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The original plan was to keep 4-6 old Highliners for work service. However, with the federal insistence on PTC, they scrapped

the idea because it would have been too costly to outfit the cars with the equipment (or so they say). I don't think there is a "plan"

for the old stuff. They can't sell them due to asbestos, but they haven't seemed to figure that out yet. They probably should

have been junked by now, but they just seem to hang around.

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9 hours ago, richii0909 said:

Wow I had no idea they had asbestos.... sad they couldn't use them

Also rusted hulks. They were the last acquired cars that weren't stainless steel (discounting reacquired C&NW cars).

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On 5/24/2018 at 5:19 PM, Pace831 said:

The Highliners that had been on the Rondout siding for a while are now gone, not sure to where.

I’ve seen some on a siding on rock island mail line I believe and more in libertyville siding

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Just got back from IRM... was hoping to catch a ride on the old highliners... they had them parked in siding ugh lol. Anyways I asked if they have ever ran them.. he says that old highliners and Southshore cars are slow as dogs due to the them running on 1500 vs 600 at IRM. But one interesting thing is there are several youtube videos of them running by the depots and mainlines at IRM but at certain points the pantographs will just go down. I didn't understand why this happened, but strange thing is the car still had its headlamps running and the car appeared to be moving with no slow down.

 

 

 

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On ‎5‎/‎25‎/‎2018 at 6:04 PM, richii0909 said:

I’ve seen some on a siding on rock island mail line I believe and more in libertyville siding

All but 6 were moved to the yard in Bensenville behind some wall by the airport I am not familiar with. There are 6 eyesores sitting in the yard at Western Avenue.

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On ‎5‎/‎27‎/‎2018 at 11:29 PM, richii0909 said:

Just got back from IRM... was hoping to catch a ride on the old highliners... they had them parked in siding ugh lol. Anyways I asked if they have ever ran them.. he says that old highliners and Southshore cars are slow as dogs due to the them running on 1500 vs 600 at IRM. But one interesting thing is there are several youtube videos of them running by the depots and mainlines at IRM but at certain points the pantographs will just go down. I didn't understand why this happened, but strange thing is the car still had its headlamps running and the car appeared to be moving with no slow down.

 

 

 

If a pantograph goes down in a car it may still have power in it if it is trainlined to another car with power. All it takes is flipping up a breaker switch in the electrical cabinet.

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31 minutes ago, trainman8119 said:

If a pantograph goes down in a car it may still have power in it if it is trainlined to another car with power. All it takes is flipping up a breaker switch in the electrical cabinet.

Thanks for that

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1 hour ago, trainman8119 said:

If a pantograph goes down in a car it may still have power in it if it is trainlined to another car with power. All it takes is flipping up a breaker switch in the electrical cabinet.

Second part of video (after :34) didn't seem to show either pantograph up.

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58 minutes ago, Busjack said:

Second part of video (after :34) didn't seem to show either pantograph up.

it looks like they dropped the pans when going by the car house for some reason and that they are coasting. If you look at both sides, there is no headlight illuminated, so there is probably no power.

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On ‎5‎/‎27‎/‎2018 at 11:29 PM, richii0909 said:

Just got back from IRM... was hoping to catch a ride on the old highliners... they had them parked in siding ugh lol. Anyways I asked if they have ever ran them.. he says that old highliners and Southshore cars are slow as dogs due to the them running on 1500 vs 600 at IRM. But one interesting thing is there are several youtube videos of them running by the depots and mainlines at IRM but at certain points the pantographs will just go down. I didn't understand why this happened, but strange thing is the car still had its headlamps running and the car appeared to be moving with no slow down.

 

The Highliners are on display in Yard 5.  As I wrote in the PM to you, we aren't running pantograph equipment at the moment until the wire is in better shape, which is happening slowly.  Most of the work doesn't involve the wire per se, but instead the line poles, which tend to lean and move in the soft ground, which pulls the wire out of alignment.

I was the engineer on the Highliners on the one day they ran back in 2016 (two short demonstration trips on Member's Weekend).  Our trolley frogs do not have pan jumps on them yet, so I must drop the pans when running under them.  They don't go down on their own; I flip a switch in the cab.  

The cars receive their propulsion power from the overhead wire, of course, so if the pan is down on any given car, the car can't take power.  But the cars are fairly heavy and coast well, so it isn't a big deal to get through a frog area on the fly.  There's no trainlining of propulsion power between cars.

The cars each have their own battery for things like the headlight and the propulsion controls.  Even when the pan is down, the headlight will stay lit.  The battery trainline breaker that trainman8119 refers to does what it says; it doesn't trainline propulsion power.  I didn't have it turned on, and in normal conditions it would stay off.

But why isn't the headlight lit when I go westbound?  Simple reason.  Toward the end of the last trip, the batteries were getting low, so I didn't turn the headlight on when I changed ends.  They are not required by our operating rules during daylight hours.  The video of my westbound run started just after I had dropped the pans for the east station switch frog, and ended just before I put them back up to accelerate west.

Note that in my PM, I didn't say that South Shore cars are particularly slow, just the Highliners.  The South Shore cars have manual acceleration and you can wind them up as fast as you want.  East Troy does it all the time and a casual visitor would have no idea the cars are operating any way other than they were designed to.  The camshaft controller on the Highliners, although similar to those on CTA High Performance Family cars, notches up super-slow, and when you put it in Power, you just have to sit and wait for it to get into a point that actually starts to move along.

Richard

 

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14 hours ago, r-schauer said:

The Highliners are on display in Yard 5.  As I wrote in the PM to you, we aren't running pantograph equipment at the moment until the wire is in better shape, which is happening slowly.  Most of the work doesn't involve the wire per se, but instead the line poles, which tend to lean and move in the soft ground, which pulls the wire out of alignment.

I was the engineer on the Highliners on the one day they ran back in 2016 (two short demonstration trips on Member's Weekend).  Our trolley frogs do not have pan jumps on them yet, so I must drop the pans when running under them.  They don't go down on their own; I flip a switch in the cab.  

The cars receive their propulsion power from the overhead wire, of course, so if the pan is down on any given car, the car can't take power.  But the cars are fairly heavy and coast well, so it isn't a big deal to get through a frog area on the fly.  There's no trainlining of propulsion power between cars.

The cars each have their own battery for things like the headlight and the propulsion controls.  Even when the pan is down, the headlight will stay lit.  The battery trainline breaker that trainman8119 refers to does what it says; it doesn't trainline propulsion power.  I didn't have it turned on, and in normal conditions it would stay off.

But why isn't the headlight lit when I go westbound?  Simple reason.  Toward the end of the last trip, the batteries were getting low, so I didn't turn the headlight on when I changed ends.  They are not required by our operating rules during daylight hours.  The video of my westbound run started just after I had dropped the pans for the east station switch frog, and ended just before I put them back up to accelerate west.

Note that in my PM, I didn't say that South Shore cars are particularly slow, just the Highliners.  The South Shore cars have manual acceleration and you can wind them up as fast as you want.  East Troy does it all the time and a casual visitor would have no idea the cars are operating any way other than they were designed to.  The camshaft controller on the Highliners, although similar to those on CTA High Performance Family cars, notches up super-slow, and when you put it in Power, you just have to sit and wait for it to get into a point that actually starts to move along.

Richard

 

 

Thanks Richard for all the detailed information you really gave me a good idea about the situation. When I was referring to the SouthShore equipment it was information that I received from motor man on CTA 4391 street car... I had asked him before I found you on here. I was going to stop by today but got sidetracked with other things. Keep me in the loop on any updates on the highliners.. drop me a PM

 

Take Care,

 

Rich

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