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Let's start with what's left at Kedzie. 67 in all they are: #4403, #4404, #4607 - #4609, #4612, #4624, #4626, #4628 - #4631, #4685, #4687, #4695, #4696, #4702 - #4705, #4708, #4709, #4711, #4713, #4714, #4717, #4718, #4720, #4722 - #4725, #4727, #4728, #4730, #4732 - #4734, #4736, #4738, #4742 - #4748, #4750, #4752 - #4755, #4768, #4770, #4772 - #4779, #4785, #4787, #4789, #4821 and #4822. Recent retiree's are #4400 - #4402 retired out of NP, #4610, #4611, #4683, #4690, #4694, #4731, #4737, #4769, #4782, and #4783. Some have been retired for years. #4740, one of them after the crash at Lake/Kedzie about 5 years ago. #4784 retired after a fire on Wacker east of Michigan.(about 5 years ago) and #4692 due to a fire too. (pictures were on Hopetunnel.org, last time I logged in I had an error message) I'll put the rest up later in the week.

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does anyone have a list of 103's remaining 4400's?

4541,4544,4585,4586,4587,4613,4616,4619,4621,4622,4628,4629,4630,4632,4633,4634,4637,4638,4639,4640,4641,4642,4644,4645,4646,4647,4648,4649,4650,4651,4653,4654,4655,4656,4657,4658,4659,4660,4662,4663,4664,4665,4666,4667,4668,4671,4673,4676,4677,4688,4697,4698,4699,4700,4701,4706,4707,4710,4711,4715,4716,4719,4721,4739,4741,4749,4751,4756,4757,4759,4760,4761,4762,4763,4771,4781,4786,4827,4831,4833,4836,4837,4844,4845,4846,4848,4849,4850,4852,4853,4857,4868,4871,4875 is what I have so far.

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4541,4544,4585,4586,4587,4613,4616,4619,4621,4622,4628,4629,4630,4632,4633,4634,4637,4638,4639,4640,4641,4642,4644,4645,4646,4647,4648,4649,4650,4651,4653,4654,4655,4656,4657,4658,4659,4660,4662,4663,4664,4665,4666,4667,4668,4671,4673,4676,4677,4688,4697,4698,4699,4700,4701,4706,4707,4710,4711,4715,4716,4719,4721,4739,4741,4749,4751,4756,4757,4759,4760,4761,4762,4763,4771,4781,4786,4827,4831,4833,4836,4837,4844,4845,4846,4848,4849,4850,4852,4853,4857,4868,4871,4875 is what I have so far.

Let me help you out New Flyer you have a few mistakes (Don't take it personal, these lists are hard to get 100 percent right anyway) I'll put my 103rd list out. I got 83 at 103rd they are #4619, #4623, #4625, #4627, #4633, #4634, #4638, #4639, #4641, #4642, #4645, #4647 - #4651, #4653 - #4655, #4657 - #4659, #4661, #4666, #4667, #4671, #4688, #4691, #4697, #4698, #4700, #4701, #4707, #4710, #4715, #4716, #4719, #4721, #4729, #4735, #4739, #4749, #4751, #4759, #4761, #4763, #4781, #4831, #4834 - #4838, #4840, #4841, #4844 - #4846, #4848 - #4850, #4852 - #4854, #4857, #4858, #4860 - #4863, #4865 - #4873 and #4875. Recent retiree's are #4621, #4622, #4632, #4640, #4643, #4644, #4646, #4652, #4663, #4664, #4668, #4669, #4699, #4706, #4712, #4726, #4741, #4756 and #4757. Some of your mistakes New Flyer are; #4637 at 77th not 103rd, #4585 retired NP,#4587 retired NP, #4541 and #4544 at 77th not 103rd, #4586 is at NP, #4613 and #4616 at 77th, #4621 and #4622 retired, #4628 - #4630 to Kedzie, #4640, #4644, #4646 retired, #4656,#4660 to 77th, #4663, #4664 retired, #4665, #4668 I think is retired (not sure), #4699,#4706 retired, #4711 to Kedzie, #4741 retired, #4756 retired, #4771 and #4786 and #4827 to 77th.

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Let me help you out New Flyer you have a few mistakes (Don't take it personal, these lists are hard to get 100 percent right anyway) I'll put my 103rd list out. I got 84 at 103rd they are #4619, #4623, #4625, #4627, #4633, #4634, #4638, #4639, #4641, #4642, #4645, #4647 - #4651, #4653 - #4655, #4657 - #4659, #4661, #4666, #4667, #4671, #4688, #4691, #4692, #4697, #4698, #4700, #4701, #4707, #4710, #4715, #4716, #4719, #4721, #4729, #4735, #4739, #4749, #4751, #4759, #4761, #4763, #4781, #4831, #4834 - #4838, #4840, #4841, #4844 - #4846, #4848 - #4850, #4852 - #4854, #4857, #4858, #4860 - #4863, #4865 - #4873 and #4875. Recent retiree's are #4621, #4622, #4632, #4640, #4643, #4644, #4646, #4652, #4663, #4664, #4668, #4669, #4699, #4706, #4712, #4726, #4741, #4756 and #4757. Some of your mistakes New Flyer are; #4637 at 77th not 103rd, #4585 retired NP,#4587 retired NP, #4541 and #4544 at 77th not 103rd, #4586 is at NP, #4613 and #4616 at 77th, #4621 and #4622 retired, #4628 - #4630 to Kedzie, #4640, #4644, #4646 retired, #4656,#4660 to 77th, #4663, #4664 retired, #4665, #4668 I think is retired (not sure), #4699,#4706 retired, #4711 to Kedzie, #4741 retired, #4756 retired, #4771 and #4786 and #4827 to 77th.

What's left at NP?

BTW: I'm retired??? :blink: j/k. 4400 may be gone, but will always be on this board under this sign-on name!

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Thank you so much for this Topic, I am enjoying riding the last of these Poor TMCs- my favorite Current CTA's fleet. I am going to miss it. Stay tune for that I am going to post some of them on "Your Tube" soon for memories.

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New Flyer,

Thank you so much for this Topic, I am enjoying riding the last of these Poor TMCs- my favorite Current CTA's fleet. I am going to miss it. Stay tune for that I am going to post some of them on "Your Tube" soon for memories.

That would be cool, qwantae. They were my favorite model after the retirement of the Americanas four years ago up until the first deliveries of the 1000s.

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Let me help you out New Flyer you have a few mistakes (Don't take it personal, these lists are hard to get 100 percent right anyway) I'll put my 103rd list out. I got 84 at 103rd they are #4619, #4623, #4625, #4627, #4633, #4634, #4638, #4639, #4641, #4642, #4645, #4647 - #4651, #4653 - #4655, #4657 - #4659, #4661, #4666, #4667, #4671, #4688, #4691, #4692, #4697, #4698, #4700, #4701, #4707, #4710, #4715, #4716, #4719, #4721, #4729, #4735, #4739, #4749, #4751, #4759, #4761, #4763, #4781, #4831, #4834 - #4838, #4840, #4841, #4844 - #4846, #4848 - #4850, #4852 - #4854, #4857, #4858, #4860 - #4863, #4865 - #4873 and #4875. Recent retiree's are #4621, #4622, #4632, #4640, #4643, #4644, #4646, #4652, #4663, #4664, #4668, #4669, #4699, #4706, #4712, #4726, #4741, #4756 and #4757. Some of your mistakes New Flyer are; #4637 at 77th not 103rd, #4585 retired NP,#4587 retired NP, #4541 and #4544 at 77th not 103rd, #4586 is at NP, #4613 and #4616 at 77th, #4621 and #4622 retired, #4628 - #4630 to Kedzie, #4640, #4644, #4646 retired, #4656,#4660 to 77th, #4663, #4664 retired, #4665, #4668 I think is retired (not sure), #4699,#4706 retired, #4711 to Kedzie, #4741 retired, #4756 retired, #4771 and #4786 and #4827 to 77th.

===Great job on the lists, BusHunter and NewFlyer. If I was to do the same, I couldn't come anywhere close to 100%. Having said that, I do have a couple of additional corrections:

4541 is still assigned to NP. I spotted in earlier this evening operating as a 22.

4544 was retired from NP according to a list posted by AndretheBusMan on the Yahoo

Chicago Transit Forum.

4692 is toast --- literally! Last assigned to Kedzie, it was fire-gutted some time ago.

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===Great job on the lists, BusHunter and NewFlyer. If I was to do the same, I couldn't come anywhere close to 100%. Having said that, I do have a couple of additional corrections:

4541 is still assigned to NP. I spotted in earlier this evening operating as a 22.

4544 was retired from NP according to a list posted by AndretheBusMan on the Yahoo

Chicago Transit Forum.

4692 is toast --- literally! Last assigned to Kedzie, it was fire-gutted some time ago.

#4692 I put under my Kedzie list as toast. I see I did put it again, sorry guys. I'll try to edit it later. Nobody's perfect. Right on #4541 and #4544 too. I can't get any mistakes past you guys. You are all good detectives. It's good to point out my mistakes for the accuracy of the lists. Keep up the good work guys!! Now for the good stuff. 2 more garages to post. the first 77th. 77th has 59 TMC's they are: #4545, #4547, #4551 - #4553, #4613 - #4618, #4637, #4656, #4660, #4677, #4678, #4680 - #4682, #4686, #4758,#4764, #4765, #4771, #4780, #4786, #4792 - #4799, #4801 - #4806, #4808, #4809, #4811 - #4816, #4819, #4820, #4823, #4825, #4827 - #4830, and #4832. Recent retiree's are #4606, #4620, #4679, #4684, #4766, #4791, #4800, #4807, #4810, #4817, and #4818. One thing to note: 5750's #4678 is still alive so far, but the tailight arrangment has been changed for years. Now for NP, no doubt the hardest list to put out. I got 114 TMC's there. There should actually be 97 - 104 there though. The 114 I got are: #4405, #4407, #4409 - #4417, #4419, #4420, #4422, #4424, #4426, #4427, #4429, #4432, #4433, #4435, #4437 - #4439, #4441, #4442, #4445, #4446, #4448 - #4454, #4456 - #4460, #4462 - #4466, #4468, #4470, #4471, #4473, #4475, #4476, #4478, #4480, #4482, #4484 - #4488, #4490, #4492 - #4495, #4497, #4498, #4505 - #4507, #4511, #4513, #4516 - #4519, #4521, #4522, #4524, #4525, #4527, #4528, #4533 - #4536, #4541, #4543, #4548, #4550, #4554, #4556 - #4559, #4561 - #4563, #4574, #4576, #4579, #4582, #4584, #4586, #4589, #4591, #4592, #4594 - #4596, #4598 -#4601, #4605 and #4762. Retirees are many they are: #4400 - #4402, #4406, #4408, #4418, #4421, #4423, #4425, #4428, #4430, #4431, #4434, #4436, #4440, #4443, #4444, #4447, #4455, #4461, #4467, #4469, #4472, #4474, #4477, #4479, #4481, #4483, #4489, #4491, #4496, #4499, #4501 - #4504, #4508 - #4510, #4512, #4515, #4520, #4523, #4526, #4529 - #4532, #4538, #4540, #4542, #4544, #4549, #4555, #4566 - #4568, #4570 - #4573, #4575, #4577, #4578, #4580, #4581, #4583, #4585, #4587, #4588, #4593 and #4602.

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#4692 I put under my Kedzie list as toast. I see I did put it again, sorry guys. I'll try to edit it later. Nobody's perfect. Right on #4541 and #4544 too. I can't get any mistakes past you guys. You are all good detectives. It's good to point out my mistakes for the accuracy of the lists. Keep up the good work guys!! Now for the good stuff. 2 more garages to post. the first 77th. 77th has 59 TMC's they are: #4545, #4547, #4551 - #4553, #4613 - #4618, #4637, #4656, #4660, #4677, #4678, #4680 - #4682, #4686, #4758,#4764, #4765, #4771, #4780, #4786, #4792 - #4799, #4801 - #4806, #4808, #4809, #4811 - #4816, #4819, #4820, #4823, #4825, #4827 - #4830, and #4832. Recent retiree's are #4604, #4606, #4620, #4679, #4684, #4766, #4791, #4800, #4807, #4810, #4817, and #4818. Some things to note: #4604 is the freshest retirement, just retired last week, also 5750's #4678 is still alive so far, but the tailight arrangment has been changed for years. Now for NP, no doubt the hardest list to put out. I got 122 TMC's there. There should actually be 97 - 104 there though. The 122 I got are: #4405, #4407, #4409 - #4417, #4419, #4420, #4422, #4424, #4426, #4427, #4429, #4432, #4433, #4435, #4437 - #4439, #4441, #4442, #4445, #4446, #4448 - #4454, #4456 - #4460, #4462 - #4466, #4468, #4470, #4471, #4473, #4475, #4476, #4478, #4480, #4482, #4484 - #4488, #4490, #4492 - #4495, #4497, #4498, #4500, #4505 - #4507, #4511, #4513, #4514, #4516 - #4519, #4521, #4522, #4524, #4525, #4527, #4528, #4533 - #4537, #4541, #4543, #4548, #4554, #4556 - #4565, #4569, #4574, #4576, #4579, #4582, #4584, #4586, #4589, #4591, #4592, #4594 - #4601, #4605 and #4762. Retirees are many they are: #4400 - #4402, #4406, #4408, #4418, #4421, #4423, #4425, #4428, #4430, #4431, #4434, #4436, #4440, #4443, #4444, #4447, #4455, #4461, #4467, #4469, #4472, #4474, #4477, #4479, #4481, #4483, #4489, #4491, #4496, #4499, #4501 - #4504, #4508 - #4510, #4512, #4515, #4520, #4523, #4526, #4529 - #4532, #4538, #4540, #4542, #4544, #4549, #4550, #4555, #4566 - #4568, #4570 - #4573, #4575, #4577, #4578, #4580, #4581, #4583, #4585, #4587, #4588, #4593 and #4602.
Andrethebusman furthur tweaks this list saying that #4416, #4453, #4468, #4473, #4492, and #4564 are retired from NP, #4545, #4547, #4615, #4805, #4812, #4814, #4820 are retired from 77th, #4835, #4841, #4858, #4863, #4866, #4873 are retired from 103rd. Also the Flxibles #5605, #5672, and #5701 are gone as well. Something of interest that he notes too is that the New Flyers #1592 - #1597 are not delivered yet. I recall someone on here noting #1595 was here. I guess not. All this new info brings us up to date to March 7th.

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Andrethebusman furthur tweaks this list saying that #4416, #4453, #4468, #4473, #4492, and #4564 are retired from NP, #4545, #4547, #4615, #4805, #4812, #4814, #4820 are retired from 77th, #4835, #4841, #4858, #4863, #4866, #4873 are retired from 103rd. Also the Flxibles #5605, #5672, and #5701 are gone as well. Something of interest that he notes too is that the New Flyers #1592 - #1597 are not delivered yet. I recall someone on here noting #1595 was here. I guess not. All this new info brings us up to date to March 7th.

That can't be right. We are into the 1600's now, and I recall somebody putting up a post about 1595 being seen on a NP route.

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That can't be right. We are into the 1600's now, and I recall somebody putting up a post about 1595 being seen on a NP route.

I thought I saw #1592 myself but I'm not sure on that. Something I am sure about was last night #1594 was on the #123, so maybe those few NF buses are starting to come in now.

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I thought you might like to know what changes have been made to the TMC's regarding what garages they are at, so I'm updating the list. If I have any errors feel free to correct me. First let's show the 110 TMC's at Kedzie they are: #4405, #4407, #4409 - #4413, #4415, #4419, #4420, #4422, #4427, #4429, #4433, #4437, #4438, #4441, #4442, #4445, #4446, #4448 - #4451, #4456, #4457, #4459, #4460, #4462, #4464, #4465, #4470, #4471, #4475, #4478, #4480, #4484 - #4488, #4490, #4494, #4495, #4607, #4609, #4612, #4626, #4628 - #4631, #4685, #4687, #4695, #4696, #4700 - #4705, #4707 - #4711, #4713, #4714, #4717, #4718, #4720, #4722 - #4725, #4727, #4728, #4730, #4732 - #4734, #4738, #4742 - #4748, #4750, #4752 - #4755, #4768, #4770, #4772 - #4779, #4785, #4787, #4789, #4821 and #4822. Now gone to the scrapyards are #4454, #4476, #4624 and #4736. There are now 46 at North Park they are: #4505 - #4507, #4511, #4513, #4516 - #4519, #4521, #4522, #4525, #4528, #4533 - #4536, #4541, #4543, #4548, #4550, #4554, #4556 - #4559, #4561 -#4563, #4565, #4574, #4576, #4579, #4582, #4584, #4586, #4589, #4591, #4592, #4594 - #4596, #4599 - #4601, and #4603. Now gone to the scrapyards are #4514, #4524, #4527 and #4598. There are 68 at 103rd they are: #4619, #4623, #4625, #4627, #4633, #4634, #4638, #4639, #4641, #4645, #4648 - #4651, #4653 - #4655, #4657 - #4659, #4661, #4662, #4666, #4667, #4671, #4688, #4691, #4697, #4698, #4715, #4716, #4719, #4721, #4729, #4735, #4739, #4749, #4751, #4759 - #4761, #4763, #4831, #4836 - #4838, #4840, #4844 - #4846, #4848 - #4850, #4852 - #4854, #4857, #4860 - #4862, #4865, #4867 - #4872 and #4875. Now gone to the scrapyard are #4642, #4647 and #4834. There are 48 at 77th they are: #4604, #4605, #4613, #4614, #4616 - #4618, #4637, #4656, #4660, #4677, #4678, #4680, #4681, #4682, #4686, #4758, #4762, #4764, #4765, #4771, #4780, #4786, #4788, #4792 - #4799, #4802 - #4804, #4806, #4808, #4809, #4811, #4813, #4815, #4816, #4819, #4823, #4825, #4828, #4829 and #4832. Gone to the scrapyards are #4689, #4801, #4827, and #4830.

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I thought you might like to know what changes have been made to the TMC's regarding what garages they are at, so I'm updating the list. If I have any errors feel free to correct me. First let's show the 110 TMC's at Kedzie they are: #4405, #4407, #4409 - #4413, #4415, #4419, #4420, #4422, #4427, #4429, #4433, #4437, #4438, #4441, #4442, #4445, #4446, #4448 - #4451, #4456, #4457, #4459, #4460, #4462, #4464, #4465, #4470, #4471, #4475, #4478, #4480, #4484 - #4488, #4490, #4494, #4495, #4607, #4609, #4612, #4626, #4628 - #4631, #4685, #4687, #4695, #4696, #4700 - #4705, #4707 - #4711, #4713, #4714, #4717, #4718, #4720, #4722 - #4725, #4727, #4728, #4730, #4732 - #4734, #4738, #4742 - #4748, #4750, #4752 - #4755, #4768, #4770, #4772 - #4779, #4785, #4787, #4789, #4821 and #4822. Now gone to the scrapyards are #4454, #4476, #4624 and #4736. There are now 52 at North Park they are: #4500, #4505 - #4507, #4511, #4513, #4516 - #4519, #4521, #4522, #4524, #4525, #4528, #4533 - #4537, #4541, #4543, #4548, #4550, #4554, #4556 - #4563, #4565, #4569, #4574, #4576, #4579, #4582, #4584, #4586, #4589, #4591, #4592, #4594 - #4597, #4599 - #4601, and #4603. Now gone to the scrapyards are #4514, #4527 and #4598. There are 68 at 103rd they are: #4619, #4623, #4625, #4627, #4633 - #4635, #4638, #4639, #4641, #4645, #4648 - #4651, #4653 - #4655, #4657 - #4659, #4661, #4662, #4666, #4667, #4671, #4688, #4691, #4697, #4698, #4715, #4716, #4719, #4721, #4729, #4735, #4739, #4749, #4751, #4759, #4761, #4763, #4831, #4836 - #4838, #4840, #4844 - #4846, #4848 - #4850, #4852 - #4854, #4857, #4860 - #4862, #4865, #4867 - #4872 and #4875. Now gone to the scrapyard are #4642, #4647 and #4834. There are 48 at 77th they are: #4604, #4605, #4613, #4614, #4616 - #4618, #4637, #4656, #4660, #4677, #4678, #4680, #4681, #4682, #4686, #4758, #4762, #4764, #4765, #4771, #4780, #4786, #4788, #4792 - #4799, #4802 - #4804, #4806, #4808, #4809, #4811, #4813, #4815, #4816, #4819, #4823, #4825, #4828, #4829 and #4832. Gone to the scrapyards are #4689, #4801, #4827, and #4830.

Wow. The count is now down to 278 left. Thanks for the info Bushunter.

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Wow. The count is now down to 278 left. Thanks for the info Bushunter.

Well the thread is called "Whats left of the 4400 TMCs" Let see how good your eyes are. Can you spot a bus in this picture?

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Well the thread is called "Whats left of the 4400 TMCs" Let see how good your eyes are. Can you spot a bus in this picture?

That's either 4455 or 455(something).

Anybody know what's happened to 4669?

This really makes me sad. These are the last buses that CTA has that have any soul. Yeah, it's great that Chicago's going to be a New Flyer town...but still... :(

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Well the thread is called "Whats left of the 4400 TMCs" Let see how good your eyes are. Can you spot a bus in this picture?

Looks like what remains of the front of 4455 in the middle of the picture. Am I right? Plus the scattered remains of possibly this bus or some other deceased bus in the top and middle parts of the pile. I made out some seats scattered about and a window frame down below the front of the frame.

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I just got back from another trip down to 92/Ewing. The pic in my last post your looking at is all that remains of TMC #4455 in the middle of that huge pile and you can spot many bus parts in this shot too, it shocked the hell out of me!. It looks like the death of bus #4455! I do have many more photos to share and they are just as sad to view. Although if there was any good out of this, I was fortunate to meet one of the scrappers who worked there. After I dropped off my scrap metal, he gave me permission to view the buses after I identifed myself to him. I let him know I was a former CTA bus driver. I told him I drove a couple of these buses and he had a real good attitude about it. I asked if I could take some photos and he told me "take as many as you want!". He was very friendly, so friendly in fact he let me go right up to the buses awaiting their final trip to the scrapper. What an awful site to see, a graveyard dosent even begin to describe it. He also tells me that he expects more buses to be shipped there next week, possibly wed or thur. By the way Flxible #5456 and TMC 4514 are gone, theyve been scrapped. I plan to make more trips there next week.

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That's either 4455 or 455(something).

Anybody know what's happened to 4669?

This really makes me sad. These are the last buses that CTA has that have any soul. Yeah, it's great that Chicago's going to be a New Flyer town...but still... :(

#4669 is sitting in this junkyard I posted pics of them three days ago.

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That's either 4455 or 455(something).

Anybody know what's happened to 4669?

It's waiting to join #4455 at the dinner table. ( funny) Hey!! What happened to the emoticons? I'm getting an error on page message. I guess the jokes on me!!

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Here are TMC #4523,#4643 and #4669. #4479 is just out of the picture on the right. The buses that are here currently are #4439,4417,4479,4643,4669,4523,4502,4524 and #4443. The sight of #4523 just sad? There are two more TMC buses, I was unable to get their numbers. There were no Flxibles on the property today.

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It appears that they get the tires and axles off first, but I wonder how they sort the big pile, especially since the TMCs, unlike others, have fiberglass shells.

Then, again, the newspapers had pictures about 11 years ago of New Looks stacked up in the junk yard.

I also remember when TMC advertised that 97% of the RTS were still on the road, but that would be expected given the 12 year FTA service life. One wonders what the percentage is today.

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I have put all the bits and pieces of scrapped TMC bus numbers into one big post here. Let me know if this is correct & up-to-date...

At the CTA Scrapyards

4400,4401,4402,4406,4408,4416,4417,4418,4421,4423,4425,4428,4430,4431,4434,4436,4439,4440,4441,4443,4444,4447,4453,4454,4455,4461,4467,4468,4469,4472,4473,4474,4476,4477,4479,4481,4483,4489,4491,4492,4496,4499,4501,4502,4503,4504,4508,4509,4510,4512,4514,4515,4520,4523,4524,4526,4527,4529,4530,4531,4532,4538,4540,4542,4544,4545,4547,4549,4555,4564,4566,4567,4568,4570,4571,4572,4573,4575,4577,4578,4580,4581,4583,4585,4587,4588,4593,4598,4602,4606,4610,4611,4615,4620,4621,4622,4624,4632,4640,4642,4643,4644,4646,4647,4652,4663,4664,4665,4668,4669,4679,4683,4684,4689,4690,4692,4694,4699,4706,4712,4726,4731,4736,4737,4740,4741,4756,4757,4766,4769,4782,4783,4784,4791,4800,4801,4805,4807,4810,4812,4814,4817,4818,4820,4827,4830,4834,4835,4841,4858,4866,and 4873

-As of Apr. 11th, 2008

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