sw4400 Posted April 29, 2014 Report Share Posted April 29, 2014 There at least one new #7900 at south shops, I saw it sitting by the front fence among other buses this morning. It should be 7901 if CTA is getting them numerically. Being 4/29 and given Kevin's statement on his news page that the CTA expects to take regular delivery of the Nova LFS Smart Buses beginning in April and start to put them in service in May. They may have more than just one new bus on property. Inside of South Shops there might be another one(or two). These won't be seen until 5/1 at the earliest, however... and then will they be anywhere else but #65 Grand, or is that going to be their assignment until further notice out of Chicago Garage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pudgym29 Posted April 30, 2014 Report Share Posted April 30, 2014 Well, the #65 Grand runs pretty close to downtown. (I can't complain about being able to get to the Twisted Spoke and|or Rock Bottom Chicago on it. ) But, what would we scribe were it to turn up on route #132 Goose Island Express? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TripleTransit1 Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 It's May!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Which means the first set of these buses will arrive at a CTA garage later this month! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 According to this payment (3rd one down) looks like they paid for another bus? http://vcsearch.transitchicago.com/vendorContractDetail.php?CONTRACT_NUM=C12FT101275135 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sw4400 Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 According to this payment (3rd one down) looks like they paid for another bus? http://vcsearch.transitchicago.com/vendorContractDetail.php?CONTRACT_NUM=C12FT101275135 Looks a little low, don't you think? The first two dated 1/31/14 were for $244,836/ea, which is the cost of 7900, I bet($489,672). The third payment is only $146901.60, which is a little more than half of $244,836. Personally, I wonder if all three of these payments are for 7900. They say the bus costs a $500,000, but with sales taxes and other miscellaneous costs of amenities and such, $636,573.60 could be the sticker price of 7900 alone. CTA might've held the third payment in until they had tested 7900 a bit more. Bus arrived 2/3/14 and underwent behind the scenes tests before being put on #65 Grand. The bus didn't see revenue service until April 9, 2014, as mentioned here and here, approx. 20 days after that smaller payment to Nova Bus went out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted May 1, 2014 Report Share Posted May 1, 2014 According to this payment (3rd one down) looks like they paid for another bus? http://vcsearch.transitchicago.com/vendorContractDetail.php?CONTRACT_NUM=C12FT101275135 The third one down was explained before. It was the 30% second payment on the first bus when CTA inspectors released it for shipment (SP4.1, page 42). ' There apparently have been two 50% first payments on buses (when driveable inside the factory), but no second payment on the second bus. sw had not read the prior posts, including where I had posted the contract terms. And I don't feel like searching for them at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted May 6, 2014 Report Share Posted May 6, 2014 #7900 was not on the #65 this morning, I wonder if the test is over? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nflyer22 Posted May 7, 2014 Report Share Posted May 7, 2014 7900 back on the #65 this morning, so I guess the test continues on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwantae Posted May 7, 2014 Report Share Posted May 7, 2014 7900 back on the #65 this morning, so I guess the test continues on. Hopefully it will be on the route all day because I want to catch it later this afternoon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TripleTransit1 Posted May 9, 2014 Report Share Posted May 9, 2014 When is testing going to be finished? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajuan Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 When is testing going to be finished? It should be wrapping up because the actual deliveries of more are supposed to be starting this month if they stay on that general timeframe they gave the local news media. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sw4400 Posted May 10, 2014 Report Share Posted May 10, 2014 There is a unconfirmed second 7900-Series Nova LFS at South Shops now. Another report here. I can only speculate it's 7901. When this unconfirmed Nova will see service(presumably out of Chicago) is still undetermined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted May 13, 2014 Report Share Posted May 13, 2014 That shot was taken by me Here's another shot of #7900 by cta5658. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajuan Posted May 14, 2014 Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 Here's another shot of #7900 by cta5658. cta 7900 in action.jpg No matter how many times I've seen it already, I'm still surprised that CTA is getting a bus (that's not second-hand) that has rear amber turn signals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TripleTransit1 Posted May 14, 2014 Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 Here's another shot of #7900 by cta5658. cta 7900 in action.jpg *In Jerry Lewis voice* Oh, it looks so good! I still want to ride it! Can CTA PLEASE hurry up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garmon757 Posted May 14, 2014 Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 It just shows that CTA can't ever get anything done in time as of lately. Is it really worth it having #7900 operating #65 five days a week for quite a month now??? Right now this (expletive) is getting beyond senseless but do Claypool cares? Absolutely not.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted May 14, 2014 Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 It just shows that CTA can't ever get anything done in time as of lately. Is it really worth it having #7900 operating #65 five days a week for quite a month now??? Right now this (expletive) is getting beyond senseless but do Claypool cares? Absolutely not.... On the other hand, you don't know what is happening at the assembly plant. One would presume that Nova would want to be paid, if it met any of the contract benchmarks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lothian Posted May 14, 2014 Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 On the other hand, you don't know what is happening at the assembly plant. One would presume that Nova would want to be paid, if it met any of the contract benchmarks. Check the payments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted May 14, 2014 Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 Check the payments. Finally, something new on that front, which you found. 21 more buses* made the 50% threshold some 30 days before May 6. ________ *I rechecked the math based on your later post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted May 14, 2014 Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 Someone said to me that the #7900's will be a month late, as in June. Don't know if that's rumor though or factual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sw4400 Posted May 14, 2014 Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 Finally, something new on that front, which you found. 21 more buses made the 50% threshold some 30 days before May 6. Where do you get 21 from this page? C12FT101275135 NOVA BUS LFS, A Division of Prevost Car US, Inc. 7344 244896.00 06-MAY-14 C12FT101275135 NOVA BUS LFS, A Division of Prevost Car US, Inc. 7345 244896.00 06-MAY-14 1 Bus C12FT101275135 NOVA BUS LFS, A Division of Prevost Car US, Inc. 7346 244896.00 06-MAY-14 C12FT101275135 NOVA BUS LFS, A Division of Prevost Car US, Inc. 7347 244896.00 06-MAY-14 1 Bus C12FT101275135 NOVA BUS LFS, A Division of Prevost Car US, Inc. 7348 244896.00 06-MAY-14 C12FT101275135 NOVA BUS LFS, A Division of Prevost Car US, Inc. 7349 244896.00 06-MAY-14 1 Bus C12FT101275135 NOVA BUS LFS, A Division of Prevost Car US, Inc. 7350 244896.00 06-MAY-14 C12FT101275135 NOVA BUS LFS, A Division of Prevost Car US, Inc. 7351 244896.00 06-MAY-14 1 Bus C12FT101275135 NOVA BUS LFS, A Division of Prevost Car US, Inc. 7352 244896.00 06-MAY-14 C12FT101275135 NOVA BUS LFS, A Division of Prevost Car US, Inc. 7353 244896.00 06-MAY-14 1 Bus C12FT101275135 NOVA BUS LFS, A Division of Prevost Car US, Inc. 7354 244896.00 06-MAY-14 C12FT101275135 NOVA BUS LFS, A Division of Prevost Car US, Inc. 7355 244896.00 06-MAY-14 1 Bus C12FT101275135 NOVA BUS LFS, A Division of Prevost Car US, Inc. 7356 244896.00 06-MAY-14 C12FT101275135 NOVA BUS LFS, A Division of Prevost Car US, Inc. 7357 244896.00 06-MAY-14 1 Bus C12FT101275135 NOVA BUS LFS, A Division of Prevost Car US, Inc. 7358 244896.00 06-MAY-14 C12FT101275135 NOVA BUS LFS, A Division of Prevost Car US, Inc. 7359 244896.00 06-MAY-14 1 Bus C12FT101275135 NOVA BUS LFS, A Division of Prevost Car US, Inc. 7360 244896.00 06-MAY-14 C12FT101275135 NOVA BUS LFS, A Division of Prevost Car US, Inc. 7361 244896.00 06-MAY-14 1 Bus C12FT101275135 NOVA BUS LFS, A Division of Prevost Car US, Inc. 7362 244896.00 06-MAY-14 Blue=Partial Payment I don't see 21 buses partially paid... I see 9 fully paid Novas on this list with the 10th getting partial payment. These buses retail at $500,000/ea. If I'm wrong, show me where and how you come up with 21 from the page I linked to. Invoice 7170 and 7171 are from Nova #7900. I don't know what invoice 7202 is for, as that isn't even a partial payment for one bus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lothian Posted May 14, 2014 Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 I don't see 21 buses partially paid... I see 9 fully paid Novas on this list with the 10th getting partial payment. These buses retail at $500,000/ea. If I'm wrong, show me where and how you come up with 21 from the page I linked to. Invoice 7170 and 7171 are from Nova #7900. I don't know what invoice 7202 is for, as that isn't even a partial payment for one bus. Invoices 7344-7362 are initial payments on 19 buses. The balance will be paid in smaller amounts (e.g. 1st payment of 50% = $245,000; 2nd payment of 30% = $147,000, etc). Invoices 7170 and 7171 are initial payments on 2 buses, invoice 7202 is a second payment on the first bus (#7900 I presume). I think that full payment is only due when the bus is in revenue service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted May 14, 2014 Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 Invoices 7344-7362 are initial payments on 19 buses. The balance will be paid in smaller amounts (e.g. 1st payment of 50% = $245,000; 2nd payment of 30% = $147,000, etc). Invoices 7170 and 7171 are initial payments on 2 buses, invoice 7202 is a second payment on the first bus (#7900 I presume). I think that full payment is only due when the bus is in revenue service. You are absolutely correct. I had posted the contract provisions before, but they might have been missed when the thread was split between the order and deliveries. The provision to which you refer is in this post. The conclusion, which I drew before, is that another 19 buses are driveable at the factory, but have not been released for delivery (at least by April 6). The other two payment stages are in this post. Now, maybe if sw had read those posts before posting............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garmon757 Posted May 14, 2014 Report Share Posted May 14, 2014 On the other hand, you don't know what is happening at the assembly plant. One would presume that Nova would want to be paid, if it met any of the contract benchmarks.You're right, I don't know what's going on out there but that's doesn't define how CTA manages it's payments for up to date busses and trains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajuan Posted May 15, 2014 Report Share Posted May 15, 2014 You're right, I don't know what's going on out there but that's doesn't define how CTA manages it's payments for up to date busses and trains. I think the larger picture Busjack is pointed out is when something doesn't go to plan, CTA management isn't always automatically or immediately at fault or that there is necessarily any fault at all. At least, that's how I understood his above comment about the machinations at the plant level to mean. And trust me, that's the moment any one of us slows down and maybe take time to cool our collective heads as well as rethink the point we made after getting that particular statement from Busjack, because as we all know he is no big fan of how CTA gets operated. Those rare moments he says don't be so quick to blame CTA management for something taking a bit longer than we expected is a signal not all moving parts are being considered. As for the rest of your point about CTA's penchant for keeping buses and railcars around longer than the recommended standard life, another thing you also have to consider is the federal and Illinois state governments don't always have their acts together in having a current federal transportation bill and/or state capital plan in place to help fund the purchase of new buses and railcars to replace any aging ones CTA has on the roster during those moments CTA isn't borrowing against its capital funds to pay for its operations side of things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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