Busjack Posted June 10, 2011 Report Share Posted June 10, 2011 ... Maybe that could shake up the fleet totals enough to get the brown line some more #5000's. I wasn't talking about 5000s per se, but overall fleet increase. As the buses proved, after a bit, something doesn't directly replace something else. Apparently, though, from what you said, the Brown is taking from the Orange. I guess Ed Burke's constituents haven't found out, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.cta85 Posted June 15, 2011 Report Share Posted June 15, 2011 So does anybody know what's going to happen now that cars 5001 and 5002 are here and also what are the plans for the prototypes now?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
railfan4072 Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 So does anybody know what's going to happen now that cars 5001 and 5002 are here and also what are the plans for the prototypes now?? 5001-5002 and 5013-5014 are being (have been?) tested at Skokie and are expected to be sent to a line for operations and maintenance training purposes. The prototypes will be sent back to Plattsburg for retrofitting. They will probably start going back as additional cars arrive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chgofan78 Posted June 16, 2011 Report Share Posted June 16, 2011 So does anybody know what's going to happen now that cars 5001 and 5002 are here and also what are the plans for the prototypes now?? 5009-5010 are sitting in the yard at 54th/Cermak this morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busaddictdm Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 are some of ex 5000 series in the chicago police department? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted June 17, 2011 Report Share Posted June 17, 2011 are some of ex 5000 series in the chicago police department? What are you talking about? This 5000 series is L cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 Spotted #5022 coming towards Skokie Shops at Milwaukee and Oakton EB about 6:40 PM yesterday. It was being shipped by Watson Trucking. It had the wide load sticker on the front bumper of the truck along with the flagman car (or whatever you call it) trailing the truck. Funny seeing an "L" car in Niles. Would've made a nice picture if I would've had a camera. In other #5000 news, two days ago I couldn't help but notice two more single cars were sitting on the shop track at Skokie. They were yet to be put into a married pair. There was also about 6 to 8 cars two tracks over from that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.cta85 Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 Spotted #5022 coming towards Skokie Shops at Milwaukee and Oakton EB about 6:40 PM yesterday. It was being shipped by Watson Trucking. It had the wide load sticker on the front bumper of the truck along with the flagman car (or whatever you call it) trailing the truck. Funny seeing an "L" car in Niles. Would've made a nice picture if I would've had a camera. In other #5000 news, two days ago I couldn't help but notice two more single cars were sitting on the shop track at Skokie. They were yet to be put into a married pair. There was also about 6 to 8 cars two tracks over from that. 5022?? Wow that's great news I'm excited about the arrival of the new cars! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctrabs74 Posted June 30, 2011 Report Share Posted June 30, 2011 I will be heading to Chicago mid-August. Anyone have a guess as to how many 5000 series L cars will be in service by then? It'd kinda be a shame if I didn't get to ride these cars during by vacation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DevalDragon Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 The good news is the 5000s will be around on your next trip and for many years to come. I'd make it a point to ride the 2200s on the Blue Line - those will (likely) NOT be around on your next trip. I will be heading to Chicago mid-August. Anyone have a guess as to how many 5000 series L cars will be in service by then? It'd kinda be a shame if I didn't get to ride these cars during by vacation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 The good news is the 5000s will be around on your next trip and for many years to come. I'd make it a point to ride the 2200s on the Blue Line - those will (likely) NOT be around on your next trip. Hopefully they'll be in service soon. Seems like the testing phase has been really long this time. Now it just seems like it's a matter of cars waiting for mates to arrive. Then the training can begin. Hopefully in a few weeks they'll be in service. #5022 was likely just part of the set of 10 cars that are the prototypes pt 2. The two single cars I mentioned before looked like around #5015 or 16. I couldn't be sure. I have a feeling though the cars might not go in service until #5003 - #5012 get back from there upgrade. We'll have to wait and see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 ... #5022 was likely just part of the set of 10 cars that are the prototypes pt 2.... We'll have to wait and see. While we don't know, it seems curious with all the announcements that CTA was about to give the notice to proceed, it hasn't been announced that they have given it. Maybe that is evidence of what you say. Let's also hope that this bunch has the color LED signs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sw4400 Posted July 2, 2011 Report Share Posted July 2, 2011 While we don't know, it seems curious with all the announcements that CTA was about to give the notice to proceed, it hasn't been announced that they have given it. Maybe that is evidence of what you say. Let's also hope that this bunch has the color LED signs. As I said earlier, there were several cars already built at Plattsburgh. I remember running across the article while poking around somewhere(here, on chicago-l.org, tattler, etc..). I can't find the link now where this info was, but it said there were like 20-something or 30-something already built and awaiting word to transfer to CTA, with the remainder of the order yet to be built. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.cta85 Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 As I said earlier, there were several cars already built at Plattsburgh. I remember running across the article while poking around somewhere(here, on chicago-l.org, tattler, etc..). I can't find the link now where this info was, but it said there were like 20-something or 30-something already built and awaiting word to transfer to CTA, with the remainder of the order yet to be built. So I guess with the new batch of 5000's that are aleady here that should be a total of 22 cars then right? and another question I would like to know is with the new color coded LED signs the newer 5000's are coming equipped with, Do you all think they would be able to change Color according to which ever line they are on?? You would think they should be able to do that right? just wondering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sw4400 Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 So I guess with the new batch of 5000's that are aleady here that should be a total of 22 cars then right? I don't know how many of the 5000-Series Railcars are built/here. The number built currently should be between 20 and 30(5001-5020, min., but since 5022 was spotted by BusHunter, up to 5030 is possible) And another question I would like to know is with the new color coded LED signs the newer 5000's are coming equipped with, Do you all think they would be able to change Color according to which ever line they are on?? I haven't heard anything about colored LED's anymore than just a wish(from me definately, being colorblind). Can you imagine these 5000-Series Railcars at Belmont, Wellington, Diversey, Fullerton, Armitage, Sedgwick & Chicago would be like? If the Brown and Purple Lines had these 5000-Series Railcars(which will happen someday for sure), imagine the confusion... both head south with "LOOP" as their destination signage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted July 4, 2011 Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 I haven't heard anything about colored LED's anymore than just a wish... Rodriguez had said something about purple and brown LED signs not being available when the first cars were ordered, but being available since. Of course, he gone And, by then, the Purple Line might be in the State St. subway, or probably not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 I was reading an article on CBS news, where Claypool envisions retiring only 500 cars versus the 706 that are due to start arriving soon. This has got me wondering, where is CTA is going to store 206 more cars? Most yards are at capacity now. Pink line has space for about 70 cars. I wonder if there may be a merge in the works, unless they are counting on a 130th red line yard to pop up in 3 years (the end of #5000 delivery) which I would be very surprised if that would happen that soon. Any comments? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 My husband reports seeing a four car set of 5000s heading west, then east, on the Lake Street line today. He wasn't able to get the numbers, unfortunately. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 I was reading an article on CBS news, where Claypool envisions retiring only 500 cars versus the 706 that are due to start arriving soon. This has got me wondering, where is CTA is going to store 206 more cars? Most yards are at capacity now. Pink line has space for about 70 cars. I wonder if there may be a merge in the works, unless they are counting on a 130th red line yard to pop up in 3 years (the end of #5000 delivery) which I would be very surprised if that would happen that soon. Any comments? First, that seems like the first indication of giving the Notice to Proceed, although they did not come out and say that (or anything similar, such as that the test was successfully completed). The 130th yard might be one answer, in that they said that the extension would require about 84 cars. I suppose that if the New Start money doesn't come through until then, more cars hit the crusher. There was also some debate about whether capacity in the sense of more cars was increased on the Brown Line, and you said some Orange was being used for that, and I suppose there is still some capacity at Midway and Howard. Heck, the structure at the 61st St. Yard might still be there. As far as needing the infrastructure first, they probably do, but I wonder if the lawsuit on the State Capital Plan being resolved (and they have already collected about 18 months worth of the increased tax on booze, pop, candy, and license plate stickers, all presumably being held in escrow pending the outcome of that case), some state money is being freed up in the conceivable future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Flyer Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 There's plenty of room at Harlem/Lake and at 63rd Loomis on the Green Line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 First, that seems like the first indication of giving the Notice to Proceed, although they did not come out and say that (or anything similar, such as that the test was successfully completed). The 130th yard might be one answer, in that they said that the extension would require about 84 cars. I suppose that if the New Start money doesn't come through until then, more cars hit the crusher. As far as needing the infrastructure first, they probably do, but I wonder if the lawsuit on the State Capital Plan being resolved (and they have already collected about 18 months worth of the increased tax on booze, pop, candy, and license plate stickers, all presumably being held in escrow pending the outcome of that case), some state money is being freed up in the conceivable future. Yes, I got that impression also that Notice To Proceed may have secretly been given? Why else would they comment 1 car will be arriving per day. With possible talks of service cuts in next year's budget though (i'm hearing possibly as bad as 20-30 percent cuts) I don't see how the purple express can live on. If they could afford it however they could use Linden yard then for the extra storage space to increase the red line capacity (more trains) With Pace ending up with more of a financial gain than CTA (thanks to Quinn's transportation plan) it may just end up Pace would end up servicing the areas CTA does now where the service overlaps. It's going to be interesting times ahead to say the least. :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 There's plenty of room at Harlem/Lake and at 63rd Loomis on the Green Line As crazy as it sounds they may also intend to store the cars (#2600's) ahead of a 130th yard/extension opening or they would face another car purchase. Maybe some yards on the green, pink could be used, but would they would risk possible vandalism like what happened to the 60 or so lower #2600's when they were stored at Skokie Shops before the Alstom rehab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 ...With Pace ending up with more of a financial gain than CTA (thanks to Quinn's transportation plan). It's going to be interesting times ahead to say the least. I'm not sure what you mean by that. If you mean that Pace would get proportionately more capital, based on the Capital Bill that the Illinois Supreme Court just allowed, perhaps, but nothing has been said about reworking the RTA allocation of operating money last changed in 2008. However, "it may just end up Pace would end up servicing the areas CTA does now where the service overlaps," I've been advocating that for about 6 years, after about the second week of Ask Carole. I also put it on the (supposed) agenda for the CTA Tattler's Ask Forrest, which I won't repeat here. It would be interesting if that actually gets asked and answered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chgofan78 Posted July 12, 2011 Report Share Posted July 12, 2011 My husband reports seeing a four car set of 5000s heading west, then east, on the Lake Street line today. He wasn't able to get the numbers, unfortunately. I saw those 4 cars as well. They've been at 54th/Cermak yard for a month and occasionally come out. I always pass that yard at night, so I cant make out the car numbers- except at one time it was 5009-5010 because of the cta logo. I just wonder why there's always 5000 series cars parked in that yard ever since they stopped testing them on the Purple Line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sw4400 Posted July 13, 2011 Report Share Posted July 13, 2011 The idea of the Brown Line going all 5000's is plausible. Currently 162 3200's are at Kimball Yard, according to chicago-l.org. That might be the max capacity at Kimball Yard(162 is the largest number there recently. Before, the number was in the 140's or 150's) If it isn't, can that yard squeeze in 44 additional units? If so, that's where the 206 additional 5000's could possibly go, with the 3200's moving off to other lines while the Brown Line is done overnight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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