artthouwill Posted April 20, 2017 Report Share Posted April 20, 2017 Looking at the ATS today, they are making progress with the extension from the E Lot to the F Lot/Parking garage/ Consolidated Rental Facility. The structure from both the E Lot and F Lot extends to Manheim Rd, but the structure hasn't been built across Manheim to connect the two. I suppose when the facility opens in 2019, we will see some new ATS trains as well. The current cars have been in service since 1993 or 1994. What will happen to the current rental parking lots once the new parking garage/ rental facility opens? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 It supposed to be all incorporated into the building. Don't ask me where all the space for the rental cars are? The objective is to take all the rental car buses away from the airport. I believe the garage is supposed to be multi level, so that may be where they gain the space. They will have to have more rail cars because by the time you add the rental car agency traffic they may have to increase service by 5X at least. They claim the rental car agency lots will become remote parking that was lost at the north end. I don't see how they will have all the fuel islands and maintenance facilities at the north end though. Knowing how this city operates I wouldn't doubt it will be one universal tank and they will buy the fuel from the city at the city's price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 1 hour ago, BusHunter said: It supposed to be all incorporated into the building Newsradio 780/105.9 article from 2015 on this.Among other things it said is that all rental cars will be in the building and no shuttles will be allowed, but customers will have to use the ATS. I wondered what the bridge construction was over Mannheim Road, but the two of you explained it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 I just don't see how a 3 car ats train is going to handle the crowds. It gets packed now and adding all the rental agency traffic could reasonable take you to a 5 or even 6 car train. Only other option is to decrease the headways. Thats going to prove to be the weakest link here. While they claim they can expand the parking garage to 9 floors, they don't outline how they could expand the ats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artthouwill Posted April 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 40 minutes ago, BusHunter said: I just don't see how a 3 car ats train is going to handle the crowds. It gets packed now and adding all the rental agency traffic could reasonable take you to a 5 or even 6 car train. Only other option is to decrease the headways. Thats going to prove to be the weakest link here. The stations can only handle 3 cars . The peak headway is 4 minutes. I suppose you could get it down to 3 minutes. What I don't see is how ALL rental companies will fit in the parking facility. Some companies are on Manheim . Will they have to move too? Then there's storage. In Minneapolis the rental companies had off site storage, fueling and wash facilities with shuttle drivers shuttling between the main garage and the off site facilities. The lower level of the main garage also had wash facilities for the rental companies that were housed in the parking garage. I can't tell but it doesn't appear to be the case here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artthouwill Posted April 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 7 hours ago, Busjack said: Newsradio 780/105.9 article from 2015 on this.Among other things it said is that all rental cars will be in the building and no shuttles will be allowed, but customers will have to use the ATS. I wondered what the bridge construction was over Mannheim Road, but the two of you explained it. The span is now built over northbound Manheim Rd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 21 minutes ago, artthouwill said: The stations can only handle 3 cars . The peak headway is 4 minutes. I suppose you could get it down to 3 minutes. What I don't see is how ALL rental companies will fit in the parking facility. Some companies are on Manheim . Will they have to move too? Then there's storage. In Minneapolis the rental companies had off site storage, fueling and wash facilities with shuttle drivers shuttling between the main garage and the off site facilities. The lower level of the main garage also had wash facilities for the rental companies that were housed in the parking garage. I can't tell but it doesn't appear to be the case here. The article claims that midway already has this, (im not familiar with midway however) so it seems to me that this project is basically a clone of that. It would appear the wash facilities will be universal also. The city has already benefitted off this project pushing the remote parking closer and forcing those who would have parked in the cheaper lot to pay more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artthouwill Posted April 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 1 hour ago, BusHunter said: The article claims that midway already has this, (im not familiar with midway however) so it seems to me that this project is basically a clone of that. It would appear the wash facilities will be universal also. The city has already benefitted off this project pushing the remote parking closer and forcing those who would have parked in the cheaper lot to pay more. At ORD, they will need the 5 additional floors. The irony is that the rental companies that were at MDW used to be in the main garage. Now shuttle bus service is needed between the terminal and the Consolidated Rental car facility on 55th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted April 21, 2017 Report Share Posted April 21, 2017 2 hours ago, artthouwill said: What I don't see is how ALL rental companies will fit in the parking facility. Some companies are on Manheim . Will they have to move too? Having once been associated with the business, the answer is that only the agencies that have franchises from the city are on airport grounds and are allowed to have booths in the airport and cars parked there. Maybe the article was over inclusive, in that the ones on Bessie Coleman Drive won't be allowed to have shuttles but have to move to the garage, but I don't know what rights something like Enterprise (on Devon Ave.) has. Heck, I remember when it was no big deal when the rent a cars were parked in the area that is now the hotel and CTA station. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artthouwill Posted May 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 30, 2017 I was behind a remote parking lot shuttle bus today. I didn't realize that those buses are ElDorados. Obviously they aren't Axxesses and they aren't EZ. Riders (I assume EZ Riders don't come in a 40'option). So what are they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pace831 Posted December 19, 2017 Report Share Posted December 19, 2017 I saw one of the new ATS cars on a flatbed at 9:45 this morning, going west on 80/94 at Cline. It is royal blue with ORD in white letters on the side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTRSP1900-CTA3200 Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 10 hours ago, Pace831 said: I saw one of the new ATS cars on a flatbed at 9:45 this morning, going west on 80/94 at Cline. It is royal blue with ORD in white letters on the side. It will probably stand out in the shop given those colors contrasting with the original red cars. I wonder who is manufacturing the cars... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rl12383 Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 56 minutes ago, Busjack said: That doesn't come up on a search. The only thing indicated is that TranSystems is in charge of the ATS project to the new consolidated rental car building and parking garage. Manufactured by Bombardier - INNOVIA APM 256 cars https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/construction/contracts/125.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTRSP1900-CTA3200 Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 23 minutes ago, rl12383 said: Manufactured by Bombardier - INNOVIA APM 256 cars https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/construction/contracts/125.pdf Thanks. That was actually my guess too since they sold the same product to Taipei for their metro line that uses the same VAL 256s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 5 hours ago, rl12383 said: Manufactured by Bombardier - INNOVIA APM 256 cars https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/construction/contracts/125.pdf Slightly less verbose source: Bombardier release. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTRSP1900-CTA3200 Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 29 minutes ago, Busjack said: Slightly less verbose source: Bombardier release. Much easier to read though, thanks. 36 cars, wow, talk about a fleet expansion. They only use 12 of their 15 cars right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted December 20, 2017 Report Share Posted December 20, 2017 20 minutes ago, MTRSP1900-CTA3200 said: 36 cars, wow, talk about a fleet expansion. They only use 12 of their 15 cars right now. Indicated that not only replacements, but needed for the extension to the consolidated rental car and parking building. Also looks like rental company buses are being banned, so have to pick up the slack. However, since the source @rl12383 cited said a total of 12 3 car married units, I wonder how that enters into your math. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artthouwill Posted December 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2017 On 12/20/2017 at 3:58 PM, Busjack said: Indicated that not only replacements, but needed for the extension to the consolidated rental car and parking building. Also looks like rental company buses are being banned, so have to pick up the slack. However, since the source @rl12383 cited said a total of 12 3 car married units, I wonder how that enters into your math. Usually they run 5 two car sets or 4 three car sets. Since all of the ATS stations can only berth 3 cars maximum, I can only imagine them running a maximum of 6 three car set's or 18 cars once the expansion takes place, assuming 4 minute intervals. I would imagine 6 to 9 cars available as spares. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted December 24, 2017 Report Share Posted December 24, 2017 8 minutes ago, artthouwill said: , I can only imagine them running a maximum of 6 three car set's or 18 cars once the expansion takes place, assuming 4 minute intervals. I would imagine 6 to 9 cars available as spares. Again, had you taken into account the extension to the rental car facility? 18 spares is too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artthouwill Posted December 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2017 1 hour ago, Busjack said: Again, had you taken into account the extension to the rental car facility? 18 spares is too much. The extension is only a 1/2 mile from the current terminal. That amounts to one or two extra trains at most unless you condense headway to every 2 minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artthouwill Posted January 29, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2018 Since summer 2017, the ATS has been shutting down weeknights from 10;30p until 4:30a.m the following morning. Now the system shuts down at 6;45p.m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bjorn Posted January 29, 2018 Report Share Posted January 29, 2018 Will intercity buses be moved to the new parking ramp from the existing Bus/Shuttle Center? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artthouwill Posted January 30, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2018 2 hours ago, Bjorn said: Will intercity buses be moved to the new parking ramp from the existing Bus/Shuttle Center? Nope 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rl12383 Posted February 13, 2018 Report Share Posted February 13, 2018 A picture of one of the new ATS cars is on the website of one of the construction managers for the upgrade (R.M Chin & Associates). You can find it here: https://www.rmchin.com/portfolios/ohare-airport-transit-system/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artthouwill Posted May 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2018 ATS at O'Hare is completely shut down today. All uses are serving all terminals. Before today, the buses were supplementing ATS service . Needless to say, Terminal 5 is total chaos and mass confusion . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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