Busjack Posted November 16, 2023 Report Share Posted November 16, 2023 Yellow Line train collided with a yellow CTA S-500 north of Howard, approximately under the loop track, per coverage on ABC7. Front of the train is crushed. 12 injured, ambulances lined up on Chicago Ave. in Evanston. Update: web link. Hastily posted* alerts: Service Disruption: Red Line service has been temporarily suspended between Howard and Thorndale due to fire department activity. Service Suspended: Service on the Yellow and Purple Lines have been temporarily suspended due to fire department activity _______________ *Someone should tell them that 205 is not an alternative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrethebusman99 Posted November 16, 2023 Report Share Posted November 16, 2023 I understand why Yellow out. But why Red? Can't cross over south of howard into SB side to turn back? Is the system getting this inflexible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted November 16, 2023 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2023 On 11/16/2023 at 5:42 PM, andrethebusman99 said: I understand why Yellow out. But why Red? Can't cross over south of howard into SB side to turn back? Is the system getting this inflexible? Expand Fire departments are all over the scene and the power was turned off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted November 16, 2023 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2023 Car 5599. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajuan Posted November 16, 2023 Report Share Posted November 16, 2023 On 11/16/2023 at 5:36 PM, Busjack said: Yellow Line train collided with a yellow CTA S-500 north of Howard, approximately under the loop track, per coverage on ABC7. Front of the train is crushed. 12 injured, ambulances lined up on Chicago Ave. in Evanston. Update: web link. Hastily posted* alerts: Service Disruption: Red Line service has been temporarily suspended between Howard and Thorndale due to fire department activity. Service Suspended: Service on the Yellow and Purple Lines have been temporarily suspended due to fire department activity _______________ *Someone should tell them that 205 is not an alternative. Expand Yeah I was just reading the alert on CTA's site and saying wait the 205 does not exist anymore. Hopefully the injuries of the passengers and CTA employees involved were not too severe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sw4400 Posted November 16, 2023 Report Share Posted November 16, 2023 I don't think that'll buffer out.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted November 16, 2023 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2023 On 11/16/2023 at 5:52 PM, jajuan said: Hopefully the injuries of the passengers and CTA employees involved were not too severe. Expand Report was 2 critical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajuan Posted November 16, 2023 Report Share Posted November 16, 2023 On 11/16/2023 at 5:56 PM, Busjack said: Report was 2 critical. Expand CBS2 just updated that to 3 critical. 19 injuries in total. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted November 16, 2023 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2023 On 11/16/2023 at 5:52 PM, jajuan said: Yeah I was just reading the alert on CTA's site and saying wait the 205 does not exist anymore. Hopefully the injuries of the passengers and CTA employees involved were not too severe. Expand The alert has now been revised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strictures Posted November 16, 2023 Report Share Posted November 16, 2023 The dummies at Channel 7 say it happened at 7500 Paulina, when in fact that section of track is in Evanston, north of Howard. I guess Chicago Fire Dept responds due to their larger size & abilities, not Evanston's Fire Dept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javi75 Posted November 16, 2023 Report Share Posted November 16, 2023 On 11/16/2023 at 5:52 PM, sw4400 said: I don't think that'll buffer out.... Expand What do you think will be the fate of 5599? Would this go down as the 5000s first major accident? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artthouwill Posted November 16, 2023 Report Share Posted November 16, 2023 CTA is going to have to answer some questions. Mist obvious is why the snow removal equipment was on the tracks? Is there anything, either vocally or by cab signal, that could have alerted the operator to stop because there was equipment on the tracks? Did CTA dispatch alert Yellow Line operators that crews would be on the right of way,? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam92 Posted November 17, 2023 Report Share Posted November 17, 2023 On 11/16/2023 at 11:55 PM, artthouwill said: CTA is going to have to answer some questions. Mist obvious is why the snow removal equipment was on the tracks? Is there anything, either vocally or by cab signal, that could have alerted the operator to stop because there was equipment on the tracks? Did CTA dispatch alert Yellow Line operators that crews would be on the right of way,? Expand That's what I'm curious about. The damage looks high speed but I thought the yellow line would have slowed down by that point enough to not have that much damage. Then as far as signals; isn't a vehicle being on a track segment trigger the block to show up as "occupied" (red or yellow aspect advising to encounter a train ahead?) I gotta reread how this works but I'm at ll questioning a lot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bus1883 Posted November 17, 2023 Report Share Posted November 17, 2023 On 11/16/2023 at 10:10 PM, Javi75 said: What do you think will be the fate of 5599? Would this go down as the 5000s first major accident? Expand More than likely it’ll be out for a while if the frame is damaged then I think it’s done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted November 17, 2023 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2023 On 11/16/2023 at 11:55 PM, artthouwill said: Did CTA dispatch alert Yellow Line operators that crews would be on the right of way,? Expand NBC5 said there were some radio alerts from the tower. But until the NTSB investigates, it's too early to tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bus1883 Posted November 17, 2023 Report Share Posted November 17, 2023 #5599-5600 may be out for a while… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sw4400 Posted November 17, 2023 Report Share Posted November 17, 2023 On 11/17/2023 at 4:55 AM, Bus1883 said: #5599-5600 may be out for a while… Expand I would surmise 5599 will be retired. Pretty sure there's frame damage there. Unit is a.... 2011 or 2012 model? 2013 at the most. So, 10-12 years old, I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bus1883 Posted November 17, 2023 Report Share Posted November 17, 2023 On 11/17/2023 at 5:00 AM, sw4400 said: I would surmise 5599 will be retired. Pretty sure there's frame damage there. Unit is a.... 2011 or 2012 model? 2013 at the most. So, 10-12 years old, I believe. Expand 2014 model to be exact. It is about the same age as the oldest 7900s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrethebusman99 Posted November 17, 2023 Report Share Posted November 17, 2023 What caught my eye was "7 CTA employees involved". I would think three, maybe four on the snowfighter? Was this a training day for the snowfighter? Was this a training day on the Yellow line? Also, this was a pretty decent speed hit, though the snowthrower seems to have survived pretty good. Would this imply the 5000s aren't all that crash resistant? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitowndude84 Posted November 17, 2023 Report Share Posted November 17, 2023 Regarding 5599 I'm thinking it will be scraped for parts or used for training ?? We ALL know there will be a LONG "Hold" while CTA/NTSB investigates and there after!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajuan Posted November 17, 2023 Report Share Posted November 17, 2023 On 11/16/2023 at 11:55 PM, artthouwill said: CTA is going to have to answer some questions. Mist obvious is why the snow removal equipment was on the tracks? Is there anything, either vocally or by cab signal, that could have alerted the operator to stop because there was equipment on the tracks? Did CTA dispatch alert Yellow Line operators that crews would be on the right of way,? Expand Well given that this is the week before Thanksgiving that we're talking about and Chicago is known for having snows early, the snow thrower being out for training would not be too far out of the realm of possibilities of reasons why it was out. The larger questions to sort out in the coming investigation are whether signals were in working order, whether the signals are spaced apart far enough, whether human error played a role, and whether the Yellow Line train was coming through too fast. On the commuter side of this, Red and Purple Line services are back to normal because of the power restoration. However, Yellow Line service may be down for a while as NTSB continues its initial investigation into what happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artthouwill Posted November 17, 2023 Report Share Posted November 17, 2023 On 11/17/2023 at 12:52 AM, Busjack said: NBC5 said there were some radio alerts from the tower. But until the NTSB investigates, it's too early to tell. Expand CBS2 played audio they said came from the Control Tower warning about the equipment in the tracks. The warnings were issued about an hour before the accident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam92 Posted November 17, 2023 Report Share Posted November 17, 2023 On 11/17/2023 at 5:00 AM, sw4400 said: I would surmise 5599 will be retired. Pretty sure there's frame damage there. Unit is a.... 2011 or 2012 model? 2013 at the most. So, 10-12 years old, I believe. Expand I mean it's still got a good 12-13 years left of life FTA wise if it was a bus then yeah it would be a goner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted November 17, 2023 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2023 On 11/17/2023 at 3:24 PM, Sam92 said: I mean it's still got a good 12-13 years left of life FTA wise if it was a bus then yeah it would be a goner Expand If the frame is significantly damaged, CTA can't run it. Probably will sit at Shops until can dispose. 5600 will probably wait for another mismatch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam92 Posted November 17, 2023 Report Share Posted November 17, 2023 On 11/17/2023 at 3:56 PM, Busjack said: If the frame is significantly damaged, CTA can't run it. Probably will sit at Shops until can dispose. 5600 will probably wait for another mismatch. Expand Well I'm not a structural expert but it looks like only the front was damaged. When that 4300 got hit head on you could see the frame bulged out from the shockwave but this is a far overhead shot of 5599 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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