7900-series Nova LFS - Updates

[jajuan]

Well guys, we might want to keep an eye on 77th because there's only 1 active artic (#79) (#4199) and the rest are nothing but 1000s. The are no 7900s active right now.

For now I would have been more surprised if there had been any 7900s out today since at this point with them still being so few they've only been out in service on weekdays.

[garmon757]

For now I would have been more surprised if there had been any 7900s out today since at this point with them still being so few they've only been out in service on weekdays.

Tell me about it. I don't understand why they don't have them out for the weekend though. It doesn't hurt to try but damn.......

[BusHunter]

Well guys, we might want to keep an eye on 77th because there's only 1 active artic (#79) (#4199) and the rest are nothing but 1000s. The are no 7900s active right now.

Yeah, i wish i would've took a rush hour artic count on #79. Would they really take 2 40's for 1 60 footer, that would mean they could take 48 buses counting what #7900's they have. Former picks had as many as 33 40 foot buses on #79 at one time. I don't believe there was more than 15-20 artics at once in the rush.

[jajuan]

Yeah, i wish i would've took a rush hour artic count on #79. Would they really take 2 40's for 1 60 footer, that would mean they could take 48 buses counting what #7900's they have. Former picks had as many as 33 40 foot buses on #79 at one time. I don't believe there was more than 15-20 artics at once in the rush.

Before they started circulating 40 foot buses back on the 79 along with artics I think it might have been a bit more outside of the school runs or other rush hour runs that used a 40 footer. Because even though they had the 79 almost all artic the second half of last year's fall pick and the winter and spring picks, I don't think they increased headways. They pretty much stayed the same if I'm not mistaken. If they did tweak headways, it wasn't by much to have too much effect on how many buses got used on the route at any given time. So in the case of the 79, as far as filling runs went a bus was a bus and they did not implement much of the one artic for two or three 40 foot standards idea that should have died with Huberman's departure from CTA.

[garmon757]

Yeah, i wish i would've took a rush hour artic count on #79. Would they really take 2 40's for 1 60 footer, that would mean they could take 48 buses counting what #7900's they have. Former picks had as many as 33 40 foot buses on #79 at one time. I don't believe there was more than 15-20 artics at once in the rush.

Before they started circulating 40 foot buses back on the 79 along with artics I think it might have been a bit more outside of the school runs or other rush hour runs that used a 40 footer. Because even though they had the 79 almost all artic the second half of last year's fall pick and the winter and spring picks, I don't think they increased headways. They pretty much stayed the same if I'm not mistaken. If they did tweak headways, it wasn't by much to have too much effect on how many buses got used on the route at any given time. So in the case of the 79, as far as filling runs went a bus was a bus and they did not implement much of the one artic for two or three 40 foot standards idea that should have died with Huberman's departure from CTA.

And the fact the #79's artics were extremely dominated by full-time runs. Now I don't know if the 7900s are playing a huge factor in why a lot of 1000s are consistently operating that route but I have a feeling after the Fall picks begins next week, all hell is going to break loose on behalf of 77th's buses.

[Mr.cta85]

Yea I only saw 1 Artic on 79th which was the one I rode on to get to my relief point at stony island cause I had the 30 all day. But after that I saw nothing but 40fters working the 79. Once I pulled into the garage at 103rd I was lookin for more artics that may have come from 77th but didn't see any at the time.

[dann]

The 7900 will probably be stationed on mainly 79th street but we will probably get some NF. One due to losing 30+ artics and the new changes to number 8 which may require more busses then before.

I don't think they'll get anything other than more 7900s if they lose their artics. If 77th is getting more buses (to replace the artics), they better be taking on more routes or beef up their existing routes

[sw4400]

I don't think they'll get anything other than more 7900s if they lose their artics. If 77th is getting more buses (to replace the artics), they better be taking on more routes or beef up their existing routes

Why not? They might as well just take some 6400's from FG since they took all the 1000's from them. 77th is what I would call a "grabber" garage. It just takes what it wants when it needs to.

[Mr.cta85]

Why not? They might as well just take some 6400's from FG since they took all the 1000's from them. 77th is what I would call a "grabber" garage. It just takes what it wants when it needs to.

I wouldn't say take I'm sure some one assigns which bus goes to which garage it's got to be a reason 77th got the 7900's 1st. Even if it doesn't makes sense or if we agree with it or not it has to be a reason maybe Andre knows what goes on behind closed doors lol. If It was up to me I would give new equipment to every garage so every operator would know how to operate all of the equipment instead of having to go to a different garage to learn how.

[jajuan]

Why not? They might as well just take some 6400's from FG since they took all the 1000's from them. 77th is what I would call a "grabber" garage. It just takes what it wants when it needs to.

The larger point is unless there are up to 30-plus 7900s waiting to go in service by next weekend (we don't know yet how far any artic purge at 77th will go), they're going to need something in place at 77th if they do reassign all the 77th artics.

[sw4400]

The larger point is unless there are up to 30-plus 7900s waiting to go in service by next weekend (we don't know yet how far any artic purge at 77th will go), they're going to need something in place at 77th if they do reassign all the 77th artics.

I wasn't actually making a point to 7900's being assigned there. I was referring to how 77th had 6400's down there when there was 30-50-something New Flyers at FG, and they just decided to swap them out for the 6400's there, leaving FG with the oldest roster out of all the bus garages now, and no doubt the highest breakdown percentage of all them. They could've just worked with the roster of 1000's and 6400's had, allowing a even spread of newer equipment at the garages(even though FG had more Novas than New Flyers, at least those 30-50-something buses gave them a bit of age spread anyway).

[jajuan]

I wasn't actually making a point to 7900's being assigned there. I was referring to how 77th had 6400's down there when there was 30-50-something New Flyers at FG, and they just decided to swap them out for the 6400's there, leaving FG with the oldest roster out of all the bus garages now, and no doubt the highest breakdown percentage of all them. They could've just worked with the roster of 1000's and 6400's had, allowing a even spread of newer equipment at the garages(even though FG had more Novas than New Flyers, at least those 30-50-something buses gave them a bit of age spread anyway).

I know and I was agreeing with you that they would have to get more than just any 7900s being delivered currently to fill the gap any artic purge from there would leave. That's why I alluded to the point there aren't 30-some 7900s on CTA property waiting to get set up for revenue service by next weekend.

[Guest]

I wasn't actually making a point to 7900's being assigned there. I was referring to how 77th had 6400's down there when there was 30-50-something New Flyers at FG, and they just decided to swap them out for the 6400's there, leaving FG with the oldest roster out of all the bus garages now, and no doubt the highest breakdown percentage of all them. They could've just worked with the roster of 1000's and 6400's had, allowing a even spread of newer equipment at the garages(even though FG had more Novas than New Flyers, at least those 30-50-something buses gave them a bit of age spread anyway).

Seems like a constant practice for CTA. The agency I believe has an issue towards riders on the NW side. Most of the equipment used on the NW side are older and "hand me downs" on both bus/rail. We all know a majority of new equipment almost always.start at 77th! When was the last time FG or NP were the first garages to receive new equipment??? As I stated before, I think CTA is unfair in the way it distributes its equipment.

[jajuan]

Seems like a constant practice for CTA. The agency I believe has an issue towards riders on the NW side. Most of the equipment used on the NW side are older and "hand me downs" on both bus/rail. We all know a majority of new equipment almost always.start at 77th! When was the last time FG or NP were the first garages to receive new equipment??? As I stated before, I think CTA is unfair in the way it distributes its equipment.

Until we see what garages AFTER 77th get 7900s, you're still prematurely beating a dead horse into the ground.

[garmon757]

Seems like a constant practice for CTA. The agency I believe has an issue towards riders on the NW side. Most of the equipment used on the NW side are older and "hand me downs" on both bus/rail. We all know a majority of new equipment almost always.start at 77th! When was the last time FG or NP were the first garages to receive new equipment??? As I stated before, I think CTA is unfair in the way it distributes its equipment.

Maybe if you take a trip down to 77th/South Shop then you would have a better understanding about the process works with new bus productions. We only have one heavy maintenance shop mate! Don't get me wrong, some of us understand your frustration about this but it's a process that's going to take some time.

[artthouwill]

Seems like a constant practice for CTA. The agency I believe has an issue towards riders on the NW side. Most of the equipment used on the NW side are older and "hand me downs" on both bus/rail. We all know a majority of new equipment almost always.start at 77th! When was the last time FG or NP were the first garages to receive new equipment??? As I stated before, I think CTA is unfair in the way it distributes its equipment.

I'm not going through with this nonsense again,

[BusHunter]

I'm not going through with this nonsense again,

That's cause the issue is still the same. One reaaon the nw side gets the shaft is it has no voice. On the south side you have reverands and everything else to protest on tv. Rahm is not worried about the nw side either. They are not deciding the next election the south side is. Just remember if you're a tourist and want to see how great the cta is just don't go to the nw side.

[ctrabs74]

I wouldn't say take I'm sure some one assigns which bus goes to which garage it's got to be a reason 77th got the 7900's 1st. Even if it doesn't makes sense or if we agree with it or not it has to be a reason maybe Andre knows what goes on behind closed doors lol. If It was up to me I would give new equipment to every garage so every operator would know how to operate all of the equipment instead of having to go to a different garage to learn how.

The only problem with that is that such an idea with a large system like CTA is only effective when you have a large number of buses coming in (such as the 1000's), especially if the goal is to even out the average age of each garage's fleet. I would think it's a lot easier to split an order of 60 buses among four garages which houses about 150-200 buses (as is typically the case in Pittsburgh) than it is to split 300-400 buses among seven garages with much larger amounts of buses required to meet peak requirements.

[ctrabs74]

That's cause the issue is still the same. One reaaon the nw side gets the shaft is it has no voice. On the south side you have reverands and everything else to protest on tv. Rahm is not worried about the nw side either. They are not deciding the next election the south side is. Just remember if you're a tourist and want to see how great the cta is just don't go to the nw side.

The parade of 6400's of varying condition at Jefferson Park are a perfect example.

[BusHunter]

Maybe if you take a trip down to 77th/South Shop then you would have a better understanding about the process works with new bus productions. We only have one heavy maintenance shop mate! Don't get me wrong, some of us understand your frustration about this but it's a process that's going to take some time.

For me it's not the #7900's that bother me, it's the lack of any NF's. CTA could easily send some NF 's to Fg as now complete blocks of buses are rehabbed at 74th and Chicago just about. That has nothing to do with South Shops anymore. It really bothers me when Fg gets a NF only to see it go back to it's garage like it has the plague. 74th received NF's from 77th (#1100's) and they are now running for about a month at least there. It's like they forgot Fg even exists.

[garmon757]

For me it's not the #7900's that bother me, it's the lack of any NF's. CTA could easily send some NF 's to Fg as now complete blocks of buses are rehabbed at 74th and Chicago just about. That has nothing to do with South Shops anymore. It really bothers me when Fg gets a NF only to see it go back to it's garage like it has the plague. 74th received NF's from 77th (#1100's) and they are now running for about a month at least there. It's like they forgot Fg even exists.

In which I understand but 74th only got back #1110-12 in which that's really F'd up! You have to understand that FG got it's 6800s Novas back respectively except #6876-83 (I don't know any god given reason why they still @ 74th) and some of the 1200s that FG had were technically 77th's (#1226-49) but the biggest problem is that the entire fleet is unbalanced (#1161-65 @ 74th before 77th, #1003-04 and #1335-47@ 77th, #1277-82 and #1590-96 @ Kedzie, #1266-71, #1301-34 and #1540-44 @ North Park, #1350 and #1414-29 @ Chicago despite they were part of the original #1330-#1429 format in 2006, and former Chicago's #1472-79 and 74th's #1526-39 @ 103rd. So every garage plays a factor. Not just 77th. Now I can see all garage rosters being straightened out when more 7900s be in service consistently but until then, we just have to sit back and let cta do what they have to do.

[sw4400]

Seems like a constant practice for CTA. The agency I believe has an issue towards riders on the NW side. Most of the equipment used on the NW side are older and "hand me downs" on both bus/rail. We all know a majority of new equipment almost always.start at 77th! When was the last time FG or NP were the first garages to receive new equipment??? As I stated before, I think CTA is unfair in the way it distributes its equipment.

1995: 65 New Flyer D40LF assigned to NP. Don't know about the 5300-Series Flxibles, but I think FG got some brand new. And 6750-6883 were assigned to FG brand new.

I can't really count artics as NP is a artic-heavy route and 75% of the time, gets new artics that are ordered.

[garmon757]

1995: 65 New Flyer D40LF assigned to NP. Don't know about the 5300-Series Flxibles, but I think FG got some brand new. And 6750-6883 were assigned to FG brand new.

I can't really count artics as NP is a artic-heavy route and 75% of the time, gets new artics that are ordered.

#6756-#6883 exact when they infiltrated FG. Oh don't forget that Ballards 5900s only infiltrated Chicago if I'm not mistaking.

[BusHunter]

In which I understand but 74th only got back #1110-12 in which that's really F'd up! You have to understand that FG got it's 6800s Novas back respectively except #6876-83 (I don't know any god given reason why they still @ 74th) and some of the 1200s that FG had were technically 77th's (#1226-49) but the biggest problem is that the entire fleet is unbalanced (#1161-65 @ 74th before 77th, #1003-04 and #1335-47@ 77th, #1277-82 and #1590-96 @ Kedzie, #1266-71, #1301-34 and #1540-44 @ North Park, #1350 and #1414-29 @ Chicago despite they were part of the original #1330-#1429 format in 2006, and former Chicago's #1472-79 and 74th's #1526-39 @ 103rd. So every garage plays a factor. Not just 77th. Now I can see all garage rosters being straightened out when more 7900s be in service consistently but until then, we just have to sit back and let cta do what they have to do.

You're right on that, that we'll just have to wait to see what happens, hopefully we don't have to wait until 74th is fully equipped with all rehabs/newer buses and everyone else is too. Alot of it too resides on 77th has only put 12 #7900's into service when we should be about 133

buses into the order. That order is way behind. Not too much is going to get shook up with 12 buses. Me personally i would take the fleet levels down a little at 77th to force operators to use the #7900 buses 24/7. If they fail then that's good even though it's bad, but if they don't

fail then they have a good bus. They would have something that's valid to report to Nova bus. I'd hate to see 100 buses here and something is wrong with them.

[garmon757]

You're right on that, that we'll just have to wait to see what happens, hopefully we don't have to wait until 74th is fully equipped with all rehabs/newer buses and everyone else is too. Alot of it too resides on 77th has only put 12 #7900's into service when we should be about 133

buses into the order. That order is way behind. Not too much is going to get shook up with 12 buses. Me personally i would take the fleet levels down a little at 77th to force operators to use the #7900 buses 24/7. If they fail then that's good even though it's bad, but if they don't

fail then they have a good bus. They would have something that's valid to report to Nova bus. I'd hate to see 100 buses here and something is wrong with them.

Exactly! I think 77th is well over capacity.