twyztdmynd Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 Okay, the Nabi 60' are built poor, the compobus was short lived. You run Cta for a day. What would you buy. I am not a low floor fan. I think we whould look at MCI's DL4505's. High floor, Lifts, and heavy duty suspension. Hey, if they could last NY/NJ transits, they'll last here, P.S. No bring backs.. cause we all know NewLook 5307's were the best... :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 Okay, the Nabi 60' are built poor, the compobus was short lived. You run Cta for a day. What would you buy. I am not a low floor fan. I think we whould look at MCI's DL4505's. High floor, Lifts, and heavy duty suspension. Hey, if they could last NY/NJ transits, they'll last here, P.S. No bring backs.. cause we all know NewLook 5307's were the best... I would lean more towards a patch job. Meaning buying used equipment from other agencies. Sorry but theres now way on earth I would deny or resist a 5307 back in my fleet! I would buy west coast equipment where the buses are in much better shape such as Los Angeles RTS and New Flyer D40HF. San Diego, buy some NF D60HF and Gillig Phantoms. San Fran, NF D40s and 60s. Utah, I would pick up some MCI Classics from UTA. New York City, pick up some more RTSs and some Orions. Notice, Im a west coast bus fan! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksone44 Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 Okay, the Nabi 60' are built poor, the compobus was short lived. You run Cta for a day. What would you buy. I am not a low floor fan. I think we whould look at MCI's DL4505's. High floor, Lifts, and heavy duty suspension. Hey, if they could last NY/NJ transits, they'll last here, P.S. No bring backs.. cause we all know NewLook 5307's were the best... I would buy more New Flyer D40LF's, DE40LF's, and DE60LF's..... for consistency sake :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVTArider Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 Okay, the Nabi 60' are built poor, the compobus was short lived. You run Cta for a day. What would you buy. Totally a "fantasy fleet" here, and funded by unlimited money. Not ever really happening of course but I would go with a few Urbino 15s, a few Urbino 18s, some MAN Lion Classics, whatever MCI/Nova Classics I could get my hands on and have the best lifts installed for reliability, totally rebuild/overhaul the 6000 series Flxs and a few TMCs, and get a few Orion VIINGs, RTS extremes, and a couple Gillig BRTs (just to see how they hold up) to add variety with the NF LFs and Novas. Also I think I would need a personal security guard to keep Busjack, Trainman, and others from trying to throw me out of office for running such a ridiculously mixed up fleet Being a busfan aside, for a realistic fleet I think I would start getting NF DE40/60LFRs, D40/60LFRs or Xcelsiors to have ease of maintenance and to "modernize" and also put an end to the bus shuffling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dann Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 I would lean more towards a patch job. Meaning buying used equipment from other agencies. Sorry but theres now way on earth I would deny or resist a 5307 back in my fleet! I would buy west coast equipment where the buses are in much better shape such as Los Angeles RTS and New Flyer D40HF. San Diego, buy some NF D60HF and Gillig Phantoms. San Fran, NF D40s and 60s. Utah, I would pick up some MCI Classics from UTA. New York City, pick up some more RTSs and some Orions. Notice, Im a west coast bus fan! I imagine that buses from West coast agencies have high mileage on them; they have to cover longer routes than Chicago or NYC buses to make up for the lack of comprehensive rapid transit routes . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dann Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Okay, the Nabi 60' are built poor, the compobus was short lived. You run Cta for a day. What would you buy. I am not a low floor fan. I think we whould look at MCI's DL4505's. High floor, Lifts, and heavy duty suspension. Hey, if they could last NY/NJ transits, they'll last here, P.S. No bring backs.. cause we all know NewLook 5307's were the best... If the CTA must have artics, they should ask NYC's MTA about their artics....they look like the high-floor variety. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyerD40LFR9710 Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 If the CTA must have artics, they should ask NYC's MTA about their artics....they look like the high-floor variety. Don't bother. MTA had a little legal issue with New Flyer on their would be 2005+ order of D60HFs. Since New Flyer ended production of it high floor line a few years back (and with NYC still under contract for the buses), it turned a little nasty. NYC is looking toward NovaBus for a possible artic order (low floors of course). To be honest, CTA should probably look at the 60BRT model to see it if suits them or the LFS artic. Then again, there is the DE60LF, DE62LFA (BRT model). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rideonrulez Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 I think New Flyer would be my take though CTA has enough of them. But I would get the "restyled" version like WMATA's 6100's and have the back windows!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geneking7320 Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 I'm curious, nobody mentioned the Orion VII [with restyled front]. That would help provide some visual variety. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 NABI is the only "domestic" assembler that sells a high floor bus, so forget that.Since the Europeans have 10 more years experience with low floor buses than the U.S., get one of those. Last night on Channel 20, there were pictures of articulated buses in Poland that looked better than ours. I say that since Daimler owns Orion, manufacture a German bus (such as the Citaro on tour).If visual variety counted, we discussed 4 years ago that NF had the restyled bus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geneking7320 Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 NABI is the only "domestic" assembler that sells a high floor bus, so forget that.Since the Europeans have 10 more years experience with low floor buses than the U.S., get one of those. Last night on Channel 20, there were pictures of articulated buses in Poland that looked better than ours. I say that since Daimler owns Orion, manufacture a German bus (such as the Citaro on tour).If visual variety counted, we discussed 4 years ago that NF had the restyled bus. Hi Busjack; I should have been clearer about visual variety. I was also thinking about CTA operating buses from more than one manufacturer [and thus different looks]. I was born in the 50's so I remember seeing many different buses on CTA routes. Gene King Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Hi Busjack; I should have been clearer about visual variety. I was also thinking about CTA operating buses from more than one manufacturer [and thus different looks]. I was born in the 50's so I remember seeing many different buses on CTA routes. Gene King You must be going back to the era of cta5555's posts with Fords and Whites, etc., and 3 or 4 types of trolley buses. By the time I got into town, there were the Marmons, but 90% of what was left were Twin Coaches/Flxibles. BTW, I was going to go back to my recommendation of a Nova LFX (certainly different looking than a flat faced New Flyer) until the research indicated that it had the same joint as a NABI. At least once can say that a Nova looks different, especially with the new headlights and rear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 BTW, this Daimler press release says that the Citaro was tested in Chicago. Anyone know about that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcmetro Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 CTA will probably get more DE60LF's. Although a Nova LFS Artic wouldn't be out of the question, NYC and Montreal have already ordered them. Maybe Van Hool AG300's but that is unlikely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sw4400 Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 CTA will probably get more DE60LF's. Although a Nova LFS Artic wouldn't be out of the question, NYC and Montreal have already ordered them. Maybe Van Hool AG300's but that is unlikely. With NOVA not yet on U.S soil again, how can NY get them? I thought the "Buy American" act would tie transit companies' hands on foreign(i.e NOVA for the moment) products? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted February 24, 2009 Report Share Posted February 24, 2009 With NOVA not yet on U.S soil again, how can NY get them? I thought the "Buy American" act would tie transit companies' hands on foreign(i.e NOVA for the moment) products?I think that saying that NY already ordered them is premature, as such is not indicated on the NovaBus site. Wikipedia only has that one was demoed (and apparently also an ElDorado National). According to that site, apparently NY MTA bit on a couple of DesignLine buses. However, NovaBus must have had some reason to build a plant in Plattsburgh, N.Y., which would take care of the Buy America problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dre_cta6221 Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 WELL I THINK THAT CTA SHOULD STICK TO 1 MFR. THEY HAVE BEEN DOING PRETTY GOOD WITH NEW FLYER. SO THEY SHOULD REPLACE THOSE 200+ NABI'S WITH NEW FLYER ARTICS (THEY LOOK BETTER ANYWAY). BUT ANOTHER OPINION OF MINES IS TO 'IF POSSIBLE THESE DAYS', GET BACK INTO FLXIBLES AGAIN. BUT THATS JUST MY OPINION. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksone44 Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 WELL I THINK THAT CTA SHOULD STICK TO 1 MFR. THEY HAVE BEEN DOING PRETTY GOOD WITH NEW FLYER. SO THEY SHOULD REPLACE THOSE 200+ NABI'S WITH NEW FLYER ARTICS (THEY LOOK BETTER ANYWAY). BUT ANOTHER OPINION OF MINES IS TO 'IF POSSIBLE THESE DAYS', GET BACK INTO FLXIBLES AGAIN. BUT THATS JUST MY OPINION. I agree on one manufacturer because it contains costs and creates consistency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainman8119 Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 Now, what would you have done had the CTA had that attitude when they bought the NABI's. What would you do now with 1000 white elephants. Always a good idea to diversify when you can !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artthouwill Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 I agree on one manufacturer because it contains costs and creates consistency. Suppose NABI was the exclusive supplier and a major defect was found on its buses. Then what? Do you pull the entire fleet off the street? I believe 2 manufacturers minimum should be used in such a large fleet. Having one exclusive provider does not mean they will be the low bidder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetroShadow Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 I'm curious, nobody mentioned the Orion VII [with restyled front]. That would help provide some visual variety. Seconded. I still don't understand why we never got any Orion's in the past 20 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted February 25, 2009 Report Share Posted February 25, 2009 Seconded. I still don't understand why we never got any Orion's in the past 20 years.In the first 10, apparently Orion was not considered a heavy duty bus. That changed when NYC realized that the RTS probably was going to be phased out, and put an Orion V through its testing program, which it passed. Other than that, the question is who bid on the order for 1050 in 2003 and when readvertised in 2004. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busfan4022 Posted February 26, 2009 Report Share Posted February 26, 2009 Nova artics. 'nuff said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwantae Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 Here are my picks: -More Nova LFs 40/60 footers -VanHool AN330 -Mellinium RTS or RTS LFs( that Boston MBTA was suppose to get). -Orion V or VII Generation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MT0851 Posted February 27, 2009 Report Share Posted February 27, 2009 I'm curious, nobody mentioned the Orion VII [with restyled front]. That would help provide some visual variety. You guys are better off with D40LF/Rs than VIIs, the newest VIIs in Toronto have been nightmares as of late. They've been so unreliable they're causing fleet shortages for the TTC. Nova artics. 'nuff said Is it really a good idea to buy an unproven model, especially one that comes with the same joint as found in your 60-LFWs. I would just keep gettin New Flyer buses, if looks are so important than get the Restyled versions with frameless windows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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