More Bus Moves

[artthouwill]

3 hours ago, jajuan said:

Well the 6 can be explained as further evidence of 77th having an aversion to articulated buses since that route CTA wants run primarily with artics and 77th keeps casting off any artics it gets within a few months of them being assigned there as the past decade has shown us. 

Not sure if 77th has an aversion to artics as much as an aversion to losing nwe equipment to other garages for their used equipment.   Remember 77th ran for years with MAN artics, then NABIs.   Remember the artics left only because of the route shifts.   77th ran the 400 even after the Red Line rebuild,  but then lost them to NP, which already had th highest numbered 4000s, which is what they swapped.   Sometimes someone says enough.   They would rather have no artics then having someone hand me downs. 

[Busjack]

1 hour ago, artthouwill said:

77th ran the 4[3]00 even after the Red Line rebuild

Those were about as new as could be expected under the circumstances, but somehow were suddenly purged from 79th St. That's what's being questioned, as well as why 77th got rid of route 6.

1 hour ago, artthouwill said:

They would rather have no artics then having someone hand me downs. 

77th has taken hand me downs, like when there were swaps of low 6400s for high 6400s with FG, and swaps resulting in getting 5300s from 103rd. By that theory, 77th now should have ~1220-1329 and 1900s, but if it now does, that is only by coincidence.

[jajuan]

3 hours ago, artthouwill said:

Not sure if 77th has an aversion to artics as much as an aversion to losing nwe equipment to other garages for their used equipment.   Remember 77th ran for years with MAN artics, then NABIs.   Remember the artics left only because of the route shifts.   77th ran the 400 even after the Red Line rebuild,  but then lost them to NP, which already had th highest numbered 4000s, which is what they swapped.   Sometimes someone says enough.   They would rather have no artics then having someone hand me downs. 

Not sure of the aversion to hand me downs theory when it's just about always first on the list for new bus models or close to the top of the list, and when it purged all its 6400s off on Chicago, 74th and Forest Glen a good month before being the first to getting 7900s. That's a move that's never been done in CTA's recent history before getting a new bus model delivered. Model purges usually come after the newer bus model starts coming in on property.

[artthouwill]

I am not sure,  but wasn't the migration of the 6 and 29 to 103rd related to balancing runs through each garage?   The 8 went to Kedzie among other things.   Somehow in that process,  K became overcrowded while 77th became roomier. 

[Busjack]

3 hours ago, artthouwill said:

The 8 went to Kedzie among other things.

In recent history, 8 went from 74th to K and then to 77th.

What reminds me was the Tribune visit to 74th when it went all BusTracker and the reporter got a ride on 8, and someone wrote a comment that it had been transferred to K.

[andrethebusman]

8199 showed up on assignment sheet at C today. 8198 still not accepted.

[ajm522]

Those same busses from yesterday seem to be sticking at FG for the time being. 1419, 1421,1689,1799 all showing up on various FG routes.

[sw4400]

48 minutes ago, ajm522 said:

Those same busses from yesterday seem to be sticking at FG for the time being. 1419, 1421,1689,1799 all showing up on various FG routes.

1419,1421,1689,1799 are all Chicago Garage buses. Don't know what they are doing up at FG..... loaners??? Another equipment move(it would break the block theory though, as FG has 1000-1033)???

1419(Not Showing), 1421(Not Showing), 1689(#56), 1799(#76)

[Busjack]

40 minutes ago, sw4400 said:

1419,1421,1689,1799 are all Chicago Garage buses. Don't know what they are doing up at FG..... loaners??? Another equipment move(it would break the block theory though, as FG has 1000-1033)???

1419(Not Showing), 1421(Not Showing), 1689(#56), 1799(#76)

It was explained earlier by jajuan here.C has about gotten its 100 new buses and didn't need to replace that many.

A block strategy doesn't mean only one block, and I guess you prefer having breakdowns further north while newer buses sit idle 3 miles south.

[jajuan]

18 hours ago, Busjack said:

In recent history, 8 went from 74th to K and then to 77th.

What reminds me was the Tribune visit to 74th when it went all BusTracker and the reporter got a ride on 8, and someone wrote a comment that it had been transferred to K.

Don't forget that before the 8 went to 77th, it went from being all K to being shared by K and 74th primarily during weekdays and especially during the rush periods.

As for the latest NFs at FG that others have been talking about, if they're permanently reassigned from C to FG instead of simply being loans that can only be good for FG because C has been sitting on an excess number of buses even after shedding some NFs to 74th, first to help fill in the gap of approximately 30 left by 74th's last 6400s getting moved or retired and then to boost 74th's numbers for the return of X9 and X49, while FG has been stuck with extra 6400s that should have been retired long before now. 

[RJL6000]

Ohmygawd, tomorrow starts yet another round of swapping 1000-series New Flyer buses...

...but this time, the primary garage of focus will be 77th. 103rd is done swapping for now. 77th will be swapping with 74th, Chicago, Kedzie and North Park in the coming week(end)s, with no more than two garages besides 77th involved during any single weekend.

[garmon757]

54 minutes ago, RJL6000 said:

Ohmygawd, tomorrow starts yet another round of swapping 1000-series New Flyer buses...

...but this time, the primary garage of focus will be 77th. 103rd is done swapping for now. 77th will be swapping with 74th, Chicago, Kedzie and North Park in the coming week(end)s, with no more than two garages besides 77th involved during any single weekend.

I'm assuming 74th is getting 1541-48, and 1560-1576, Kedzie getting the remaining 1600s, Chicago getting the remaining 1900s (1930 and higher), and North Park getting the lower 1900s back in exchange of the remaining 1200s and some 1300s. 77th owe 74th about 20-25 buses. 

[ajm522]

40 minutes ago, garmon757 said:

I'm assuming 74th is getting 1541-48, and 1560-1576, Kedzie getting the remaining 1600s, Chicago getting the remaining 1900s (1930 and higher), and North Park getting the lower 1900s back in exchange of the remaining 1200s and some 1300s. 77th owe 74th about 20-25 buses. 

I still don't think 77th will let go of their 1900's. They seriously just got 1929-1931. I think that 77th will keep those. They have lasted this long. Especially 1936,1941,1944,1945,1946,1948,1982,1986,1988,1993. I could be wrong. I just don't know why they would move the busses just to move them back. 

[jajuan]

2 hours ago, ajm522 said:

I still don't think 77th will let go of their 1900's. They seriously just got 1929-1931. I think that 77th will keep those. They have lasted this long. Especially 1936,1941,1944,1945,1946,1948,1982,1986,1988,1993. I could be wrong. 

If the current plan is getting assigned NF standards at garages in some form of contiguous numerical order then, yeah the remaining 1900s at 77th you might be saying bye bye too since it does appear that they want 77th to have the 1200s higher than 1211 and a good chunk of the 1300s if the NF count at 77th is going to still be about 187.per BH's roster count. So from how things are looking to shape up, you'll have to ride a Chicago garage route to get one of those Allison transmission NFs. So from recent change patterns, it looks like 77th might not just be giving up 1500s to 74th, it may be giving 74th 1400s as well.

Edited April 23, 2016 by jajuan
Quick correction accounting BH's observation below.

[BusHunter]

Actually #1211 has shown up at 103rd all week.

[jajuan]

19 minutes ago, BusHunter said:

Actually #1211 has shown up at 103rd all week.

I spotted that in your roster soon after making that post. Correcting now.

[BusHunter]

6 hours ago, garmon757 said:

I'm assuming 74th is getting 1541-48, and 1560-1576, Kedzie getting the remaining 1600s, Chicago getting the remaining 1900s (1930 and higher), and North Park getting the lower 1900s back in exchange of the remaining 1200s and some 1300s. 77th owe 74th about 20-25 buses. 

I'm going to say FG might get a few more #1680's oddballs from Chicago, but yeah primarily they are going to be working on 77th and 74th but somewhere chicago and np have to brought into this because they both have #1200's.

[RJL6000]

So far this morning, no evidence of a swap although #1214, #1223, #1235, #1271, #1272, #1280-#1283, #1587-#1596, #1601, #1603, #1606 and #1620 are currently MIA. #1217, #1250, #1251 and #1254-#1256 are still at Kedzie at the moment.

[patman119]

1329 is currently on the 81

[jajuan]

28 minutes ago, patman119 said:

1329 is currently on the 81

Not too much of a surprise since that's one of the NFs apparently formerly of Chicago garage that's shown up on FG routes since Thursday. That day it first was reported on 81W. That one's not a weekend move.

[ajm522]

1603 on #8

[RJL6000]

21 minutes ago, ajm522 said:

1603 on #8

No swaps today. 1603 has been a 77th bus for quite some time now.

[sw4400]

Forest Glen (261 total)

Nova Smart LFS #7900 series (2014)

Buses delivered and waiting to go into service at south shops

#8200 (1 total)

New Flyer D40LF #1000 series (2006- 2009):

#1000 - #1033 (34)

#1329, #1419, #1421, #1689, #1799 (temp loans from Chicago) (5) (39 total)

Nova LFS #6400 series (2000 - 2002):
#6451 - #6456, #6458, #6460 - #6462, #6464 - #6468, #6470 - #6474, #6477, #6479, #6480, #6482, #6484, #6488, #6550, #6552 - #6554, #6558, #6559, #6562, #6564, #6565, #6569, #6571 - #6581, #6585, #6605, #6620, #6622, #6627, #6633, #6634, #6668, #6669, #6671, #6672, #6674 - #6679, #6681 - #6684, #6686 - #6689, #6691, #6692, #6694 - #6697, #6699 - #6702, #6704 - #6706, #6710 - #6716, #6718, #6722, #6724, #6725, #6727 - #6730, #6733, #6734, #6736, #6737, #6740, #6742 - #6748, #6750 - #6752, #6754, #6755, #6757 - #6764, #6766 - #6773, #6775, #6776, #6778, #6780 - #6784, #6787, #6788, #6790 - #6794, #6796 - #6799, #6801 - #6808, #6810 - #6812, #6814 - #6822, #6824, #6826 - #6829, #6833 - #6838, #6840 - #6844, #6846 - #6850, #6852 - #6877, #6881 - #6883 (222 total)

Buses at Fg known to have complete BO destinations

#6464, #6552, #6554, #6674, #6678, #6687, #6697 (front sign is working only), #6747, #6771, #6826

FG buses known to not have an updated clever device (it seems to be mostly buses in the low to mid #6500's up to the #6660's so far)

#6622, #6627, #6633, #6634 (4 confirmed)

@BusHunter, does this make 99.99% confirmation that 8200-8324 are going to FG when they start rolling from South Shops to their assigned garage, or is this still speculation based on what has been moved where? I am excited about the prospect of brand new buses at FG, but don't want my hopes dashed if this is a false pretense.....

[ajm522]

36 minutes ago, RJL6000 said:

No swaps today. 1603 has been a 77th bus for quite some time now.

I know. I should of quoted you. Earlier you said 1600's at 77th were MIA. I was just saying it appeared at 77th. 

[busfan2847]

I do not think 6458, 6605, 6802 have not been out this month

6698 has been in service every time I have checked on maths22 website.