Busjack Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 ... What I believe is more likely is that once 77th reaches X amount of Novas, the first ones shipped in will be given to other garages while 77th keeps getting the newest ones. Obviously in that scenario, all of the buses were assigned to 77thm but not all of them would have stayed at 77th..... I suppose there is precedent for that in that it was reported that the first 4400s went to 77th, but eventually they went to NP. Still can't figure out why 77 can boss the others around. In any event, we'll know within a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sw4400 Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 I finally got to see my first 7900 in person(I didn't ride it as I was at my destination, and it wasn't on the route I was taking), but I did get a picture of it... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 While I suppose anything Is possible, I won't buy the idea that 77th will get all 300 new Novas. 1. Election season: Rahm wants to be mayor, There would be a lot of people crying all over the south side, west side, and NW side about one garage getting all new equipment. Rehabbed buses are still old. If the mayor wants his job for 4 more years, this won't happen. 2. History. All of the garages that have been assigned one series of buses usually have gotten OLD equipment. The only garage I can recall getting ALL of one order of NEW buses would be NP when it got the 5800s. There were only 65 of those. Yes Kedzie got all of the 800s and 900s and 700s, but there were only 10.10. and 2 buses respectively. You are talking about 300 buses here. What I believe is more likely is that once 77th reaches X amount of Novas, the first ones shipped in will be given to other garages while 77th keeps getting the newest ones. Obviously in that scenario, all of the buses were assigned to 77thm but not all of them would have stayed at 77th.. What happens if/when CTA decides to exercise an option for an additional 150 Novas? meanwhile I still believe a 4 garage split of 75 buses or a 3 garage split of 100 buses are the most likely outcomes, even if CTA brass is considering a one fleet assignment for 77th. Well they can't get all 300 buses as 77th garage has only a fleet of 284, so somewhere CTA has to tip it's hand and show us the second garage, but if there worried about consolidation they could do two complete garage fleets out of 450. Like i was saying before with playing with the different routes, as people talking with CTA85 asserts, that if they want to have new buses for 95th/dan ryan red line terminal, they could let 77th do more feeders out of 95th and let 103rd do more mainlines like #3 or #4. The garages on the south side are a bit imbalanced anyway with 103rd having a low garage total and 77th one of the highest. If those buses pull in via 95/dan ryan anyway what's the difference in going to 77th versus 103rd? Now if they did make 77th all #7900's, then a north side garage would have to get an even stake of the pie or everyone on the north side, me included probably, is just going to flip out. So it's got to be Fg for the second garage, what other possibility is there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 Well they can't get all 300 buses as 77th garage has only a fleet of 284, so somewhere CTA has to tip it's hand and show us the second garage, but if there worried about consolidation they could do two complete garage fleets out of 450. Like i was saying before with playing with the different routes, as people talking with CTA85 asserts, that if they want to have new buses for 95th/dan ryan red line terminal, they could let 77th do more feeders out of 95th and let 103rd do more mainlines like #3 or #4. The garages on the south side are a bit imbalanced anyway with 103rd having a low garage total and 77th one of the highest. If those buses pull in via 95/dan ryan anyway what's the difference in going to 77th versus 103rd? Now if they did make 77th all #7900's, then a north side garage would have to get an even stake of the pie or everyone on the north side, me included probably, is just going to flip out. So it's got to be Fg for the second garage, what other possibility is there? Well this is what I heard and was told from two CTA higher ups!!! I guess well just have to wait and see!. FG will just phase out the old Novas. If they get 7900s, my guess it most likely wont happen until the last Novas are gone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 Well this is what I heard and was told from two CTA higher ups!!! I guess well just have to wait and see!. FG will just phase out the old Novas. If they get 7900s, my guess it most likely wont happen until the last Novas are gone! Like BusHunter pointed out, (and I did earlier), the numbers don't add up, unless they are going to do something like close 74 Garage. The other question is that unless FG is shrinking (but then why would they buy land on either side of it) with what are they going to replace existing Novas, "until the last Novas are gone?" Again, according to the home page link, it will have to get 257 buses from somewhere. Similarly, 74th is going to have to get 136 buses somewhere to replace its Novas, 32 of which were 77th junk foisted onto 74 (umbers through 6528).77 would have to transfer 135 more buses than it has. This report is not as egregious as the Facebook friend saying no Novas would be delivered before Oct. 2015, but I still think someone was not in a position to implement what they were saying, or were crapping you. But, as we all agree, we'll know within a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.cta85 Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 77th getting all 300 novas just dosent make sense to me. I seriously doubt that actually happening, heck that's crazy even for cta standards lol. 77th is going to have to share with the other garages such as FG espically as well as 74th and 103rd lol chicago don't need them anyway just give them more new flyers lol. But like you said we'll just have to wait and see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.cta85 Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 That idea of 103rd getting the 3 and 4 from 77th makes sense with the routes starting out at 95th and st Lawrence. That would be great if that happened and 77th can take back the 30 and 71 routes just to keep things balanced out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 That idea of 103rd getting the 3 and 4 from 77th makes sense with the routes starting out at 95th and st Lawrence. That would be great if that happened and 77th can take back the 30 and 71 routes just to keep things balanced out. That certainly doesn't balance it. Those routes have 4 or 8 buses each, while 3 and 4 have maybe 20 to 30 each. My calculation is that 77th would have to take over 55 and 63 and not give anything back (hence my comment about why not close down the newest garage)..If you want to substitute 103rd, 77th would have to take back 6 and 29 without giving anything back. Current counts on BusTracker (and the peak of the rush is over): 3: 18 buses 4: 21 buses 30: 6 buses 71: 8 buses. On the other hand, your comment about artics returning to 79th St. once the construction ends has a factual basis supporting it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sw4400 Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 I think we found a reason why the Nova Buses were delayed a bit after 7900 arrived.... Article Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 I think we found a reason why the Nova Buses were delayed a bit after 7900 arrived.... Article They need to have a recall on those headlights!! Lol!! But that probably wasn't the only things, these buses have a few problems. #7926 was only using the front door yesterday, she said the door was sticking. Most problems though seem to be adjustments. Maybe they are keeping them at 77th to keep an eye on them mechanically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 That certainly doesn't balance it. Those routes have 4 or 8 buses each, while 3 and 4 have maybe 20 to 30 each. My calculation is that 77th would have to take over 55 and 63 and not give anything back (hence my comment about why not close down the newest garage)..If you want to substitute 103rd, 77th would have to take back 6 and 29 without giving anything back. Current counts on BusTracker (and the peak of the rush is over): 3: 18 buses 4: 21 buses 30: 6 buses 71: 8 buses. On the other hand, your comment about artics returning to 79th St. once the construction ends has a factual basis supporting it. They could balance it. 103rd runs with about 40 less buses than 77th so giving them the #3 and #4 is 20 buses a route. They might need a few more but then 103rd would lose buses anyway if they swapped like #103, #100, #95E, #95W or maybe a few others at 95th. The point is they will have a new 95th terminal and new #7900 buses in it if that is there wish. I never did get why #29 went to 103rd and #3 and #4 didn't because they are east. Also if there is a operator safety issue maybe 77th needs all #7900's, plus the way they go through buses maybe they need the whole fleet new cause the buses that come out of 77th to places like Fg are in terrible condition I guess cause they are overworked. I think what we're hearing about Fg not getting nothing is because it is so far down the road like next summer before they could get something that it's not on the immediate plans. If FG has to fix the those broke down Novas I would get them at least a stable fleet to work with because like putting seats in #6471 is not going to make sense if it's gone next week. I would try to get the Chicago #6500's over there and fix on the #6800's that were at 77th. I know #6862's seats look bad and #6875's weren't looking too good yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garmon757 Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 Shots of #7959, #7975, and #7988. Also, #7935 is in service while deadheading downtown via Dan Ryan Expressway. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garmon757 Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 #7935 is on #1 right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 They could balance it. 103rd runs with about 40 less buses than 77th so giving them the #3 and #4 is 20 buses a route. ...The point is they will have a new 95th terminal and new #7900 buses in it if that is there wish. I never did get why #29 went to 103rd and #3 and #4 didn't because they are east. .... maybe they need the whole fleet new cause the buses that come out of 77th to places like Fg are in terrible condition .... My original point was for someone to come up with justification that if 77th needed all 300 buses, plus the artics Mr.CTA85 mentioned for 79, routes would have to be added to 77th rather than taken from it. As I mentioned before, the new 95th terminal won't be open until 2017. There was a certain mystery to moving garage assignments southward, especially 29 to 103rd when there was an obvious relief point at 79th and Lafayette/State. Similarly, I questioned moving 6 to 103rd when there was an obvious relief point at 79th and South Shore Dr. Be that as it may,a relief point at 95-State can be supported by the 106 bus; one at Chicago State University can't. If the theory is to give 77th all the new equipment so it can abuse it before it moves on, that's real good policy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garmon757 Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 #7941 is on #53A right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 Busjack quote "If the theory is to give 77th all the new equipment so it can abuse it before it moves on, that's real good policy" Bushunter response: The point in that is maybe with all new buses some can get a rest, but yes that's a dangerous proposition. They could wind up with a fleet of overworked buses with high miles if things are that bad. But probably some will leave there anyway after a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garmon757 Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 Busjack quote "If the theory is to give 77th all the new equipment so it can abuse it before it moves on, that's real good policy" Bushunter response: The point in that is maybe with all new buses some can get a rest, but yes that's a dangerous proposition. They could wind up with a fleet of overworked buses with high miles if things are that bad. But probably some will leave there anyway after a while. Speaking of high miles, I was on #7940 yesterday on #2 heading to school and I read the odometer and it's already over 1300 miles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 Speaking of high miles, I was on #7940 yesterday on #2 heading to school and I read the odometer and it's already over 1300 miles. Since the usual statement is that a bus is eligible for replacement at about 500,000 miles, it only has 498,700 to go. About 900 were put on it by delivery. See how the perspective changes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garmon757 Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 Since the usual statement is that a bus is eligible for replacement at about 500,000 miles, it only has 498,700 to go. About 900 were put on it by delivery. See how the perspective changes? Exactly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoungBusLover Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 I finally got my wish today. I rode #7971 on the #87 and it was great, the interior seating had me confused since I was so use to the #6400's but other than that riding #7971 was great. The bus reminds me of an #1800 because of its engine/transmission combo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 77th getting all 300 novas just dosent make sense to me. I seriously doubt that actually happening, heck that's crazy even for cta standards lol. 77th is going to have to share with the other garages such as FG espically as well as 74th and 103rd lol chicago don't need them anyway just give them more new flyers lol. But like you said we'll just have to wait and see.Ok then go tell that to the South Shops and the Kedzie maintenance bosses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 Speaking of high miles, I was on #7940 yesterday on #2 heading to school and I read the odometer and it's already over 1300 miles. 500, 000 miles is what can also be referred to as a full FTA service life. That's what the Milwaukee transit system says anyway. With the 483, 000 and some odd miles on #6814 then that bus has almost served it's purpose if going by miles. I hate to see what a #6400's is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajuan Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 While I suppose anything Is possible, I won't buy the idea that 77th will get all 300 new Novas. 1. Election season: Rahm wants to be mayor, There would be a lot of people crying all over the south side, west side, and NW side about one garage getting all new equipment. Rehabbed buses are still old. If the mayor wants his job for 4 more years, this won't happen. 2. History. All of the garages that have been assigned one series of buses usually have gotten OLD equipment. The only garage I can recall getting ALL of one order of NEW buses would be NP when it got the 5800s. There were only 65 of those. Yes Kedzie got all of the 800s and 900s and 700s, but there were only 10.10. and 2 buses respectively. You are talking about 300 buses here. What I believe is more likely is that once 77th reaches X amount of Novas, the first ones shipped in will be given to other garages while 77th keeps getting the newest ones. Obviously in that scenario, all of the buses were assigned to 77thm but not all of them would have stayed at 77th.. What happens if/when CTA decides to exercise an option for an additional 150 Novas? meanwhile I still believe a 4 garage split of 75 buses or a 3 garage split of 100 buses are the most likely outcomes, even if CTA brass is considering a one fleet assignment for 77th. Aye carumba I take a break from the forum for a couple days because of work and this thread turns into the garage rumor thread. Thanks for this display of reason because I also don't see 77th getting all 300 new Novas even if stacking FG with all 6400s being a dumb move created this mood around what FG might get or might not get that's hard to shake. All the points you laid out are valid reasons of why 77th getting all 300 of the base order makes no sense despite the position of the person who leaked this latest bit that's caused the latest freak out. I suppose there is precedent for that in that it was reported that the first 4400s went to 77th, but eventually they went to NP. Still can't figure out why 77 can boss the others around. In any event, we'll know within a year. I'm guessing 77th has a lot of influence due to the South Shops facility being on the same property as the garage and that maintenance facility's status as the main heavy maintenance facility for the entire bus fleet. But that doesn't explain the 1000s' prototype having been stored and prepped at Chicago Garage for Kruesi's Navy Pier news conference introducing the model to the media and city (1000 had run number 5997 in Kevin's pics on the bus page) and the series debutting in service at the now closed and demolished Archer Garage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 Aye carumba I take a break from the forum for a couple days because of work and this thread turns into the garage rumor thread. Thanks for this display of reason because I also don't see 77th getting all 300 new Novas even if stacking FG with all 6400s being a dumb move created this mood around what FG might get or might not get that's hard to shake. All the points you laid out are valid reasons of why 77th getting all 300 of the base order makes no sense despite the position of the person who leaked this latest bit that's caused the latest freak out. I'm guessing 77th has a lot of influence due to the South Shops facility being on the same property as the garage and that maintenance facility's status as the main heavy maintenance facility for the entire bus fleet. But that doesn't explain the 1000s' prototype having been stored and prepped at Chicago Garage for Kruesi's Navy Pier news conference introducing the model to the media and city (1000 had run number 5997 in Kevin's pics on the bus page) and the series debutting in service at the now closed and demolished Archer Garage.Nope! no "freak outs". Just trying to be a team player here. Sharing info that I was told, maybe some here might be interested that's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajuan Posted October 3, 2014 Report Share Posted October 3, 2014 Nope! no "freak outs". Just trying to be a team player here. Sharing info that I was told, maybe some here might be interested that's all. And again, why do you think anything was directed specifically and solely toward you? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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