7900-series Nova LFS - Updates

[jajuan]

Time will tell which garages after 77th will get 7900s. FG in particular will get something else in the next few weeks and/or months to come since it's fairly certain that most if not all of the 6400s will be retired and sent to the scrapper during the current acquisition of a new bus model. So all the griping that FG is some wayward stepchild as has been stated several times over is still quite premature. Sheesh.

UPDATE: edited to correct a mistype on my part that led to my words being taken differently than intended by a member already sensitive on the subject though others may have caught the actual thought the overall context meant to convey

Edited September 21, 2014 by jajuan

[BusHunter]

Time will tell which garages after 77th will get 7900s. FG in particular will get something else in the next few weeks and/or months to come since it's fairly certain that most if not all of the 6400s will be retired and sent to the scrapper during the current acquisition of a new bus model. So all the griping that FG is some wayward stepchild as has been stated several times over is still quite immature. Sheesh.

It doesn't seem to make sense from a safety standpoint to send tank sneeze guard shield #7900's to FG as it's probably the safest of the garages. For me it depends on where are all the operator attack reports. If 77th is really that bad then they should get all the #7900's. But still another garage should have an opportunity to get some.

[Busjack]

It doesn't seem to make sense from a safety standpoint to send tank sneeze guard shield #7900's to FG as it's probably the safest of the garages. For me it depends on where are all the operator attack reports. If 77th is really that bad then they should get all the #7900's. But still another garage should have an opportunity to get some.

If there that much worry about communicable diseases, part of the rehab should have been changing the guards. If some garage always gets new buses because they are going to be shot up, there is certainly something wrong there.

Anyway, the 2 murders seem to have been on 103rd routes (71 and 103).

As jujuan and I indicated, 77 is going to have to give up 100 or so of something, and pretty soon 100 or so of the 6400s are going to be scrapped.

[BusHunter]

If there that much worry about communicable diseases, part of the rehab should have been changing the guards. If some garage always gets new buses because they are going to be shot up, there is certainly something wrong there.

Anyway, the 2 murders seem to have been on 103rd routes (71 and 103).

As jujuan and I indicated, 77 is going to have to give up 100 or so of something, and pretty soon 100 or so of the 6400s are going to be scrapped.

Yeah but those 2 murders were not attacks on operators. Really it's random and can't be predicted to happen just at 77th. But CTA again seems to be stuck on consolidation. Again why waste new equipment in the yard 80 percent of the time and put basically junk at the one or two garages or yards that don't rank? I swear FG needs it's own wrecker if that's the case.

[Guest]

Time will tell which garages after 77th will get 7900s. FG in particular will get something else in the next few weeks and/or months to come since it's fairly certain that most if not all of the 6400s will be retired and sent to the scrapper during the current acquisition of a new bus model. So all the griping that FG is some wayward stepchild as has been stated several times over is still quite immature. Sheesh.

Hey Jajuan, theres no need to make personal attacks calling someone immature. Show a little respect please! If you don't like someones opinion then don't waste your time responding to it!

[jajuan]

Hey Jajuan, theres no need to make personal attacks calling someone immature. Show a little respect please! If you don't like someones opinion then don't waste your time responding to it!

One it was a mistype since I meant to type premature and not immature as my thoughts sometimes move much faster than my already fast fingers on a keyboard along with my making that post after what was a long day at work. Secondly how do you know I'm specifically speaking of you? I could be speaking of the thought in general. So let's not look for beefs and personal battles where there aren't any. Eh? Or are you going to compound what you perceived as bad behavior from me and stemming from my admitted typographical error with bad behavior of your own?

[garmon757]

Shots of #7940, #7971, #7981, #7990, and #7991.

[sw4400]

Shots of #7940, #7971, #7981, #7990, and #7991.

As always, garmon, much appreciation for all you do... this is my roster for what is in my Out Of Service section(also used in this case for not yet placed in service)

7940,7952,7968,7971,7981,7983,7984,7987,7990,7991(10 total yet to enter service)

[garmon757]

As always, garmon, much appreciation for all you do... this is my roster for what is in my Out Of Service section(also used in this case for not yet placed in service)

7940,7952,7968,7971,7981,7983,7984,7987,7990,7991(10 total yet to enter service)

I think #7968 is delayed for service.

[jajuan]

If there that much worry about communicable diseases, part of the rehab should have been changing the guards. If some garage always gets new buses because they are going to be shot up, there is certainly something wrong there.

Anyway, the 2 murders seem to have been on 103rd routes (71 and 103).

As jujuan and I indicated, 77 is going to have to give up 100 or so of something, and pretty soon 100 or so of the 6400s are going to be scrapped.

Yeah but those 2 murders were not attacks on operators. Really it's random and can't be predicted to happen just at 77th. But CTA again seems to be stuck on consolidation. Again why waste new equipment in the yard 80 percent of the time and put basically junk at the one or two garages or yards that don't rank? I swear FG needs it's own wrecker if that's the case.

I think the overall point probably being made is don't let these newer guards on the 7900s be a large part of what you think CTA's thinking is when assigning them after they get delivered. Besides I'd doubt operators on 78 or 81 would be unappreciative given the crime concerns of Uptown or the operators on 85 or 91 for that matter driving through Austin if one were to pat attention to operator safety. Either way BusHunter, your counterpoint should soon start becoming moot since something has to start coming back out of 77th now that deliveries should soon be getting close to 100 as evidenced by 7980s and 7990s being here and soon ready for service. The question now is where 6400s start retiring because current service levels still say close to 100 Novas out of the 6400s are no longer needed.

[sw4400]

I think the overall point probably being made is don't let these newer guards on the 7900s be a large part of what you think CTA's thinking is when assigning them after they get delivered. Besides I'd doubt operators on 78 or 81 would be unappreciative given the crime concerns of Uptown or the operators on 85 or 91 for that matter driving through Austin if one were to pat attention to operator safety. Either way BusHunter, your counterpoint should soon start becoming moot since something has to start coming back out of 77th now that deliveries should soon be getting close to 100 as evidenced by 7980s and 7990s being here and soon ready for service. The question now is where 6400s start retiring because current service levels still say close to 100 Novas out of the 6400s are no longer needed.

Seeing 7980's and 7990's here doesn't mean 100 Novas are built and sitting at Plattsburgh awaiting to be driven to Chicago in a random order. For some reason, and this still puzzles me, these buses might be built out of numerical order(all these buses arriving here in Chicago and 7902 & 7903 are still absent for example). I think we don't even have 50 buses put together between here and Plattsburgh yet.

[ArcherRider]

7968 is on # 2 this afternoon.

[jajuan]

Seeing 7980's and 7990's here doesn't mean 100 Novas are built and sitting at Plattsburgh awaiting to be driven to Chicago in a random order. For some reason, and this still puzzles me, these buses might be built out of numerical order(all these buses arriving here in Chicago and 7902 & 7903 are still absent for example). I think we don't even have 50 buses put together between here and Plattsburgh yet.

Read more closely dude before rushing to correct. Did I say exactly 100 buses are here or constructed right now? I said we should be approaching close to 100 buses sometime in the near future (as in we're not yet there in the present tense) now that deliveries are getting back on pace and getting here pretty regularly compared to that point when you were up in arms about buses getting here too slowly.

[BusHunter]

Read more closely dude before rushing to correct. Did I say exactly 100 buses are here or constructed right now? I said we should be approaching close to 100 buses sometime in the near future (as in we're not yet there in the present tense) now that deliveries are getting back on pace and getting here pretty regularly compared to that point when you were up in arms about buses getting here too slowly.

I think they are built and sitting in Plattsburg. Deliveries should be up to the #8033-55 range and we are not far from that in the mid #7990's. All manufacturers are usually 40-50 buses ahead in the manufacture as they have to test the buses themselves before they can release them to a customer especially mid order. The reason for the buses being out of order is most likely that they have to fix what CTA didn't like in the first ones. Most likely the higher ones are being built exactly as desired and can just test and be gone. I've seen pictures of Plattsburg with SEPTA buses sitting idle waiting for release as kinks get worked out. Most likely higher in the order buses will be numerical as the defects or undesired aspects get fixed in the lowest ones.

[Mr.cta85]

I saw 7901 today getting on the expressway at 95th. A dead head back to 77th could've been a 3 or a 4.

[andrethebusman]

I think they are built and sitting in Plattsburg. Deliveries should be up to the #8033-55 range and we are not far from that in the mid #7990's. All manufacturers are usually 40-50 buses ahead in the manufacture as they have to test the buses themselves before they can release them to a customer especially mid order. The reason for the buses being out of order is most likely that they have to fix what CTA didn't like in the first ones. Most likely the higher ones are being built exactly as desired and can just test and be gone. I've seen pictures of Plattsburg with SEPTA buses sitting idle waiting for release as kinks get worked out. Most likely higher in the order buses will be numerical as the defects or undesired aspects get fixed in the lowest ones.

Usually buses are indeed built in numerical order. Sometimes there are oddities, such as PAT in Pittsburgh which has builder number them one for each garage, then another for each garage, etc so in serial number order you get 8000,8005,8010,8015,8020,8001,8006,8011,8016,8021, etc. but CTA has never really indulged in those games. Only CTA's not in serial order were the 3730-3875 Flxibles. So, yes, you can be pretty sure there are over 100 7900's in existence already,

[andrethebusman]

7968 added to active 9/23

[garmon757]

#7944 is present and #7987 was being checked out by Prevost Mobile. I could've got of the bus to check them out but I'm in too much pain right now.

[Busjack]

Usually buses are indeed built in numerical order. Sometimes there are oddities, such as PAT in Pittsburgh which has builder number them one for each garage, then another for each garage, etc so in serial number order you get 8000,8005,8010,8015,8020,8001,8006,8011,8016,8021, etc. but CTA has never really indulged in those games. Only CTA's not in serial order were the 3730-3875 Flxibles. So, yes, you can be pretty sure there are over 100 7900's in existence already,

I don't know how the shells were handled, but clearly the CTA 6400s and 7500s hit the street out of order.

[sw4400]

This out of order setup might throw a monkey wrench into CTA's plan(if they have one) of 100 to one garage, 100 to another and the final 100 to a third garage. With the possibility of 8000's showing up in the next few weeks with the out of order delivery, they'll be sent to 77th, which is a garage that they were not meant for if the 100-100-100 plan holds true. Yes, they can ship them to their designated home garage after the fact, but in the meanwhile, they've had mileage put on them from 77th and if an incident occurs while in service(like a major accident for example) while down there, the other garage expected to get 8000-8099 is minus those buses awaiting repairs(unless they are severely damaged in the frames or something resulting in extremely early retirement, which has happened when a 1000-Series Fishbowl caught fire in the early/mid-70's. CTA didn't get a replacement from GM for that bus). For example, 4323 has been at South Shops since the dump truck accident with nothing happening with it... it might just be a hold and eventual write-off from the roster.

Not saying that will happen, but you never know... like they say, accidents happen.

[Busjack]

This out of order setup might throw a monkey wrench into CTA's plan(if they have one) of 100 to one garage, 100 to another and the final 100 to a third garage. With the possibility of 8000's showing up in the next few weeks with the out of order delivery, they'll be sent to 77th, which is a garage that they were not meant for if the 100-100-100 plan holds true. Yes, they can ship them to their designated home garage after the fact...

Like I have said numerous times before, this sure didn't bother CTA with respect to either the 6400s or 7500s. So, why does anyone think this is any different? And why do we have a "More Bus Moves" thread if adjustments are not possible? Did it make any difference that 6832 was wrecked on Milwaukee Ave. instead of 79th St.?

[BusHunter]

#7944 is present and #7987 was being checked out by Prevost Mobile. I could've got of the bus to check them out but I'm in too much pain right now.

Have you ever seen #7952 personally Garmon? I'm starting to wonder if #7962 has been mistaken for #7952 because both were delivered around the same time.

[BusHunter]

Like I have said numerous times before, this sure didn't bother CTA with respect to either the 6400s or 7500s. So, why does anyone think this is any different? And why do we have a "More Bus Moves" thread if adjustments are not possible? Did it make any difference that 6832 was wrecked on Milwaukee Ave. instead of 79th St.?

Yeah, I would wonder what was up with the #6540's deliveries not far behind the #6400's but I think I remember that order was late too. They were supposed to get 150 buses a year then to stretch out the age of the fleet and what happened was the first ones arrived 12/5/00 when they should have had the 150 for the 2000 year. So it would then make sense if #6545 for instance shows up early 2001, which it did. It would be interesting to find out if #6400 - #6549 are indeed 2000 models. I know the first ones were. Now the #6710's showed up in 3/02 and they were 2002 models. So it might be reasonable to say they were starting to building those from 1/02 - 3/02 unless they were build old models in the next calender year.

[garmon757]

Have you ever seen #7952 personally Garmon? I'm starting to wonder if #7962 has been mistaken for #7952 because both were delivered around the same time.

Ooooo man that's a good question since you brought it up! I totally forgot about that!

[jajuan]

Like I have said numerous times before, this sure didn't bother CTA with respect to either the 6400s or 7500s. So, why does anyone think this is any different? And why do we have a "More Bus Moves" thread if adjustments are not possible? Did it make any difference that 6832 was wrecked on Milwaukee Ave. instead of 79th St.?

Another example of your point is that a number of the amber signed 6400s were originally assigned to Chicago Garage when they first got here and moved to FG when the last bunch that were delayed finally started getting here and pushed the Americanas filling the gap at FG after the 9800s' retirement up to NP.