7000-series - Delivery & Updates

[artthouwill]

1 hour ago, wayfaringrob said:

7119, 7120, 7021, and 7022 in service together on run 119 today.

That adds up to 15 eight car consists of 7000s.  I don't know if CTA would actually do this,  but now that the DNC is near, now would be a great time to run all of the 7000s or as many as possible.   If CTA is planning to showcase its 8350s bus series, why not showcase the new 7000s?  

[Mr.NewFlyer1279]

10 minutes ago, artthouwill said:

That adds up to 15 eight car consists of 7000s.  I don't know if CTA would actually do this,  but now that the DNC is near, now would be a great time to run all of the 7000s or as many as possible.   If CTA is planning to showcase its 8350s bus series, why not showcase the new 7000s?  

the cars are up to 7130 at rosemont, i believe 7131-40 are at skokie 

[artthouwill]

1 hour ago, Mr.NewFlyer1279 said:

the cars are up to 7130 at rosemont, i believe 7131-40 are at skokie 

The more the merrier.   At this slow pace,  the 9000s may start testing before delivery of the 7000s is complete  

[Busjack]

25 minutes ago, artthouwill said:

The more the merrier.   At this slow pace,  the 9000s may start testing before delivery of the 7000s is complete  

Although CTA was not transparent about it, I think that's the intent. If RLE is now supposed to be complete by 2030 and will need a minimum of 84 additional cars (maybe 100 if the Red Line goes to 10 car trains, in which CTA would also need the other expansion cars), at this rate te CRRC contract couldn't take care of it, unless the assumption (which a lot of you guys have) is that CTA is going to keep 2600s until 2035 or so. At some point before RLE goes into service, CTA will have to get 7000s and 9000s simultaneously.

[Bus1883]

Today #7122 was headcar the headlights weren’t working so the tailights where instead I’ve noticing many setup issues on the 7000s lately

[wayfaringrob]

Spotted a glimpse of 7129 in service today, implying 7130 was there with it 🙂 I keep thinking spotting a new high will get boring, yet when I do, it's a bit delightful.

[Busjack]

10 hours ago, wayfaringrob said:

Spotted a glimpse of 7129 in service today, implying 7130 was there with it 🙂 I keep thinking spotting a new high will get boring, yet when I do, it's a bit delightful.

Unless there is something stashed or unseen, it doesn't look like they'll get to 7200 by the end of the year.😪

[artthouwill]

27 minutes ago, Busjack said:

Unless there is something stashed or unseen, it doesn't look like they'll get to 7200 by the end of the year.😪

Heck they might not make it to 7160 by year's end.   Unless there' are some stashed or hidden cars, getting to 7150 by the end of the year could be a challenge ( though I would like to think that should be able to happen).

[Mr.NewFlyer1279]

4 hours ago, artthouwill said:

Heck they might not make it to 7160 by year's end.   Unless there' are some stashed or hidden cars, getting to 7150 by the end of the year could be a challenge ( though I would like to think that should be able to happen).

#7149-7150 are at skokie.

[artthouwill]

9 minutes ago, Mr.NewFlyer1279 said:

#7149-7150 are at skokie.

That's nice.  Are they being delivered in numerical order?  

They might actually get to 7160 then, but I agree with @Busjack that they won't get to 7200 by the end of the year.

Right now the Blue Line should be dominated by 7000s and 3200s  with some 2600s mixed in.  

[Mr.NewFlyer1279]

7 minutes ago, artthouwill said:

That's nice.  Are they being delivered in numerical order?  

They might actually get to 7160 then, but I agree with @Busjack that they won't get to 7200 by the end of the year.

Right now the Blue Line should be dominated by 7000s and 3200s  with some 2600s mixed in.  

i believe so. Rosemont yard is nothing but 7000’s from what i saw the other day compared to des plaines having the 32’s and 26’s.

[artthouwill]

On 9/19/2024 at 3:10 PM, Mr.NewFlyer1279 said:

i believe so. Rosemont yard is nothing but 7000’s from what i saw the other day compared to des plaines having the 32’s and 26’s.

Forest Park Yard was full of 2600s and 3200s yesterday.   I don't know how many 7000s were out yesterday but around early afternoon I only spotted 3.   After 4 or 5 northbound 2500/3200s passed at Jackson,  a 7000 Series train came but was only going to UIC.   I boarded the next train to Forest Park.   I was able to see that 7000 Series train to UIC heading into UIC to start its trip back to O'Hare.   His follower was also a 7000 series train abd there was one more at Austin.  I don't know if there were any more 7000 Series trains that short turned at UIC,  but the next two trains to arrive at Forest Park were also 2600/3200s.

One would think that XTA would run as many 7000s as possible.  Maybe they are trying to keep the mileage down somewhat so there's not a big discrepancy between the oldest and newest cars.    

[Sam92]

1 hour ago, artthouwill said:

Forest Park Yard was full of 2600s and 3200s yesterday.   I don't know how many 7000s were out yesterday but around early afternoon I only spotted 3.   After 4 or 5 northbound 2500/3200s passed at Jackson,  a 7000 Series train came but was only going to UIC.   I boarded the next train to Forest Park.   I was able to see that 7000 Series train to UIC heading into UIC to start its trip back to O'Hare.   His follower was also a 7000 series train abd there was one more at Austin.  I don't know if there were any more 7000 Series trains that short turned at UIC,  but the next two trains to arrive at Forest Park were also 2600/3200s.

One would think that XTA would run as many 7000s as possible.  Maybe they are trying to keep the mileage down somewhat so there's not a big discrepancy between the oldest and newest cars.    

If most are based at Rosemont then you might need to be east/north of UIC to get a real picture of how much are running. 150 cars on the blue line is still a small percentage (30-40%) plus if you're checking by forest Park that cuts your chances of seeing 7000s down to maybe 15% with the turnbacks 

[Busjack]

4 hours ago, artthouwill said:

One would think that XTA would run as many 7000s as possible.  Maybe they are trying to keep the mileage down somewhat so there's not a big discrepancy between the oldest and newest cars.    

You have to look at the run numbers, 100 for Rosemont and 200 for Forest Park. As has been indicated above, the 7000s are out of Rosemont, and thus, as @Sam92 states, the odds of seeing them are higher north of UIC. To run straight 7000s, CTA would have to shut down Forest Park terminal.

Also, to reinforce what @Sam92 said, only time (other than midnight to 7 a.m.) there is close odds west of UIC is during the weekday rush hour, when 3 of 4  trains go west of UIC; rest of the time is 1 of 2 (timetable).

[Sam92]

1 hour ago, Busjack said:

You have to look at the run numbers, 100 for Rosemont and 200 for Forest Park. As has been indicated above, the 7000s are out of Rosemont, and thus, as @Sam92 states, the odds of seeing them are higher north of UIC. To run straight 7000s, CTA would have to shut down Forest Park terminal.

 

If you're saying 7000s would only show up as 100 run numbers that wouldn't be a reliable way to figure what's coming. A Rosemont operator could leave O'Hare in a set of 7000s but a Forest Park operator can be the next guy out to take over his train and leave while he takes his layover. You'll even see 200s on UIC runs. You're right about having to run all service from Rosemont though if they want to do all 7000s on some type of basis. I remember the red line had a similar ratio of 5000s received during the shutdown and weekends were ran with all 5000s on the SSM. I can't remember if they were all Howard assigned or split between Ashland and Howard

[artthouwill]

4 minutes ago, Sam92 said:

If you're saying 7000s would only show up as 100 run numbers that wouldn't be a reliable way to figure what's coming. A Rosemont operator could leave O'Hare in a set of 7000s but a Forest Park operator can be the next guy out to take over his train and leave while he takes his layover. You'll even see 200s on UIC runs. You're right about having to run all service from Rosemont though if they want to do all 7000s on some type of basis. I remember the red line had a similar ratio of 5000s received during the shutdown and weekends were ran with all 5000s on the SSM. I can't remember if they were all Howard assigned or split between Ashland and Howard

I never said run all 7000s but I am saying they could run more than they currently do.   Is the goal to keep the mileage down or is the goal to keep them out of Forest Park Yard?   At some point they will have to store some there.

[Sam92]

43 minutes ago, artthouwill said:

I never said run all 7000s but I am saying they could run more than they currently do.   Is the goal to keep the mileage down or is the goal to keep them out of Forest Park Yard?   At some point they will have to store some there.

We know you never said run them exclusively lol. I was saying since you tend to ride the forest Park side you got maybe a 20% shot at seeing a 7000 over there compared to if you were around Logan since Rosemont is the yard recieving all the cars. I bet east of UIC there are more 7000s out. 

[Busjack]

1 hour ago, Sam92 said:

If you're saying 7000s would only show up as 100 run numbers that wouldn't be a reliable way to figure what's coming. A Rosemont operator could leave O'Hare in a set of 7000s but a Forest Park operator can be the next guy out to take over his train and leave while he takes his layover. You'll even see 200s on UIC runs. You're right about having to run all service from Rosemont though if they want to do all 7000s on some type of basis. I remember the red line had a similar ratio of 5000s received during the shutdown and weekends were ran with all 5000s on the SSM. I can't remember if they were all Howard assigned or split between Ashland and Howard

The question I would have on that (which I suppose only someone in rail operations can answer)  is whether there would be a training problem, as the 7000s obviously operate differently (regenerative braking, for instance), but the inventory is all at Rosemont.

I don't think the Red Line shutdown is a fair analogy, because obviously nothing was coming out of 98th, and since the Green Line was already all 5000s, it wouldn't have made any difference if Red Line Howard Englewood trips started at 63rd-Ashand. The only question would be where the 300 cars that got the Red Ashland-63rd roll signs were stored.

[Sam92]

2 hours ago, Busjack said:

The question I would have on that (which I suppose only someone in rail operations can answer)  is whether there would be a training problem, as the 7000s obviously operate differently (regenerative braking, for instance), but the inventory is all at Rosemont.

 

Both yards are trained cause again there could be a forest Park operator waiting to take over at the end for a return trip. 

 

2 hours ago, Busjack said:

I don't think the Red Line shutdown is a fair analogy, because obviously nothing was coming out of 98th, and since the Green Line was already all 5000s, it wouldn't have made any difference if Red Line Howard Englewood trips started at 63rd-Ashand. The only question would be where the 300 cars that got the Red Ashland-63rd roll signs were stored.

 

5 hours ago, Busjack said:

 To run straight 7000s, CTA would have to shut down Forest Park terminal.

 

Its a somewhat fair comparison. Remember, 61st was technically 98th thus storing red line equipment not green (which used 61st). as you correctly stated the only way to run exclusively 7000s would be to run from one yard which makes me question 1: has that been done before? and 2:with the red line having the same roughly 40% new cars received and having done exclusively new cars during certain times does that mean red line had 5000s at both yards at that time or were they all at Howard which would mean yes for my first question and having Rosemont handle all weekend service with 7000s only can rest the 2600s

 

[Mr.NewFlyer1279]

4 hours ago, Sam92 said:

can't remember if they were all Howard assigned or split between Ashland and Howard

during that shutdown all the Ashland branch red line cars were out of howard. 

[wayfaringrob]

I'm skeptical that all of the in-service 7000s really are all at Rosemont now, and that Rosemont is 100% 7000. As recently as the O'Hare 40th event, there seemed to be a balanced mix in the yard, and I've spotted 7000s in FP yard as well, so this must be a very new arrangement if so.

As some have noted, run numbers are still not a reliable or even half good indicator. 1XX or 2XX appear on both 7000 or 26/3200 consists - as an anecdotal aside, the Spirit of Chicago-wrapped 2600 pair was in service on run 100-something today.

[Bus1883]

35 minutes ago, wayfaringrob said:

I'm skeptical that all of the in-service 7000s really are all at Rosemont now, and that Rosemont is 100% 7000. As recently as the O'Hare 40th event, there seemed to be a balanced mix in the yard, and I've spotted 7000s in FP yard as well, so this must be a very new arrangement if so.

As some have noted, run numbers are still not a reliable or even half good indicator. 1XX or 2XX appear on both 7000 or 26/3200 consists - as an anecdotal aside, the Spirit of Chicago-wrapped 2600 pair was in service on run 100-something today.

There are still 2600s/3200s at rosemont there are more in FP

[Busjack]

2 hours ago, Mr.NewFlyer1279 said:

during that shutdown all the Ashland branch red line cars were out of howard. 

Thanks, that answers that..

1 hour ago, wayfaringrob said:

I'm skeptical that all of the in-service 7000s really are all at Rosemont now, and that Rosemont is 100% 7000.

 

You fell into he logical trap that something does not imply the converse. As @Bus1883 pointed out above, "Rosemont is" not "100% 7000," nor could it be, as there are approximately  130 in service, and the 2-year old car assignment sheet shows a capacity of 204 cars (it's probably more now).

The assertion, to contradict @artthouwill's conspiracy theory on not seeing only 7000s west of UIC, was only that Forest Park didn't have 7000s. With that sheet saying that the total capacity of the Blue Line was 408 cars, that sure seems to be the case.

 

[artthouwill]

8 minutes ago, Busjack said:

Thanks, that answers that..

You fell into he logical trap that something does not imply the converse. As @Bus1883 pointed out above, "Rosemont is" not "100% 7000," nor could it be, as there are approximately  130 in service, and the 2-year old car assignment sheet shows a capacity of 204 cars (it's probably more now).

The assertion, to contradict @artthouwill's conspiracy theory on not seeing only 7000s west of UIC, was only that Forest Park didn't have 7000s. With that sheet saying that the total capacity of the Blue Line was 408 cars, that sure seems to be the case.

 

I've never said that.  If you read my post, I said after the short turn 7000 series car, his immediate follower ( obviously from Forest Park) was also a 7000 series train with one more EB 7000 series train at Austin.  I noted that there weren't 4 7000s in the Forest Park Yard.  My only point was that CTA could rub more 7000s than they are currently running.   It doesn't really matter if all 130 7000s are at Rosemont.   If they ran half of them, that's 8 consists.  They probably could run more.   

I said at some point Forest Park Yard will eventually  hold 7000s at some point. 

[Sam92]

10 hours ago, artthouwill said:

I've never said that.  If you read my post, I said after the short turn 7000 series car, his immediate follower ( obviously from Forest Park) was also a 7000 series train with one more EB 7000 series train at Austin.  I noted that there weren't 4 7000s in the Forest Park Yard.  My only point was that CTA could rub more 7000s than they are currently running.   It doesn't really matter if all 130 7000s are at Rosemont.   If they ran half of them, that's 8 consists.  They probably could run more.   

I said at some point Forest Park Yard will eventually  hold 7000s at some point. 

I get what you're saying trust me. And for all we know Rosemont can be putting out all of the 7000s it has but again theyre still a relatively small percentage (30%) of the fleet so if you've only been able to check on the Congress branch (which has 50% of the service) you're gonna have maybe a 15-30% chance of seeing a 7000 compared to a 30-50% chance of seeing one at Jackson or anywhere north of the short turn cause majority of whatever they're running is going to stay east of Halsted