BusHunter Posted July 16, 2011 Report Share Posted July 16, 2011 I saw those 4 cars as well. They've been at 54th/Cermak yard for a month and occasionally come out. I always pass that yard at night, so I cant make out the car numbers- except at one time it was 5009-5010 because of the cta logo. I just wonder why there's always 5000 series cars parked in that yard ever since they stopped testing them on the Purple Line. #5001-02 and #5009-10 is also at 54th/Cermak yard with what looks like #5007-08. Add that to the 8-10 at Skokie shops and we can account for at least 16 cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.cta85 Posted July 18, 2011 Report Share Posted July 18, 2011 With more 5000's coming in, how soon do you guys think they will be put in revenue service? Do they have to wait until all the cars are delivered or what's the proccess for these types of things?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted July 18, 2011 Report Share Posted July 18, 2011 With more 5000's coming in, how soon do you guys think they will be put in revenue service? Do they have to wait until all the cars are delivered or what's the proccess for these types of things?? If you are asking if all 706 (or 406) have to be delivered, no. According to old books on the L, they have to be inspected, although I don't think that the current shop crew has the expertise to inspect the complex equipment like they did the 6000s. The pairs also have to be coupled up. They also have to program you into them. I suppose that the operators have to be trained on them (c.f. earlier reports of them stopping short of the platforms, because they weren't used to the regenerative braking). Also, since the cars can't train with current equipment, you need enough to make up a couple of trains and spares. However, since Claypool needs the press opportunity of showing them off, it probably won't be long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 If you are asking if all 706 (or 406) have to be delivered, no. Looks like it's officially 706 now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted July 20, 2011 Report Share Posted July 20, 2011 Looks like it's officially 706 now. Let's hope that this isn't like New Flyer announcing that it got an order for 140 buses, production to start exactly two years ago. However, given prior press about this (unlike CTA never announcing anything about the 140 buses), I don't think so Looks like CTA will have to come up with 234 million euro.:lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 Let's hope that this isn't like New Flyer announcing that it got an order for 140 buses, production to start exactly two years ago. However, given prior press about this (unlike CTA never announcing anything about the 140 buses), I don't think so Looks like CTA will have to come up with 234 million euro. It's funny, IIRC, CTA already said they were getting 706 cars before. I guess Bombardier just found out. This has got to be the first time The CTA has ordered more or any equipment before the first (non prototype) vehicles hit revenue service. Hopefully the #2200's can make it a little longer. I was aboard #2265 the other day and it had a very loud whirling sound like some motor was dying or something also the train didn't seem to have the bounce it should've. It could have had suspension problems. I was wondering should I get off the train and wait for the next fearing my safety, but the AC was just too nice. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 #5014 spotted on the Lake Street line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted July 21, 2011 Report Share Posted July 21, 2011 This has got to be the first time The CTA has ordered more or any equipment before the first (non prototype) vehicles hit revenue service. Not really. They exercised the two options on the NABIs before getting any of the first order.* That turned out to be a mistake. In fact this order was the base of 206 and Option 1 for 200 exercised simultaneously. However, both were conditioned on passing testing. Maybe more related was that FoxChicagoNews teased a story about new L cars, with footage. However, instead of being about the 5000s already received, it was of the exercise of the option for the 300, but with footage of 3200s and 2600s. I guess they at least didn't resort to their usual practice of using footage of 1990s buses. _________ *Note that the Press Release on Mayor Daley Unveils already refers to 226 buses ordered as of Feb. 2003. Originally, it was supposed to be 79 (of 80), 75, and 75. See this contract awards page indicating the exercise of Option 2 on 6/5/2002. At least the L cars have been tested for over a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted July 23, 2011 Report Share Posted July 23, 2011 Not really. They exercised the two options on the NABIs before getting any of the first order.* That turned out to be a mistake. In fact this order was the base of 206 and Option 1 for 200 exercised simultaneously. However, both were conditioned on passing testing. Maybe more related was that FoxChicagoNews teased a story about new L cars, with footage. However, instead of being about the 5000s already received, it was of the exercise of the option for the 300, but with footage of 3200s and 2600s. I guess they at least didn't resort to their usual practice of using footage of 1990s buses. _________ *Note that the Press Release on Mayor Daley Unveils already refers to 226 buses ordered as of Feb. 2003. Originally, it was supposed to be 79 (of 80), 75, and 75. See this contract awards page indicating the exercise of Option 2 on 6/5/2002. At least the L cars have been tested for over a year. Seems like one of the major delays with the #5000's going in service has something to do with all the computer upgrades to it's software. We know how fast computer programs and computers themself become obsolete. Seems like they are spending alot of time on this. I just hope when they go in service we will not be stranded due to computer glitches. BTW, about a month ago I spotted #3243 with cameras aboard. So they seem to be putting in cameras at a slow pace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted July 23, 2011 Report Share Posted July 23, 2011 Seems like one of the major delays with the #5000's going in service has something to do with all the computer upgrades to it's software. We know how fast computer programs and computers themself become obsolete. Seems like they are spending alot of time on this. I just hope when they go in service we will not be stranded due to computer glitches. ... That could be. Oh, for the good old days of just cranking the Cineston. However, is there any explanation for 5003-5012 supposedly having to be carted back to Bombardier, since computer uploads can't be that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.cta85 Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 I know I asked this before about the 5000's but I just wanted to know that will the updated cars recieve the color LED signs or will they just keep the standard LED's they have on the protoypes? Just wondering that's all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted July 25, 2011 Report Share Posted July 25, 2011 That could be. Oh, for the good old days of just cranking the Cineston. However, is there any explanation for 5003-5012 supposedly having to be carted back to Bombardier, since computer uploads can't be that? I really haven't seen any evidence that those did go back to Bombardier. Those may have been updated in house. (unless it's happening on a really slow track) For example #5010-09 has been at 54th yard all month. That wouldn't support the LED signs being changed either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 A member on the Skyscraper Page Forum posted the following with regards to the 5000s: While I haven't heard of any final plans yet, one of the constraints with the 5000s is that apparently they're very finicky about having all their wheels balanced --- meaning that, at least in the near-term, upon delivery all the new cars should have easy access to a wheel truing machine (lathe) or operate on a line that doesn't rack up many car-miles per assigned railcar, on average. At the moment, I believe such wheel truing lathes are located only at Skokie Shops and 54th, with one being installed (or maybe recently installed, not sure) at Midway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 That's going to work real well with the rotten track work on the CTA. See today's CTA Tattler on Claypool now upping the repair job on the Dan Ryan branch to $400 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rl12383 Posted July 28, 2011 Report Share Posted July 28, 2011 Just saw a set of 4 5000's on the pink line near Roosevelt. Not sure if they were in service but looks like they still have the old LED signs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted July 28, 2011 Report Share Posted July 28, 2011 #5000's do seem to be rotating now at 54th. #5010-09 is now gone with 6 more cars there including #5014-13 and another in the teens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted July 28, 2011 Report Share Posted July 28, 2011 5013-5014 and 5021-5022 seen running towards the Loop on the Pink Line signed "Not in Service" and returning from the Loop signed as "54/Cermak" at least twice so far today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artthouwill Posted July 31, 2011 Report Share Posted July 31, 2011 5013-5014 and 5021-5022 seen running towards the Loop on the Pink Line signed "Not in Service" and returning from the Loop signed as "54/Cermak" at least twice so far today. I saw a four car consist of 5000s in service on the Pink Line today, but couldn't see the numbers on the cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.cta85 Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 Looks like the 5000's are making their way in now im going to miss the 2200's once they're gone but still I'm excited about the arrivals of the new cars which means the 2600's or even the 3200's will be moved around on other lines such as the Green Line lol good stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicagoNova Posted August 1, 2011 Report Share Posted August 1, 2011 Looks like the 5000's are making their way in now im going to miss the 2200's once they're gone but still I'm excited about the arrivals of the new cars which means the 2600's or even the 3200's will be moved around on other lines such as the Green Line lol good stuff. I'd sure love to see that happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geneking7320 Posted August 2, 2011 Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 Please refresh my memory... What lines are likely to get the 5000s and in what order? If CTA replaces the oldest cars straight up then I would guess Green, Purple, and Blue but it probably not that simple... Gene King Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted August 2, 2011 Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 I really haven't seen any evidence that those did go back to Bombardier. Those may have been updated in house. (unless it's happening on a really slow track) For example #5010-09 has been at 54th yard all month. That wouldn't support the LED signs being changed either. It seems the cars did go to Bombardier after all. Skokie shops now has single cars again outside the shop (2 cars) indicating an arrival or departure. A quick scan of the Skokie shop area reveals #5009-10 are missing. Those are presumed to be off the property. Looks like maybe they sent half the prototype 1 cars (#5003- #5012) and now there in the process of doing the second half. Maybe when those come back they can start the delivery unless they have to retru the wheels (which shouldn't be the case, being used previously.) Why do I get the feeling all new cars will come thru the Pink Line and broken in first then go to there long term assignment? If the wheels will all need to be balanced that may be a logical choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted August 2, 2011 Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 If the wheels will all need to be balanced that may be a logical choice. Maybe, but if this is a permanent condition (as opposed to something that can be corrected on the subsequent shipments), that's no way to run a railroad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitowndude84 Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 Oh wow computer problems and defective wheels !!,Can i say "NABI part 2" ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 Oh wow computer problems and defective wheels !!,Can i say "NABI part 2" ?? The difference is that it hasn't been stated yet whether the year of testing was completed satisfactorily and the notice to proceed was given, even though Bombardier disgorged another set of cars. On the other hand, it turned out that since the Seattle artics were dying, CTA "conditionally accepted" the NABIs, even though it knew or should have known that they did not pass required Altoona testing. However, if this turns out as you surmise, there sure is a lot of difference between having $110 million or so of defective buses, and maybe $1.1 Billion in rail cars, especially, as it appears, CTA would be "personally" responsible for paying off the bonds (as opposed to just blowing Illinois First or federal money). Thus, we hope that staff is exercising good judgment before giving the green light on proceeding. But, you are right, prior staff did not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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