garmon757 Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 #1430, #1450, and #1530 are rehabbed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wordguy Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 Historically, the vast majority of buses received the website decals when delivered new (beginning with the 1430s); likewise with the rehabs. But every once in a while a single bus or a small group have begun service without the decals. A number of 1930s (through 1970s) still have clean rooflines as do a handful of 4000s. At least one rehab, 1094, was released with the decal only on the right side. So the logos may be a reasonably good sign of a rehabbed bus, but they're not a 100% foolproof one. (The supply of decals may run out from time to time. But a bus seems to be operable without them). Frankly, I think they look much better without those logos, especially when they get partially covered by a large left-side partial wrap or an occasional roofline strip ad. It looks kind of tacky and unprofessional. Just my $0.02. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted February 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 Historically, the vast majority of buses received the website decals when delivered new (beginning with the 1430s); likewise with the rehabs. But every once in a while a single bus or a small group have begun service without the decals. A number of 1930s (through 1970s) still have clean rooflines as do a handful of 4000s. At least one rehab, 1094, was released with the decal only on the right side. So the logos may be a reasonably good sign of a rehabbed bus, but they're not a 100% foolproof one. (The supply of decals may run out from time to time. But a bus seems to be operable without them). Frankly, I think they look much better without those logos, especially when they get partially covered by a large left-side partial wrap or an occasional roofline strip ad. It looks kind of tacky and unprofessional. Just my $0.02. I got a real good look at #1018 on the #29 yesterday. It is rehabbed except for the LED lights. It has all the stickers, clever devices upgrade but is missing the transitchicago sticker on the roofline.as well as the seat inserts In fact I think there's nothing on the roofline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garmon757 Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 Just rode rehabbed #1552 on #49 this morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajuan Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 Historically, the vast majority of buses received the website decals when delivered new (beginning with the 1430s); likewise with the rehabs. But every once in a while a single bus or a small group have begun service without the decals. A number of 1930s (through 1970s) still have clean rooflines as do a handful of 4000s. At least one rehab, 1094, was released with the decal only on the right side. So the logos may be a reasonably good sign of a rehabbed bus, but they're not a 100% foolproof one. (The supply of decals may run out from time to time. But a bus seems to be operable without them). Frankly, I think they look much better without those logos, especially when they get partially covered by a large left-side partial wrap or an occasional roofline strip ad. It looks kind of tacky and unprofessional. Just my $0.02. And whenever I mentioned the decals I tried making it a point to stress that the decals only signified a possibility of a bus being rehabbed and that the it served a signal for me to pay closer attention to that particular bus for other clues each time I spot the bus especially if I didn't get a chance to ride the bus in question after first spotting the 'transtichicago.com' decal on it and it didn't fall within the 1930-2029 range. I never use the decal alone to determine a rehabbed. I wait until I actually see the interior as well before coming to a conclusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wordguy Posted February 14, 2014 Report Share Posted February 14, 2014 And I agree with you, Jajuan. The "transitchicago.com" decal (without the "www") on any unit numbered below 1930 is a reliable marker to alert someone to check for other evidence of a rehab. I only intended to suggest that in rare instances a rehabbed bus might not receive one or both decals. (As apparently happened with 1018 according to BusHunter). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted February 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 Saw #1961 with rehabbed lighting. Is that bus rehabbed? I thought Garmon said no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garmon757 Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 Saw #1961 with rehabbed lighting. Is that bus rehabbed? I thought Garmon said no. sw4400 stated that it was inconclusive about the lighting but since you saw it yourself then I'll consider the lights were replaced. However, it's not fully rehabbed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sw4400 Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 Saw #1961 with rehabbed lighting. Is that bus rehabbed? I thought Garmon said no. A lot of the blue LED New Flyers(1630-2029) are tiring out after several years of service and the fact that the blue LED's are not being ordered to replace burned out units. I was on 177X on #50 a few days back, and the bus is a mix-match of LED's. Blue LED's still prevalent throughout, but scattered within are lines of white LED's, replacing blue ones that no longer work. Tacky touchup job, but I know the rule... if it's not broke, don't fix it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajuan Posted February 15, 2014 Report Share Posted February 15, 2014 And I agree with you, Jajuan. The "transitchicago.com" decal (without the "www") on any unit numbered below 1930 is a reliable marker to alert someone to check for other evidence of a rehab. I only intended to suggest that in rare instances a rehabbed bus might not receive one or both decals. (As apparently happened with 1018 according to BusHunter). You're right on your point too. And to that point 1570 is rehabbed but still has its original 'www.transitchicago.com' decals, and 1141 is rehabbed but has neither website decal. Both are in service on the #9 today. What made me pay closer attention to 1141 was the sound of the motor as that bus pulled up. And that brings me to a point that I didn't realize until this afternoon that hasn't been brought up or realized by others on the forum. Next time anyone happens to board a rehabbed bus that's in the 1000-1429 range, listen closely to the bus's motor. From what I could hear in 1141, it sounds like they are in fact replacing the Cummins ISM's in 1000-1429 with ISM motors like those in 1430-1629. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nflyer22 Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 You're right on your point too. And to that point 1570 is rehabbed but still has its original 'www.transitchicago.com' decals, and 1141 is rehabbed but has neither website decal. Both are in service on the #9 today. What made me pay closer attention to 1141 was the sound of the motor as that bus pulled up. And that brings me to a point that I didn't realize until this afternoon that hasn't been brought up or realized by others on the forum. Next time anyone happens to board a rehabbed bus that's in the 1000-1429 range, listen closely to the bus's motor. From what I could hear in 1141, it sounds like they are in fact replacing the Cummins ISM's in 1000-1429 with ISM motors like those in 1430-1629. Thanks for bringing the different motor sounds up; I thought I was the only one who noticed it, but was afraid to bring false information to everyone. I rode 1088 on route 62 a couple times when I was back in the city, and like everyone else here, was on the lookout for rehabs. It did not have the new seat covers or updated website decals, but it did have the new Clever Devices unit and the roar of a Cummins ISM in the range of 1430-1629. There is a very noticeable difference between the sounds of the two series' engines, but I shrugged it off thinking I was hearing things. As for 1088, I cannot comment whether it now has received the full rehab since I last rode it in early January. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted February 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 Yeah, I think all the buses with the the updated clever devices have had the engine rehabbed. The light rehab is a different package/source. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajuan Posted February 17, 2014 Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 74th's 1156 is rehabbed. I couldn't tell if it had new lights inside since it was day time and I was on the outside. But if it did then the only thing missing was website decals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted February 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 17, 2014 #1221 is rehabbed on the #152. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garmon757 Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Well my my my! Welcome back rehabbed #1466!!! I've spotted it at Madison/Austin Terminal all wrapped up this morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted February 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 #1092 was rehabbed out on the #90 yesterday. That was one of the buses Garmin spotted at South Shops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garmon757 Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 #1092 was rehabbed out on the #90 yesterday. That was one of the buses Garmin spotted at South Shops. That's correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garmon757 Posted February 22, 2014 Report Share Posted February 22, 2014 Spotted rehabbed #1471 on #20 downtown last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted February 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 #1208 is rehabbed on the #124. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimball401 Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 Spotted rehabbed #1471 on #20 downtown last night. I'm on 1471 on the 72 run 5276 right now and it sounds like it got the engine for the 1630-2029 series but it rolls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garmon757 Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 I'm on 1471 on the 72 run 5276 right now and it sounds like it got the engine for the 1630-2029 series but it rolls It's still the Cummins ISM7 engine. I wouldn't think they put a Cummins ISL7 engine for those busses 1XXX < 1630. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garmon757 Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 I think that #1196 is rehabbed but I have to double check on that before I consider it official. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 It's still the Cummins ISM7 engine. I wouldn't think they put a Cummins ISL7 engine for those busses 1XXX < 1630. As I mentioned to someone yesterday, you would either have to download the specs (and there might still be a way to use Google to do that, even though they are not live on the Procurement page), or pop the engine door. There was a press release when the 5800s were rebuilt (for an apparently short life) that they got new EGR engines, but unless you do either, you don't know if they just overhauled engines, got rebuilt engines (as the Pace specs provided), or new ones.There would also be the question whether the smaller engines in those 1630 or after can haul around a supposedly heavier bus in the 1629 and under range. I have mentioned to the same person that I don't play "name that tune" on bus engines, so you are on your own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajuan Posted February 23, 2014 Report Share Posted February 23, 2014 I think there is a possibility 1325 out of NP is rehabbed. Spotted it near down on Lake Shore Drive yesterday operating on either 146 or 147. The 147 I was on was moving past too quickly to catch a clear view of the route number. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sw4400 Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 As I mentioned to someone yesterday, you would either have to download the specs (and there might still be a way to use Google to do that, even though they are not live on the Procurement page), or pop the engine door. There was a press release when the 5800s were rebuilt (for an apparently short life) that they got new EGR engines, but unless you do either, you don't know if they just overhauled engines, got rebuilt engines (as the Pace specs provided), or new ones.There would also be the question whether the smaller engines in those 1630 or after can haul around a supposedly heavier bus in the 1629 and under range. I have mentioned to the same person that I don't play "name that tune" on bus engines, so you are on your own. I was correct on the Nova LFS 6400's having Cummins ISC Engines, the New Flyer 5800's had Detroit Series-50, as did Flxible 6000-6304, Flxible 5300-5744 and 5766-5769 had Detroit 6V92TA, TMC RTS had Detroit 6V92. New Flyer had Cummins ISM(1000-1629) and Cummins ISL(1630-2029)... I have sources to find out, but won't reveal them to you... and I can determine engines, especially diesel engines by sound... I grew up around a diesel bus garage!!! I can tell you International School Buses from the late 80's through 2003-2004 use 7.3L Diesel Engines(now 6.4L(2005-2008/9 and 6.7L(2009-Present) Powerstroke Diesel Engines), Transit School Buses(Flatnose) with the engine in the interior by the driver are powered by a 5.9 Cummins Engine(late '80's-2006)6.7 Cummins(2007-Present). Small Ford E-Series School Buses are powered by the same 7.3L, 6.4 or 6.7L engine depending on year of bus. Chevy School Van Buses are powered by the 6.5L Duramax Diesel Engine(6.2L GM Diesel engine before the 6.5L was made in the '90's). So yeah, name that bus engine by sound I'm good at.... Now, from a mechanic's family, I can school you here and tell you rebuilt and overhauled engines are the exact same thing, just different wording(Google). This is where I know what I'm talking about, and am more expert at!!! Also, I'm not the only who knows these bus engines.... our Admin, Kevin, agrees with this so much his info page dissects the D40LF by engine... did you read it? Here's the link.... can you say both he and I are wrong??? You're more than welcome to debate it, but the proof is in the post(and info page)... By the way, the Nova LFS Smart Buses are equipped with the Cummins ISL9 engine. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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