Busjack Posted November 26, 2018 Report Share Posted November 26, 2018 On 11/26/2018 at 6:31 AM, Pace831 said: Approximate address was 1501 E 103rd, or here, so you are correct the bus was turning into the southbound ramp. Expand I figured that the ABC7 story was wrong, in that Woodlawn doesn't even go south there. Obviously it was a 353 doing as what you said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pace831 Posted November 26, 2018 Report Share Posted November 26, 2018 On 11/26/2018 at 3:22 PM, Busjack said: I figured that the ABC7 story was wrong, in that Woodlawn doesn't even go south there. Obviously it was a 353 doing as what you said. Expand Woodlawn does go south from 103rd. It turns into Doty Av, which is the frontage road along the Bishop Ford that goes to Walmart. But we are in agreement that the accident didn’t happen there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrethebusman Posted November 26, 2018 Report Share Posted November 26, 2018 Most likely scenario is Pace driver underestimated how fast CTA was going and how fast his bus could accelerate from a stop, CTA driver did not expect Pace to turn in front of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted November 26, 2018 Report Share Posted November 26, 2018 On 11/26/2018 at 8:48 PM, andrethebusman said: Most likely scenario is Pace driver underestimated how fast CTA was going and how fast his bus could accelerate from a stop, CTA driver did not expect Pace to turn in front of him. Expand Unless the Pace bus was in reverse and the driver was not using the backup cam, the usual presumption is that if you are rear ended, the other driver is at fault. Pace driver was supposed to take the turn onto the ramp at 53 mph? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pace831 Posted November 26, 2018 Report Share Posted November 26, 2018 On 11/26/2018 at 9:25 PM, Busjack said: Unless the Pace bus was in reverse and the driver was not using the backup cam, the usual presumption is that if you are rear ended, the other driver is at fault. Pace driver was supposed to take the turn onto the ramp at 53 mph? Expand The bus wasn't "rear ended" in the usual sense. They were traveling opposite directions when the Pace bus turned across the path of the CTA bus, and the impact was to the rear of the Pace bus as it was nearing the end of its turn. There could easily have been a dispute over whether Pace turned unsafely or CTA ran the red light, which might explain why no citations were issued. The crash report has the primary cause listed as "UNABLE TO DETERMINE". There's not enough information for us to determine who was at fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artthouwill Posted November 27, 2018 Report Share Posted November 27, 2018 On 11/26/2018 at 11:06 PM, Pace831 said: The bus wasn't "rear ended" in the usual sense. They were traveling opposite directions when the Pace bus turned across the path of the CTA bus, and the impact was to the rear of the Pace bus at the end of the turn. There could easily have been a dispute over whether Pace turned unsafely or CTA ran the red light, which might explain why no citations were issued. The crash report has the primary cause listed as "UNABLE TO DETERMINE". There's not enough information for us to determine who was at fault. Expand Like I said earlier, the dashcam could tell us, not that the agencies would divulge anything. I would expect both agencies to be sued in court for unsafe actions contributing to this accident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted November 27, 2018 Report Share Posted November 27, 2018 On 11/26/2018 at 11:06 PM, Pace831 said: The bus wasn't "rear ended" in the usual sense. They were traveling opposite directions when the Pace bus turned across the path of the CTA bus, and the impact was to the rear of the Pace bus as it was nearing the end of its turn. There could easily have been a dispute over whether Pace turned unsafely or CTA ran the red light, which might explain why no citations were issued. The crash report has the primary cause listed as "UNABLE TO DETERMINE". There's not enough information for us to determine who was at fault. Expand So your saying the #353 does a 180 there? If it did a 90 it would have side impact damage. Regardless the bus was rear ended and will be viewed as the fault of the striker. The CTA bus was obviously driving too fast for conditions if the road was slick it's still the strikers fault. No citations were probably not issued due to blaming road conditions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted November 27, 2018 Report Share Posted November 27, 2018 On 11/26/2018 at 11:06 PM, Pace831 said: The crash report has the primary cause listed as "UNABLE TO DETERMINE". Expand That's because the police report is inadmissible hearsay if the cop was not there at the moment of the collision. It only provides proof that the accident was reported and forms for reporting it to the Secretary of State. You're putting too much into it. On 11/27/2018 at 12:25 AM, artthouwill said: I would expect both agencies to be sued in court for unsafe actions contributing to this accident. Expand If you mean by the passengers, sure, as the lawyers will join anyone potentially liable. There probably will be an intergovernmental agreement between CTA and Pace settling the property damage, again not including an admission of liability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artthouwill Posted November 27, 2018 Report Share Posted November 27, 2018 On 11/27/2018 at 2:24 PM, BusHunter said: So your saying the #353 does a 180 there? If it did a 90 it would have side impact damage. Regardless the bus was rear ended and will be viewed as the fault of the striker. The CTA bus was obviously driving too fast for conditions if the road was slick it's still the strikers fault. No citations were probably not issued due to blaming road conditions. Expand A rear end accident is when some hits another vehicle in the rear end. What happened here was a t - bone, although it was toward the rear of the bus, it was still a SIDE impact, not a rear end. This is why no citation was issued. CTA could possibly charge their driver with a preventable accident which means the driver didn't do something(s) that could prevented the accident from happening. Pace probably will charge their driver with a preventable accident. Most companies will fire you for 3 preventable accidents in a twelve month period. However., when there's major damage, injuries, or fatalities involved, a company or agency can move fire a person based only on that accident. Some even fire drivers for one thing minor preventable if the driver is in a probationary period . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pace831 Posted November 27, 2018 Report Share Posted November 27, 2018 On 11/27/2018 at 2:24 PM, BusHunter said: So your saying the #353 does a 180 there? If it did a 90 it would have side impact damage. Regardless the bus was rear ended and will be viewed as the fault of the striker. The CTA bus was obviously driving too fast for conditions if the road was slick it's still the strikers fault. No citations were probably not issued due to blaming road conditions. Expand On 11/27/2018 at 3:01 PM, Busjack said: That's because the police report is inadmissible hearsay if the cop was not there at the moment of the collision. It only provides proof that the accident was reported and forms for reporting it to the Secretary of State. You're putting too much into it. Expand The part you quoted wasn't intended to prove anything in the previous sentences, it was only to show that those of us on this forum aren't able to tell who is at fault. The officer(s) on scene couldn't easily tell what the primary cause was, so we can't either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted November 28, 2018 Report Share Posted November 28, 2018 On 11/27/2018 at 7:49 PM, Pace831 said: Expand If this is the correct representation of what happened, the ABC7 statement that the buses were operating in opposite directions at the time of the collision was somewhere between mortadella and doktorskaya. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pace831 Posted October 24, 2019 Report Share Posted October 24, 2019 6968 was involved in an accident today on the Stevenson near Cicero while operating the first outbound combo trip. Circumstances are unknown at this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewFlyerMCI Posted October 24, 2019 Report Share Posted October 24, 2019 On 10/24/2019 at 11:25 PM, Pace831 said: 6968 was involved in an accident today on the Stevenson near Cicero while operating the first outbound combo trip. Circumstances are unknown at this time. Expand I'm curious to see if it involved the shoulder or not. Were people hurt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pace831 Posted October 25, 2019 Report Share Posted October 25, 2019 On 10/24/2019 at 11:47 PM, NewFlyerMCI said: I'm curious to see if it involved the shoulder or not. Were people hurt? Expand I’m not sure. I heard a traffic report on the radio of “an accident involving a Pace bus”, and then checked bus tracker to find the number. It didn’t make the news that I know of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewFlyerMCI Posted October 25, 2019 Report Share Posted October 25, 2019 On 10/25/2019 at 12:02 AM, Pace831 said: I’m not sure. I heard a traffic report on the radio of “an accident involving a Pace bus”, and then checked bus tracker to find the number. It didn’t make the news that I know of. Expand Hmm. Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artthouwill Posted October 26, 2019 Report Share Posted October 26, 2019 On 11/26/2018 at 11:06 PM, Pace831 said: The bus wasn't "rear ended" in the usual sense. They were traveling opposite directions when the Pace bus turned across the path of the CTA bus, and the impact was to the rear of the Pace bus as it was nearing the end of its turn. There could easily have been a dispute over whether Pace turned unsafely or CTA ran the red light, which might explain why no citations were issued. The crash report has the primary cause listed as "UNABLE TO DETERMINE". There's not enough information for us to determine who was at fault. Expand It's been almost a year since this accident happened but I haven't seen any other information about this accident between the CTA and Pace buses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erin Mishkin Jr. Posted October 3, 2024 Report Share Posted October 3, 2024 6753 was involved in a accident with a SUV back in August, didn’t know about this until now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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