with over 300 buses, why would North Park be struggling in the first place? I think 300 buses is enough anyway. To mikeymc77 and qwantae: I don't understand why you both are worried only about new buses when old buses have to go through high crime areas too (and no, high crime areas aren't only in African American communites). To Busjack: That's their own problem. If they want to be banned, then that's their problem. This forum is for bus and train talk, not who's a racist and who's not. Frankly, I am sick and tired of racism. If you want to be racist on the streets, fine with me, but please not on this board and why can't we all get along? Anyway, does anybody know the highest New Flyer number in service? Thanks for those words of wisdom. Frankly I'm getting tired of the whole rant about new buses going to 'high crime' areas or the 'ghetto' as if everyone is not entitled to equal quality service regardless of where they live in this city. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 According to the Sun-Times, "The driver of the bus lost control for an unknown reason, Taylor said. ... Why the bus driver lost control is under investigation ...."In light of the subsequent article that the driver was assaulted by a passenger, I withdraw my statement about driver negligence in this case. Of course, why it took the spokesperson so long to discover that fact is beyond me. Maybe there was a point to my minority member crack, but the assailant attacked a member of a minority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeymc77 Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 Can someone define "high-crime area"? Turns out that the driver was assaulted, though as Busjack noted why it took 10 days to find out is rather odd. Gee???? This seems to happen all over town. I THINK NOT!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainman8119 Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 I am sure there is a true definition of "high crime" in the annals of the Police Department. However, if you don't think these type of things happen in all parts of town, you are sadly mistaken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 19, 2007 Report Share Posted October 19, 2007 Can someone define "high-crime area"? Turns out that the driver was assaulted, though as Busjack noted why it took 10 days to find out is rather odd. Gee???? This seems to happen all over town. I THINK NOT!!! In the last couple of days there have been attacks on CTA operators. My truck co. was dispatched to the incident at Roosevelt and Kolmar, I wasant working, involving the crash of the bus into a steel fence. It was confirmed that the bus driver was attacked by a passenger resulting in the crash of the bus. And just yesterday our engine co. was dispatched to 18/Central Pk where another CTA driver was assaulted on the 82 route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 2, 2008 Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 Saw CTA NF #1502 today being moved around a Bus/Truck 33/Pulaski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwantae Posted June 21, 2008 Report Share Posted June 21, 2008 Before Noon, when I was at Melrose Park on Route 318 passing Maywood Park/ Winston Plaza going east to the city, I've spotted a 1000 New Flyer #1589, appears to be North Park bus with #136 Route destination showing. It was going westbound passed 1st Ave (Kiddieland). I wonder where in the heck is that bus going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 Im sure some new deliveries arriving today from Minn. 1860s, 1870s...... 1900s just around th corner! Anyone travelling the freeways today keep an eye out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVTArider Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 Im sure some new deliveries arriving today from Minn. 1860s, 1870s...... 1900s just around th corner! Anyone travelling the freeways today keep an eye out. Man, I wish I had time to run up to Crookston and St. Cloud so I could see if there were any 1000's and 4000's sitting waiting to be delivered. Of course it would be really cool to get into the NF plant and see one built. I don't know if they allow tours though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwantae Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 Im sure some new deliveries arriving today from Minn. 1860s, 1870s...... 1900s just around th corner! Anyone travelling the freeways today keep an eye out. Yesterday Saturday, I spotted a New Flyer on I-90/94 Kennedy Expressway this afternoon logo with SEPTA, so I guess Philly isn't done with their New Flyer Orders like us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetroShadow Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 I saw an upper 1800 or a 1900 down 90 while I was rushing to class saturday morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 Man, I wish I had time to run up to Crookston and St. Cloud so I could see if there were any 1000's and 4000's sitting waiting to be delivered. Of course it would be really cool to get into the NF plant and see one built. I don't know if they allow tours though... It would be worth finding out. If the plant did give tours I certainly would make an effort to take a trip there. Maybe one day a group of us could tour the site. It would be awesome to see these buses being built. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenstreet Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 New Flyer deliveries in the last week or so: 103rd has 1886, 1890, 1892, 1894, 1896 & 1898 North Park has 1887, 1889, 1891, 1893, 1895 & 1897 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cta 5555 Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 Last sunday i had 1355 and 1323 on Chicago av. Those two flyers were showing there age at only a year and a half old. 1355 was very slow on take off u can out run that bus with our 5000s anyday. 1323 was a very very very slow bus i think i colud of walk faster them that bus. I didnt get it over 25 mph on chicago av. That took about two blocks to get it to that speed. It rode bad to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 Last sunday i had 1355 and 1323 on Chicago av. Those two flyers were showing there age at only a year and a half old. 1355 was very slow on take off u can out run that bus with our 5000s anyday. 1323 was a very very very slow bus i think i colud of walk faster them that bus. I didnt get it over 25 mph on chicago av. That took about two blocks to get it to that speed. It rode bad to. I heard some of the 1000s are already showing wear such as premature rust forming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajuan Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 Last sunday i had 1355 and 1323 on Chicago av. Those two flyers were showing there age at only a year and a half old. 1355 was very slow on take off u can out run that bus with our 5000s anyday. 1323 was a very very very slow bus i think i colud of walk faster them that bus. I didnt get it over 25 mph on chicago av. That took about two blocks to get it to that speed. It rode bad to. Hopefully your maintenance guys will fix that soon. Those buses shouldn't be having that kind of issue so soon. Or send them to my neighborhood and let Kedzie handle it. Seemed to work with the NABIs with that switch earlier this year between Kedzie and NP. :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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