CTA Service Adjustments

[mkohut]

No it's not and he didn't walk those words back some out of embarrassment. He did it out of political expediency to some degree. Maybe he remembered CTA riders come in different stripes and do still vote as evidenced by his displays at shaking hands at the L station.

Unless he is a personal friend of Warren Buffet i don't think he will be able to keep his promise of the Red Line going to 130th.

[Busjack]

Unless he is a personal friend of Warren Buffet i don't think he will be able to keep his promise of the Red Line going to 130th.

In that it was still on the list of projects "for which funding has not been identified" in the Illinois Chamber of Commerce article the other day, you are probably correct. Also, the past "representative" of the 2nd District didn't make it a priority, and most of the clown college who have announced for that seat haven't said anything about it.

I've said before that even if there were money, this is bogged down in the alternatives analysis and environmental impact study stages. The Illinois Tollway could get its projects past environmental review, but apparently the CTA consultants can't.

[mkohut]

In that it was still on the list of projects "for which funding has not been identified" in the Illinois Chamber of Commerce article the other day, you are probably correct. Also, the past "representative" of the 2nd District didn't make it a priority, and most of the clown college who have announced for that seat haven't said anything about it.

I've said before that even if there were money, this is bogged down in the alternatives analysis and environmental impact study stages. The Illinois Tollway could get its projects past environmental review, but apparently the CTA consultants can't.

As usual another Consultant getting a good pay day with nothing to show for it.

Also,you had The past Representative doing wishful thinking of a Peotone airport.

With the State wasteing money buying the land.

[cta5658]

Question, with the elimination of the 170-172 routes, what's gonna happen with 103rd's Optimas

[jajuan]

Question, with the elimination of the 170-172 routes, what's gonna happen with 103rd's Optimas

Possibly nothing till after next August which is when those routes end under the remainder of the current contract.

[Kevin]

Question, with the elimination of the 170-172 routes, what's gonna happen with 103rd's Optimas

They'll be sold to a clown college.

[cta5658]

They'll be sold to a clown college.

ROFL, that's a good one

[jajuan]

ROFL, that's a good one

Agreed :lol:

[Busjack]

They'll be sold to a clown college.

I still think that the squiggle on the side with the CTA ball logo is a seal balancing a beach ball. So, maybe.

[qwantae]

They'll be sold to a clown college.

Or maybe put them in Storage until Hammond, Indiana would able to Restore their service back depending on what happened to their fleet, they've been buying used fleet mostly anyway.

[Busjack]

Or maybe put them in Storage until Hammond, Indiana would able to Restore their service back depending on what happened to their fleet, they've been buying used fleet mostly anyway.

On thing I can assure you is that the Times of Munster has published no indication of this; just squabbling over how quickly the RBA should go out of business and where any leftover money should be sent. Looks more like the NW Indiana Regional Planning Commission would be more interested in getting rid of Hammond's 7 Optimas, which the Commission owns.

[mkohut]

In Tracy Swartz column it points out areas of less service that Claypool claim there adding service.

According to detailed timetables posted to the CTA's Web site, the number of trains that leave O'Hare from 6:30 a.m. and 9:08 a.m. will decrease from 32 to 30.

Those waiting for the southbound Brown Line at Belmont between 6:30 a.m. and 7:10 a.m. will have to wait longer because there will be two fewer trains heading southbound during that time. Riders who use the Brown Line during evening rush hour will not see additional service.

Claypool should be appearing on Maury takeing a lie detector test when he claims they add service.

[Busjack]

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Claypool should be appearing on Maury takeing a lie detector test when he claims they add service.

Again, obviously the truth. However, Maury is only interested if Claypool is having sex with Rahm's cousin.

Apparently, Tracy did what some of us did, such as David H. pointing out that Blue Line service is being cut weekends past UIC, and other discussions based on the advance timetables that were not publicized in the presentations. Of course, one could also say, in response to Tracy, that it depends on the particular time span. There is also the issue, raised earlier, of Brownage trains not showing up on some of the timetables.

Update: It could also be misrepresentation, in that "service was added to 146," but only partially to the extent that 145 previously provided the same service.

So, basically the conclusion can be made that those outside the CTA planning dept. don't know wtf they did.

Of course, at the moment, I don't see a notice on transitchicago.com of a special meeting to be held Dec. 15. I assume that despite what the board members quoted in the Sun-Times implied, there won't be one.

[busfan2847]

In Tracy Swartz column it points out areas of less service that Claypool claim there adding service.

According to detailed timetables posted to the CTA's Web site, the number of trains that leave O'Hare from 6:30 a.m. and 9:08 a.m. will decrease from 32 to 30.

The reality of this is that the frequency of trains at O'Hare reduces on average from one every 5 minutes to one every 5.25 minutes. Blue Line trains - even in the rush hour - run empty until after Jefferson Park with standing passengers typically after Belmont. If you are trying to reduce congestion you add service to the congested part of the route not to the whole route. Starting trains coming out of Rosemont Yard at Rosemont rather than have them run out to O'Hare first is a good idea.

You did not quote the paragraph two before in Tracy's column that pointed out that the number of Blue Line trains leaving Rosemont station in the same time period is increasing from 35 to 38.

[MetroShadow]

In Tracy Swartz column it points out areas of less service that Claypool claim there adding service.

According to detailed timetables posted to the CTA's Web site, the number of trains that leave O'Hare from 6:30 a.m. and 9:08 a.m. will decrease from 32 to 30.

Those waiting for the southbound Brown Line at Belmont between 6:30 a.m. and 7:10 a.m. will have to wait longer because there will be two fewer trains heading southbound during that time. Riders who use the Brown Line during evening rush hour will not see additional service.

Claypool should be appearing on Maury takeing a lie detector test when he claims they add service.

She doesn't account for Jeff Park short-turns or Rosemont pull-ins, which is important to note. Just because it doesn't go to the airport doesn't mean there's no service. Its allocated to a busier section of the route.

So its maybe half true.

[mkohut]

If you cut the amount of trips from O'hare how can it be worth 5 dollars.That is the amount the Claypool wants to charge.

[Busjack]

If you cut the amount of trips from O'hare how can it be worth 5 dollars.That is the amount the Claypool wants to charge.

Conversely, if you raise the rate to $5, there will be even fewer passengers. And, as busfan2847 indicates, 25 seconds isn't going to make that much of a difference.

Maybe you are getting into the rationale for why an airport express was proposed, with a fare of $10 each way, but that seems daid at the moment, too.

[mkohut]

Conversely, if you raise the rate to $5, there will be even fewer passengers. And, as busfan2847 indicates, 25 seconds isn't going to make that much of a difference.

Maybe you are getting into the rationale for why an airport express was proposed, with a fare of $10 each way, but that seems daid at the moment, too.

While 25 seconds isn't that much of a difference.One can argue since O'hare has the most passengers on the line.They should be getting added service.

[Busjack]

While 25 seconds isn't that much of a difference.One can argue since O'hare has the most passengers on the line.They should be getting added service.

According to the other two posts, not necessarily the case. Again, even though the Ridership Report reflects that, that doesn't mean that they are all coming inbound during the morning rush hour, or that they are packing the train at the terminal, sort of compared to a southbound Red Line train being packed by Loyola (or at least all the seats taken) and being unbearably crowed by around Sheridan. I don't know if the latter is still the case, but in no event would that be reflected in the Ridership Report.

On the other hand, the Ridership Report implies that CTA might be making a good piece of change by raising the fare at O'Hare.

[jajuan]

Well look for some folks to possibly be confused today because Bustracker still shows eliminated routes and route segments on the map with no notation that those were eliminated although hovering your mouse over a stop in the eliminated area does give you the notation 'No arrival times available'. It also appears the new 111 and 115 operate on an interline. When a bus from one route arrives at one of the route terminals it becomes a bus for the other route of the opposite direction. For example a southbound 111 arriving at Marshfield Plaza would become a northbound 115 and vice versa and a northbound 111 arriving at 95th/Dan Ryan would similarly become a southbound 115.

[Busjack]

Well look for some folks to possibly be confused today because Bustracker still shows eliminated routes and route segments on the map with no notation that those were eliminated although hovering your mouse over a stop in the eliminated area does give you the notation 'No arrival times available'.

They did split 111 and 115 on the map, including stops on King Dr.

[jajuan]

They did split 111 and 115 on the map, including stops on King Dr.

Yeah they did do that part right, but looking at those two that portion of the old 111 that goes to 112th/Corliss still appears. And one thing about the 11 cutback to Western Brown Line, is that NP can operate the route with only three buses on the weekend with those 20 minute weekend headways.

[artthouwill]

The 1st EB 35th street bus leaving 24th had a driver who had her map in hand while navigating the route. She did fine.

I had just missed a Forest Pk train at Jackson. There was an immediate follower, but it was only going to UIC. The frequency of trains seemed to be high for a Sunday, but that was between UIC and O'Hare.

[jajuan]

The 1st EB 35th street bus leaving 24th had a driver who had her map in hand while navigating the route. She did fine.

I had just missed a Forest Pk train at Jackson. There was an immediate follower, but it was only going to UIC. The frequency of trains seemed to be high for a Sunday, but that was between UIC and O'Hare.

As was expected when this was reported would be happening with the Blue Line between O'Hare and UIC.

[nflyer22]

The 1st EB 35th street bus leaving 24th had a driver who had her map in hand while navigating the route. She did fine.

I had just missed a Forest Pk train at Jackson. There was an immediate follower, but it was only going to UIC. The frequency of trains seemed to be high for a Sunday, but that was between UIC and O'Hare.

Back when Kedzie inherited the #62 from Archer Garage after its closing, many drivers would come out of Pulaski Orange Line station and head out to Karlov then make their way southbound. They didn't know the route stays on 51st, heads to Keeler, before turning left toward south. Likewise, those who were headed north, would head out onto Archer via the 51st/Keeler way!

I thought the above experiences were humorous in the first couple weeks, but they ironed out the wrinkles eventually.